Who Knows the God of Jesus?

[marks]

Michael is Jesus. See Rev 1:1--proves Jesus is not God. God( one being) gave a revelation to another being( Jesus) --since there is only 1 God, it would be impossible for Jesus to be God unless God is insane and said--here me have a revelation.
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing this ride(Rev 6:1,2) and with the voice of the archangel--Do you believe Michael loaned Jesus his voice, or its Jesus' voice? Rev 6:1 was the war in heaven, Michael took that ride, but verse 2 shows he receives his crown, Only Jesus gets the crown= Michael is Jesus. Rev 19:11 is the continuation of the ride of the white horse-Jesus is on it. That ride does not end until Rev 20 is concluded. And this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28

Revelation 1:1-5 KJV
1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4) John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

So then you are saying that while this says it's Jesus Christ who was given this vision to give to John, you are saying it was actually Michael, and this passage is deceptive.

This says Jesus Christ is the Faithful Witness, but you are saying this is actually Michael, so then the Revelation is giving false statements. The faithful witness is a liar? No way.

I'm going to believe the Bible over someone who tells me the Bible is lying to me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

What a Satanic fairy tale! Where does it say in the NT that Michael is the Savior? It doesn't!

Consider . . . Jesus Christ comes to live in all who receive Him. All of us. An omnipresent angel? No, I don't think so. Jesus, God the Son.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

Revelation 1:1-5 KJV
1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4) John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

So then you are saying that while this says it's Jesus Christ who was given this vision to give to John, you are saying it was actually Michael, and this passage is deceptive.

This says Jesus Christ is the Faithful Witness, but you are saying this is actually Michael, so then the Revelation is giving false statements. The faithful witness is a liar? No way.

I'm going to believe the Bible over someone who tells me the Bible is lying to me.

Much love!

Keiw is saying Jesus is one of the chief princes.

Daniel 10
13 Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

 

[marks]

Keiw is saying Jesus is one of the chief princes.

I think he's saying "Jesus" is a fiction, a part played by an angel, but not a real being. A deception put over on humanity by God.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

I think he's saying "Jesus" is a fiction, a part played by an angel, but not a real being. A deception put over on humanity by God.

Much love!

I think JW's love making up their own doctrines and calling them Bible.

 

[Keiw]

What a Satanic fairy tale! Where does it say in the NT that Michael is the Savior? It doesn't!

It doesn't have to. Michael is Jesus-It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days-Dan 12:1

 

[Keiw]

Revelation 1:1-5 KJV
1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2) Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4) John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

So then you are saying that while this says it's Jesus Christ who was given this vision to give to John, you are saying it was actually Michael, and this passage is deceptive.

This says Jesus Christ is the Faithful Witness, but you are saying this is actually Michael, so then the Revelation is giving false statements. The faithful witness is a liar? No way.

I'm going to believe the Bible over someone who tells me the Bible is lying to me.

Much love!

Its not giving false statements-Michael is Jesus--Michael is the spirit being, Jesus was a mortal. There was no Jesus in the OT-Only as a mortal. It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days-Dan 12:1--Obviously can be either one whenever he wants. God has 100% trust in him.

 

[Jack]

It doesn't have to. Michael is Jesus-It is Michael who is standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days-Dan 12:1

You say Michael is your Savior but you have zero proof. Yes it does "have to"! My Bible says Jesus is THE Savior!

 

[Keiw]

You say Michael is your Savior but you have zero proof. Yes it does "have to"! My Bible says Jesus is THE Savior!

Yes as a mortal Jesus is savior, because he died and paid the ransom sacrifice-- But in heaven as a spirit being he is Michael who as well is kind of savior because its him standing up for Gods chosen here in these last days. But actually its Jehovah who is the only power source, so credit goes to him as savior really. Jehovah is the only true God, the only one with the power. Jehovah gave Jesus the name above angels.( Heb 1:4) Jehovah gave Jesus all authority on earth and in heaven. Jehovah gave Jesus the authority to judge. Jehovah did all the powerful works through Jesus( Acts 2:22,, 1 Cor 8:5-6) Jehovah created all things-99.9% he created through Jesus-Coll 1:15-16, but Jesus was created direct-first and last. Coll 1:15-The Firstborn of all creation. Gods master worker= the one beside God during creation= Michael( Jesus) he tells all he was created Prov 8:22-23, and gives all credit to God for the creation.
Dan 7:13-15--One like a son of man= a created being) was given a kingship) Jesus is Gods appointed king.
Jesus can do 0 of his own( John 5:30)