Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 11:15 is about the kingdom upon earth becoming Christs.

That has not happened yet.

As of today,Benjamin netanyahu reigns .The beast.

So, you have no interest in discussing it then. Okay then. Moving on...

 

[tailgator]

After the vision of Revelation 17 was over and the angel began to explain it, what city was reigning over the kings of the Earth at the time?

Hint: not Jerusalem.

This isn't about ancient history.
The city which the beast from the abyss and the ten horns attack is Jerusalem where the two witnesses are .

Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.


Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.





Do you preach our Lord was crucified in Rome?

 

[Phoneman777]

You ignore God like no other.God says Jerusalem is a prostitute and you argue that it's Rome.

I've shown you several times the Whore of Revelation is the apostate church:

>the church that is in "Babylon" refers to "Rome" - the Whore has "Babylon" on her forehead.
>this "Babylon" is a "she" that has "committed fornication" with the kings of Earth - aka a Whore.
>the Whore "Babylon" is burned with fire - an ordinary woman caught in adultery was to be stoned to death but if she was the daughter of a priest, she was to burned with fire.

You can't even explain why all the nations attack Jerusalem and not Rome on the day of the Lord.

You mean "New Jerusalem"? Because that's the only time in history when the wicked will run up to attack the city where the is the camp of the saints who've been safely inside for the last 1,000 years after Jesus had returned gloriously for them at the Second Coming - only to have fire come down out of heaven and destroy them all.

 

[tailgator]

Jerusalem reigned over nothing at the time of the Revelation 17 vision.

Did I now show you that "sacrifice" is not in the original Hebrew? So, why do you keep bringing it up?

The Two Witnesses are "the word of God" according to Zechariah 4:2-6 KJV - not the literal "Moses and Elijah" but the symbolic "Moses and Elijah" aka "Moses and the prophets" aka "the Law and the prophets" aka "the Law and the Testimony".

Understand? All these references are symbolic of the Old Testament and the New Testament: the Two Witnesses of Bible prophecy.

I got news for you, friend. Babylon fell long ago and Isaiah 13 says it ain't never gonna be rebuilt.

Once again, you Jesuit Futurists are trying to assign literal meaning to the symbolic elements of the most symbolic book in the Bible.

You believe the day of the Lord when all sinners are destroyed out of the kingdom was when?Did the heavens shake and the earth remove out of its place in the day of God's fierce anger?


Isaiah 13
6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:

8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.



What year did you say all this happened?

 

[Phoneman777]

Peter never called the prostitute in revelation Babylon .Peter was dead before the book of revelation was written.

I agree and don't recall saying he did.

Rome does not reign over the kings of the earth

Rome was reigning over them in John's day. The angel didn't say, "the woman is that great city which will reign in the future when Jesuit Futurist nonsense takes place".

He said, "reigneth" - present perfect tense! The only city that was reigning at the time the angel explained the vision to John was Rome, which is why he said "that woman is that great city with reigneth" over the kigns of the Earth".

because the two witnesses who have authority for 42 months are not in Rome.

Yes, but prophesying "clothed in sackcloth" which refers to the Two Witnesses - the Old and New Testament - declaring the truth of God while being attacked and suppressed by the papacy for 1260 years, from its inception in 538 until its deadly wound in 1798.

They are in Jerusalem which is attacked and burned by the nations who hate the prostitute.

The "temple" ("naos") refers to the church! Over and over, "naos" is used to refer to the church in the NT ut somehow you guys get over to the most symbolic book in the Bible and want to interpret it literally.

Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Prophecy is conditional - on condition of repentance or impenitence. When ancient Israel was returned from Babylon and given 490 years probation to get their act together they chose to murder their Messiah and, thus, forfeited their right to claim the promises of Zechariah 14.

Zechariah 14 will never be fulfilled in "Jerusalem which is below" but with "Jerusalem which is above" which are the "heavenly places" where Paul says Christians are seated.

You can't post anything about the nations attacking Rome because they all attack Jerusalem the prostitute.

The time that immediately precedes the Second Coming is when the nations will indeed turn against the papacy and "burn her with fire" as are all whore daughters of the high priest.

No one is going to attack Rome.

The nations are going to burn the Roman church with fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This isn't about ancient history.
The city which the beast from the abyss and the ten horns attack is Jerusalem where the two witnesses are .

Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.


Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.





Do you preach our Lord was crucified in Rome?

He wasn't crucified in Jerusalem, He was crucified outside of it.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

We need to use scripture to interpret scripture here. What is the identity of "the great city" in the book of Revelation? Jerusalem? Rome? No, Babylon. Spiritual Babylon, that is.

Revelation 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’

Revelation 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

The book of Revelation is a book full of spiritual truth which contains a lot of symbolism. The references to places like the Euphrates River, Sodom, Egypt, Babylon, Armageddon and Magog are not references to physical places on earth. They all are all symbolic and represent spiritual entities. Mystery Babylon is the spiritual opposite of the New Jerusalem. There's no more reason to think that Babylon symbolically represents an earthly city than there is to think that New Jerusalem represents an earthly city. Would you ever try to say that the holy city, New Jerusalem, is symbolic for an earthly city? I'm sure you wouldn't.

All believers are spiritual citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem:

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

In contrast to that, all unbelievers are spiritual citizens of Babylon. The symbolic spiritual city of Babylon represents everything that opposes God.

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

How can this possibly be describing either Jerusalem or Rome? The scope of Babylon goes beyond either one. Neither Jerusalem nor Rome are or ever were "the hold of EVERY foul spirit, and a cage of EVERY unclean and hateful bird". Babylon encompasses all wicked cities and people and all false religion and philosophies. As it says, "ALL nations have drunk the wine of the wrath of her fornication".

Notice that it says "Come out of her, my people". That's a call to stop loving the world and its ways with its false religions and philosophies and its wickedness.

It reminds me of this:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Paul, inspired by God, says "come out from among them, and be ye separate" and "touch not the unclean thing". Come out from among who? Unbelievers. Those who are in spiritual darkness. Infidels. Idol worshipers.

God says "Come out of her, my people" with "her" obviously referring to Babylon which is "the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. So, what does Babylon represent? All those things that Paul listed in 2 Cor 6:14-17. It's citizens are "unbelievers" and "infidels". It is marked by "unrighteousness", spiritual "darkness" and the worship of "idols".

 

[Phoneman777]

This isn't about ancient history.

Excuse me, but after the vision was over and the angel began to explain it, he said the woman "IS" (present perfect tense) that great city with "REIGNETH" (present perfect tense) over the kings of the Earth" and the only city that was doing that at the time John got the vision was ROME.

Words mean things, friend.

 

[Phoneman777]

You believe the day of the Lord when all sinners are destroyed out of the kingdom was when?

That's still future.

Did the heavens shake and the earth remove out of its place in the day of God's fierce anger?

No, because that's future.

What year did you say all this happened?

I didn't. I seems you think I'm a Jesuit Preterist.

I'm a Protestant Historicist.

 

[ewq1938]

The two horns are not kings at all.
They are two witnesses .

Nope. The two witnesses are never described as two horns. The two horns are part of the description of the false prophet so obviously that cannot be the two witnesses.

They have power to continue 42 months.Juat like the first beast.

Revelation 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Revelation
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.



No one said they were good witnesses.

lol...the context is that they are good and on God's side.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Bad people aren't called "my two witnesses, nor does the spirit of God resurrect and enter into them so they can ascend into heaven.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Excuse me, but after the vision was over and the angel began to explain it, he said the woman "IS" (present perfect tense) that great city with "REIGNETH" (present perfect tense) over the kings of the Earth" and the only city that was doing that at the time John got the vision was ROME.

Words mean things, friend.

I agree. It is written in present perfect tense, as you said. That's no something that can be debated. It's an undeniable fact. I mean, people will try to deny it anyway, of course, but you can't argue with facts. Babylon was definitely reigning at the time John wrote the book. So, it can't be talking about Jerusalem.

With that said, what do you make of this verse which talks about the great city (called Babylon in Revelation) that you believe is Rome:

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I'm curious to know how you see Rome as being spiritually like Sodom and Egypt and how Rome could be considered "where also our Lord was crucified"?

 

[tailgator]

I agree and don't recall saying he did.

Rome was reigning over them in John's day. The angel didn't say, "the woman is that great city which will reign in the future when Jesuit Futurist nonsense takes place".

He said, "reigneth" - present perfect tense! The only city that was reigning at the time the angel explained the vision to John was Rome, which is why he said "that woman is that great city with reigneth" over the kigns of the Earth".

Yes, but prophesying "clothed in sackcloth" which refers to the Two Witnesses - the Old and New Testament - declaring the truth of God while being attacked and suppressed by the papacy for 1260 years, from its inception in 538 until its deadly wound in 1798.

The "temple" ("naos") refers to the church! Over and over, "naos" is used to refer to the church in the NT ut somehow you guys get over to the most symbolic book in the Bible and want to interpret it literally.

Prophecy is conditional - on condition of repentance or impenitence. When ancient Israel was returned from Babylon and given 490 years probation to get their act together they chose to murder their Messiah and, thus, forfeited their right to claim the promises of Zechariah 14.

Zechariah 14 will never be fulfilled in "Jerusalem which is below" but with "Jerusalem which is above" which are the "heavenly places" where Paul says Christians are seated.

The time that immediately precedes the Second Coming is when the nations will indeed turn against the papacy and "burn her with fire" as are all whore daughters of the high priest.

The nations are going to burn the Roman church with fire.

Well ,Rome was never attacked and destroyed.That destroys your argument that Rome is the city the nations rise up and destroy.
Your preterists nonsense is not history.

 

[tailgator]

He wasn't crucified in Jerusalem, He was crucified outside of it.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

We need to use scripture to interpret scripture here. What is the identity of "the great city" in the book of Revelation? Jerusalem? Rome? No, Babylon. Spiritual Babylon, that is.

Revelation 18:10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: “‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, you mighty city of Babylon! In one hour your doom has come!’

Revelation 18:21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: “With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.

The book of Revelation is a book full of spiritual truth which contains a lot of symbolism. The references to places like the Euphrates River, Sodom, Egypt, Babylon, Armageddon and Magog are not references to physical places on earth. They all are all symbolic and represent spiritual entities. Mystery Babylon is the spiritual opposite of the New Jerusalem. There's no more reason to think that Babylon symbolically represents an earthly city than there is to think that New Jerusalem represents an earthly city. Would you ever try to say that the holy city, New Jerusalem, is symbolic for an earthly city? I'm sure you wouldn't.

All believers are spiritual citizens of the heavenly new Jerusalem:

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

In contrast to that, all unbelievers are spiritual citizens of Babylon. The symbolic spiritual city of Babylon represents everything that opposes God.

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

How can this possibly be describing either Jerusalem or Rome? The scope of Babylon goes beyond either one. Neither Jerusalem nor Rome are or ever were "the hold of EVERY foul spirit, and a cage of EVERY unclean and hateful bird". Babylon encompasses all wicked cities and people and all false religion and philosophies. As it says, "ALL nations have drunk the wine of the wrath of her fornication".

Notice that it says "Come out of her, my people". That's a call to stop loving the world and its ways with its false religions and philosophies and its wickedness.

It reminds me of this:

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Paul, inspired by God, says "come out from among them, and be ye separate" and "touch not the unclean thing". Come out from among who? Unbelievers. Those who are in spiritual darkness. Infidels. Idol worshipers.

God says "Come out of her, my people" with "her" obviously referring to Babylon which is "the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. So, what does Babylon represent? All those things that Paul listed in 2 Cor 6:14-17. It's citizens are "unbelievers" and "infidels". It is marked by "unrighteousness", spiritual "darkness" and the worship of "idols".

Where Jesus was crucified is in Jerusalem today.Jerusalem covers 49 square miles and the place Jesus was crucified is well within the city.

Jesus was not crucified in Rome Italy so the beast from the abyss and the ten horns which hate the prostitute will be attacking Jerusalem and not Rome.

Revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



That is inside Jerusalem city limits.

 

[tailgator]

Excuse me, but after the vision was over and the angel began to explain it, he said the woman "IS" (present perfect tense) that great city with "REIGNETH" (present perfect tense) over the kings of the Earth" and the only city that was doing that at the time John got the vision was ROME.

Words mean things, friend.

False.
He said the woman you saw is .

John was seeing a vision.
And the city which the beast from.the abyss makes war with is Jerusalem .Not Rome.
Our Lord was not crucified in Rome.


I understand you believe the beast which ascends out of the abyss attacked Rome but it didn't.This is a future prophecy in which the beast that ascends out of the abyss attacks Jerusalem


Revelation 11

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



Do you preach that Jesus was crucified in Rome?

 

[Phoneman777]

With that said, what do you make of this verse which talks about the great city (called Babylon in Revelation) that you believe is Rome:

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

I'm curious to know how you see Rome as being spiritually like Sodom and Egypt and how Rome could be considered "where also our Lord was crucified"?

We know where Jesus was crucified, so the symbolism identifies this "city" called "Babylon":

• Sodom: known for its exceptional depravity
• Egypt: known for their stubborn defiance against God
• Crucifixion: the worst judicial sentence

All these point to the papacy:

• The Protestant Reformation's "raison d'etre" was unlimited papal crimes, theological and otherwise
• The papacy stands with jaw set and fists clenched in God's face, claiming it takes His place on Earth
• "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto...my brethren, ye have done it unto Me". Between 75-150M innocent saints were slain by the papacy, the worst form of injustice there is.

The Two Witnesses are thought to be Moses and Elijah because Revelation 11 describes what Moses and Elijah did - but these Two Witness are actually describing the power behind what they did: God's Word, according to Zechariah 4:1-6 KJV.

Historicism rejects neo-Jesuit Futurism's claim that "the prophetic clock stopped at the Cross and will resume when the church disappears in the secret rapture" and traces prophecy down through the ages and has the Two Witnesses describing the 3 1/2 literal years that the Bible was discarded during the French Revolution - which, I know, is laughable to those unfamiliar with or unwilling to accept Protestant Historicism.

 

[tailgator]

That's still future.

No, because that's future.

I didn't. I seems you think I'm a Jesuit Preterist.

I'm a Protestant Historicist.

We've been discussing future.

The day of the Lord is when Jerusalem(aka Babylon )is attacked by the nations.The houses will be ransacked and the women raped.

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


A prophecy against Babylon.

Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.







Your going to feel real stupid when Iran attacks Israel on the day of the Lord and not Italy as you keep claiming.
Everyone in the world knows Iran wants to destroy Israel..Everyone but you.

 

[Phoneman777]

Well ,Rome was never attacked and destroyed.That destroys your argument that Rome is the city the nations rise up and destroy.
Your preterists nonsense is not history.

Tailgator, you're not listening. I'm not a Preterist aka "Jesuit Preterist" and don't claim Rome was ever attacked by all nations.

 

[Phoneman777]

False.
He said the woman you saw is .

Your reading comprehension it terrible.

John saw in a vision of the future a Woman riding a Beast.

The angel clearly says this future Woman that joins hands with the Beast (apostate church joining with the secular state) is in ROME, the very city that was currently reigning over the kings of the Earth!

 

[Phoneman777]

We've been discussing future.

The day of the Lord is when Jerusalem(aka Babylon )is attacked by the nations.The houses will be ransacked and the women raped.

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


A prophecy against Babylon.

Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.







Your going to feel real stupid when Iran attacks Israel on the day of the Lord and not Italy as you keep claiming.
Everyone in the world knows Iran wants to destroy Israel..Everyone but you.

When will you guys learn that Zechariah's prophecy will never be fulfilled in those who murdered our Lord?

It will be fulfilled in the church, the true "Israel of God".

 

[Phoneman777]

Revelation 11:15 is about the kingdom upon earth becoming Christs.

That has not happened yet.

As of today,Benjamin netanyahu reigns .The beast.

Zionists are doing the bidding of the papacy - they both worship Lucifer.

 

[Brakelite]

Time to get serious with what many consider the very foundation of prophecy... Daniel 2. It seems many here have forgotten what it depicts.

The prophecies of Daniel are incredibly revealing. They are intricately detailed, providing specific information and points of character and events regarding the history of nations, beginning from Daniel's time and unfolding throughout history and progressing throughout all generations right down to the close of time and the second coming. And the Antichrist is a prominent feature throughout. This is not an accident. God desires that we are thoroughly informed of the nature and character of the Antichrist. Let us take heed. I will begin with Daniel 2.

All of Daniels visions are built on the one previous. Each one is a magnification, or an enlargement of the one before. The vision of Nebuchadnezzar and Daniels explanation regarding the statue forms the foundation for all the subsequent visions. Once we establish the foundation, we must take care that our understanding of later visions are built on that foundation. Our conclusions and interpretations must not deviate nor contradict or we shall soon lose our way, and our understanding become darkened and confused.

Daniel 2:31 ¶ Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
32 This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

We have here a statue made of 5 different components. Gold, silver, bronze, iron, and a mixture of iron and clay. This statue was then completely destroyed by a rock 'made without hands', which became a mountain which filled the whole earth.No trace was found of the former materials. Nebuchadnezzar was so convicted by the Holy Spirit, he demanded his wise men (soothsayers and occultists for the most part) to give him the interpretation. Perhaps knowing their duplicity, he demanded they give him the dream also; whether Nebuchadnezzar had indeed forgotten the dream, or was testing them, I don't know. Daniel was finally given the opportunity to give the interpretation.

36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain.

Five distinct empires, beginning with the current administration, Babylon, who will dominate earth's history. Each one closely followed by the next, the final one however subtly different, being changed through the addition of clay, and despite being weakened, it lasts right up to the end. Note that there are no gaps, no times between in which there is no empire ruling. Throughout history it is possible to see the influences and lasting impressions that have been brought to even the present generation by these empires.History has thus far without equivocation confirmed the veracity of this vision.
Babylon is the only kingdom at that stage named, "thou art this head of gold".
One very important thing we must take note of. When the rock destroys the statue," it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold". All the components are still there at the end!!! Even though the empires are long gone, there remains at the end a vestige, a remnant, a trace of the original within the final entity that is destroyed.
This is important, and I will discuss this important point a little later, because it has an important bearing on the nature and character of one of the final players in the great drama between Christ and Satan being played out before our eyes today.