Why is it so hard for the rich to get into Heaven?

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For the wealthy, it’s hard for them to enter into the kingdom of heaven? Why? Because it is that they see no need for God. Their possessions are what they find which comforts them. When people follow after Jesus and bear their own cross, there is suffering involved. Even so, when God is looked to, it is possible for the rich person to enter the kingdom. Why? They will have a renewed heart, being from a former state of being spiritually dead, they will be brought to new spiritual life in Christ. The point is it’s much hard to see a reason why, when a person is filled with the comforts of the world. Some say followers of Christ cannot be rich, or they must compulsively give to the poor. The truth is, that people who follow Christ can have wealth and still be spiritually wealthy, it’s all depending on the persons heart and where they are at within it which is the deciding factor. As they say, “to believe or not to believe” that one quote from William Shakespeare.


Will one follow after him? Or will they not follow? That is a choice they must make, just as this rich man turned away and was sad. Yet it’s found in one of the gospels “Jesus loved him.”

Something to think about even if the person is a nonbeliever. There are many congregations which state never hang out with an unbelievers; you make that decision on your own, as you could be the one to help them see the light though truly they must make their own decisions for themselves.

The most poorest people need spiritual wealth of wellbeing in Christ, and not always material things, and even the richest person needs spiritual wealth of wellbeing in Christ.


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main reason is that they crave this world ! The ego that they are someone to be aspired to and idolised by fools.

I seen of late one wealthy man grovel to another man, for this man was much more wealthy then himself ! I know both of them, like see them twice a month as a mob we all meet up and talk.
The real wealthy one does not bother with such looking up to him at all like that, because he is religious and is not trying to impress anyone, not to mention that he is 90yo. and the other is mid 80's and has brain cancer and starting to loose it. nice bloke tho but is of this world.

So i think that the reality is in regards a wealthy person not being able to ! is they are on the wrong track !
But some really really wealthy people that i have known must of come to the reality of the nonsense of this world and can see clearly as they are not under delusions of this world. and they do not act along with such a tune or care less what other people 'think' of them at all !
 

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Like @Reggie Belafonte and @MatthewG said it can be for the reasons that they gave that it is hard for rich men to go heaven. But you can have those qualities and not be rich, just trying to be rich and what you do in trying to be rich, can get you in to trouble. If money and possisions are the most important thing to you….that can be the failing point….even if you do not get them….what is the most important thing to you? That should be God.

But being rich is not a ticket to Hell. What is rich by biblical standards? A lot of us would be rich by biblical standards. Do we have a roof over our heads and well feed and clothed. Heating and air conditioning and a vehicle. Do we worship the Trinity and try to be good and do good. And if we have enough do we give to the church and charity and help those we can along the way….do we?

I believe the parable of the Sheep and the Goats Matthew 25:31-46 gives us an insight into how Christ looked at it and why he said it was hard for a rich man to go to heaven. Whether you make $30,000 a year or 300 million a year, do you help those in need? Remember in that parable those that did not help those in need went to Hell. So besides loving and worshiping the Trinity most of us should be giving to the church and charity and help those we meet along the way. As much as we can afford.

Like James said a good Christian is not just going to wish a person that is naked and hungry well and say God Bless and keep walking.

And of course millionaire Christians should be helping a lot. That does not mean they should give it all away. Poor people do not employee people or give a lot to charity.
 
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Like @Reggie Belafonte and @MatthewG said it can be for the reasons that they gave that it is hard for rich men to go heaven. But you can have those qualities and not be rich, just trying to be rich and what you do in trying to be rich, can get you in to trouble. If money and possisions are the most important thing to you….that can be the failing point….even if you do not get them….what is the most important thing to you? That should be God.

But being rich is not a ticket to Hell. What is rich by biblical standards? A lot of us would be rich by biblical standards. Do we have a roof over our heads and well feed and clothed. Heating and air conditioning and a vehicle. Do we worship the Trinity and try to be good and do good. And if we have enough do we give to the church and charity and help those we can along the way….do we?

I believe the parable of the Sheep and the Goats Matthew 25:31-46 gives us an insight into how Christ looked at it and why he said it was hard for a rich man to go to heaven. Whether you make $30,000 a year or 300 million a year, do you help those in need? Remember in that parable those that did not help those in need went to Hell. So besides loving and worshiping the Trinity most of us should be giving to the church and charity and help those we meet along the way. As much as we can afford.

Like James said a good Christian is not just going to wish a person that is naked and hungry well and say God Bless and keep walking.

And of course millionaire Christians should be helping a lot. That does not mean they should give it all away. Poor people do not employee people or give a lot to charity.
Charity ?
I see Charity as Grace ! fundamentaly ?
The best help That I fine is so as to bring one to Christ Jesus in fact ! Not the Church denomination ?
The Church denomination should have the same intent in regards so as to bring one to Christ Jesus ! that's it, the key ! this has nothing to do with money ?
Such is the abiding and abiding in Christ Jesus is truly Christ Jesus that's abiding in you !
Good will ! not spite. but some such people you just have to understand where they are truly at ? so that you have a handle on them where they are at. Money is another path and such ends are not the Key workings. they are what they are tho ? and can help ! but they are not the Key to Israel = Serving God ! for such is the wellspring ? The Holy Spirit !

Money ? I gave you X ? but what you do with such is the issue ? Does one Build on a Rock or on Sand ?
God gave you a Gift ? what are you goiung to do with such ? squander it or cherish such ? for Christ Jesus Glory ! what is given to Christ Jesus is returned many more times over ! That's a Blessing.
 

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This was a comment that I was going make earlier.

Jesus speaks a lot concerning priorities, there is an instances where he states

“If you want to be my disciple, you must, by comparison, hate everyone else—your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple. And if you do not carry your own cross and follow me, you cannot be my disciple.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭14‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Is the priority here to really hate your mother, wife, children, or even your own life? No, the priority is placing Yahavah/God in your life first by and the strength of Christ and faith in him, to love Yahavah/God first, with all your mind, heart, and soul or strength (I forget sometimes.) And to love your neighbor as yourself.

Church is not a main priority either, going to church is cool and all however it doesn’t mean anything when it comes down to your heart. Though we love and value the family, even if there isn’t a good connection between them all.

Do we put family first? No.

God comes first in all things, otherwise Jesus states one is not worthy of being his disciple. Why? Because while in this life we have to work jobs, tend to our family matters and live in a world of constant disruption and distractions, God must come first, faithfully looking to him.

Not a pastor at a church, not what your mother’s traditional ways may have been or your sisters ideas or your brothers ideas. It’s all about living a life for God in and through Christ growing as a babe in Christ and maturing in the spiritual matters which are not of this world.

Material passions we have are only temporary but they are hollow, there is only one good substance that we can have and that is and always be spiritual life in and through Christ.

That is what it means to “hate” in the context of what Jesus is saying here. It’s the same principle as the rich man Jesus had encountered and he “loved him” in one of the other gospels accounts noting that even though people have great materials and can love their family and providing for them, ultimately it comes down to a choice of relationship in placing God first in one’s life.
 
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Charity ?
I see Charity as Grace ! fundamentaly ?
The best help That I fine is so as to bring one to Christ Jesus in fact ! Not the Church denomination ?
The Church denomination should have the same intent in regards so as to bring one to Christ Jesus ! that's it, the key ! this has nothing to do with money ?
Such is the abiding and abiding in Christ Jesus is truly Christ Jesus that's abiding in you !
Good will ! not spite. but some such people you just have to understand where they are truly at ? so that you have a handle on them where they are at. Money is another path and such ends are not the Key workings. they are what they are tho ? and can help ! but they are not the Key to Israel = Serving God ! for such is the wellspring ? The Holy Spirit !

Money ? I gave you X ? but what you do with such is the issue ? Does one Build on a Rock or on Sand ?
God gave you a Gift ? what are you goiung to do with such ? squander it or cherish such ? for Christ Jesus Glory ! what is given to Christ Jesus is returned many more times over ! That's a Blessing.

They are two different things….Preaching the Gospel and bringing people to Christ is wonderful and that salvation is a gift of God. And then there is charity and helping people. The parable of the Sheep and the Goats does not discuss belief or salvation. It gives us an example of what Christ wants us to do. And it follows the example that Christ set in the Gospels. The Parable does not say to only help the perfect.

Love God and love one another. What does love do if you know someone that needs help….Does love give to charity to feed the children? There are different types of charities. We all should give what we can.

I run into it all the time….people looking for a reason not to help people or not to give to charity. What if you give them money and they end up back the same way? The whole wet noodle effect. That is wrong thinking. What if God thought that way….Why should I give My Son as a sacrifice for their sins, they are not going to be perfect, they will just sin again. The most important point is that you helped someone or gave to charity….You cannot guarantee anything and they cannot not guarantee anything….following the example of Christ, did He think when He saved us that we would be perfect from that point on? Does salvation depend on perfection?
 

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Understanding Mammon

Considering how much Jesus had to say about this subject, it is a wonder why teaching about it from the pulpit is an unspoken taboo. The main point to grasp here is that mammon is the philosophy and governing principles behind the operations in the kingdom of Satan. The economic systems which we have adopted along with its privileged and social ramifications. It instills the opposite behaviours held up as desirable in the kingdom of God. It encourages self centeredness instead of God centeredness. Every other religion will promote the development of self, with self being responsible for their own development in reaching for the higher state of being. While in the kingdom of God it is impossible to earn ones own salvation in any way shape or form. It can only be given as a free gift for the asking. Mans natural reasoning will gravitate towards the principles of mammon because of our fallen state, which makes the learning and understanding of Godly principles something that requires the development of new lines of logic. This line of reasoning is not something that comes naturally to us. There is no shortage of new testament scriptures looking at this phenomenon, such as the one below.

Rom 8:5 For they that are according to the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh: but they that are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace:
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

And the solution to the problem being along the lines of this scripture below.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable, and perfect will of God.
Rom 12:3 For through the grace given to me, I say, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Jesus of course just stated the situation very plainly and bluntly as recorded in this verse below.

Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

To be noted here, is that Jesus referred to serving mammon as in competition to serving God. No matter how diplomatic you try to be, there is going to come a time where the rules of mammon and submission to Gods laws are going to be in opposition. Do you take the financial loss and obey God, or do you please the stock holders and take the money or the deal and run? But in reality mammon encompasses far more than just wealth. It also includes all the trappings of prestige, political power, influence, worldly respect and all else that places a person in high esteem over the common people in the form of brute power based on wealth, not acts of righteousness.

The kingdom of Satan also keeps close tabs on the distribution of mammon as well. Those who do not play their game will be stripped of mammon and reputation so as to render them the poor of the land. This is to pressure them into compliance or servitude. The specific demonic entities involved with this are Rimmon and Focalor. Interesting read if you look them up. Fortunately they can be bound by the saints using the authority we have in Christ.

The basic dictionary definition in Strongs concordance is as follows!

G3126
μαμμωνα?ς
mammōnas
mam-mo-nas'
Of Chaldee origin (confidence, that is, figuratively wealth, personified); mammonas, that is, avarice (deified): - mammon.

The control comes through the need to protect ones gains in the form of mammon. Worldly wisdom
dictates that reputation needs to be protected in the sight of others that also have the required reputations, even if the course of action denies justes to the poor of the land. We are coming into a time where those that mock God and Christ are held in high esteem. Peer pressure to conform will ensure the mockery of God grows. This is the laws of mammon in operation.

A good example of where this plays out is to be found in these verses;

Est 3:5 And when Haman saw that Mordecai bowed not, nor did him reverence, then was Haman full of wrath.
Est 3:6 And he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had shewed him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.

Haman was number two in the kingdom, He had lots of mammon and a great deal of pride to go along with it. When this Jew did not bow and tremble before him when he passed, Haman decided to kill off all the Jews in the land. He was to be feared and reverenced because of his station. As is the case of mammon in operation.

Fortunately the kings wife just happened to be a Jew and the daughter of Mordecai, so the Jews came through and Haman ended up on his own gallows.

This of course is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught;

Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

This of course does create a challenge for us in that we have to live in a world that is governed by mammon, while we are supposed to be striving to uphold godly principles. Jesus, fortunately did give us some advice on how to handle this situation.

The fact is that our economic system is designed in such a way that the good guys will inevitably finish last and those that want to come in first no matter what will have to leave their godly principles behind so as to beat out the competition. The higher up the ladder you go in the worlds system the more you will have to exploit your fellow man and stretch the truth in order to accumulate wealth. Get enough of it and you may even stand a chance in politics where there is some real power to go along with it.

Now that leaves us in a bit of a problem. We want to pursue the things of God and lay up for ourselves some treasures in heaven but at the same time we have out of necessity to engage in worldly mammon in order to live. So the question is, How do we handle this. Well the first thing is to identify what belongs to the kingdom of God and what Belongs to the kingdom of this world in the form of mammon. The moment the two get mixed up everything gets corrupted.

Now Jesus did point out that there is a conflict of interest involved when dealing with mammon while attempting to also walk in the spirit. But he also pointed out that you need make a decision regarding which you want to serve. We do have two masters over us but we get to choose which we want to honour and which we want to despise.

However Jesus also gave some very good advice on how to handle the situation. And it is found in the context of the first verse quoted which is reproduced below.

Luk 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Luk 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
Luk 16:11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
Luk 16:12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
Luk 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luk 16:14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Now right off the batt Jesus acknowledged that as far as our dealings with mammon are concerned we are probably going to fail as the doors of the world will tend to close to us. But he also cautioned that we are to deal faithfully with it as in a trust worthy manner.

But what Jesus also pointed out was that while you have it use it to make friends and alliances so that you will not be an offence to any and they will be willing to help you in the future in times when you will inevitably need the help. That way by remaining true to your Godly principles you will still be rewarded in other ways when the mammon of the world fails you.
 

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Their possessions are what they find which comforts them
More that they trust in what they have and in there ability to gain more..

But how much do we trust in the fact that we have money in the bank, more than enough food and clothing and don't have to make decisions like do I pay the rent or buy food.

Are we really trusting in God for our daily bread?

Who are the rich? Example wages in africa ranges from 80 us dollars to 2000 us dollars a month.
How does that compare, wiki says 2020 medium salary per month was 50k

I seriously think we should look at ourselves.
 

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It is like a addiction when you have it you want more and all your time is consumed protecting it and growing it even when you don't need to its never enough once you have it.When the money means nothing anymore its about buying power as you see with billionaires.Don't have much time for God doing that.The rich don't want to pay tax or support anyone in this day its ultimate greed and preservation is the goal at any cost.The world is coming to its end the earth is a trash heap and the Rich will do what they can to preserve their lifestyle power and wealth as everything goes to hell.Dark times a coming.
 

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My over all thought of money is this.

A millionaire is poor to the Billionaire.
A homeless person is more poorer than the person who has a home.
A homeless person can still be a King, as you have kingpins everywhere, and homeless people making their resident wherever they want.

I’m a poor person, but a king in retrospect because there is a roof, water, electricity, and a bed, a homeless person can get those means through alternative means, and still have a place to rest their heads.

I don’t think it’s always a good thing to give money especially if you have financial needs to be met. People can disagree or agree but I’m not gonna also give money to those who may spend it on drugs, or even alcohol. I still have finical agreements I have to make every month to keep me from going into debt.

Either way, all people who see the need for God in their life are all spiritually poor when they start and as they grow and mature. Spiritual life is what is need of being gained ultimately, and Yahavah provides this to people who seek him.

When it comes to being charitable it’s stated “don’t let your right hand know what your left hand is doing and do so in secret.” Therefore announcing what one has done that is all the reward they will get, but your Father in Heaven reward those in what they do in secret.

Jesus states
““Watch out! Don’t do your good deeds publicly, to be admired by others, for you will lose the reward from your Father in heaven.
Be careful.
When you give to someone in need, don’t do as the hypocrites do—blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity!
Be careful.
I tell you the truth, they have received all the reward they will ever get. But when you give to someone in need, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Give your gifts in private, and your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NLT‬‬
Yahavah sees everything done under the sun.


Being loving to people is what Jesus wants us to do, but truth is also a given.

Paul writes what type of love God provides, to the people in Corinth in his day and time.

“Love is patient and kind.
A charitable act in Christ is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous
A charitable act in Christ does not produce jealousy as the flesh does.
or boastful
A charitable act in Christ does not produce fruit which is boastful.
A charitable act in Christ does not produce being proud.
A charitable act in Christ does not produce the fruit of being rude.
It does not demand its own way.
A charitable act in Christ does not demand its own way.
It is not irritable,
A charitable act in Christ does not produce fruit which is irritable.
and it keeps no record of being wronged.
A charitable act in Christ does not produce a fruit which keeps records of being wronged and holding grudges.
It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
A charitable act in Christ does not rejoice about injustices but rejoices when the truth wins out.
Love never gives up,
Love never gives up.
never loses faith,
Love never loses faith (which is a choice to abide in Christ or not)
is always hopeful,
Love is always hopeful.
and endures through every circumstance.”
Love endures through every circumstance.
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭4‬-‭7‬ ‭NLT‬‬