When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[tailgator]

There is no kingdom which is to come in Colossians 1:13.

It's been here since Christ proclaimed it at His first coming.

Christ taught me to pray "the kingdom.come"


You say it is already come.Looks like you are arguing with Christ now.

 

[grafted branch]

Did that impede the proclamation and reception of the Gospel to and by the Gentiles?

It didn’t impede but it shows that there was a distinction being made between Jew and Gentile that the Holy Spirit recognized.

 

[tailgator]

There is no kingdom which is to come in Colossians 1:13.

It's been here since Christ proclaimed it at His first coming.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Abraham was never given the land of Canaan.He bought a small.piece of land with his silver for a burial spot.He ,Isaac and Jacob are buried there and will remain there till the kingdom of heaven is established in the land promised to him.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

 

[covenantee]

Christ taught me to pray "the kingdom.come"


You say it is already come.Looks like you are arguing with Christ now.

Matthew 6
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Present tense when Christ spoke.

You say it hasn't come. Christ repudiates your claim.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Would 1 Peter 1:1 be the only place they are called the diaspora?

1Pe 1:1 - Peter, an apostle of JesusChrist, to the strangers G3927 scatteredthroughout Pontus, Galatia,Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1Pe 2:11 - Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers andpilgrims, G3927 abstain from fleshlylusts, which war against the soul;

Strong’s Definitions
παρεπίδημος parepídēmos, par-ep-id'-ay-mos; from G3844 and the base of G1927; an alien alongside, i.e. a resident foreigner:—pilgrim, stranger.

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives
2. a stranger
3. sojourning in

Jhn 11:52 - And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the childrenof God that were scattered abroad

 

[tailgator]

Matthew 6
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Present tense when Christ spoke.

You say it hasn't come. Christ repudiates your claim.

Christ said thy kingdom come..

You say thy kingdom is here.

 

[covenantee]

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Abraham was never given the land of Canaan.He bought a small.piece of land with his silver for a burial spot.He ,Isaac and Jacob are buried there and will remain there till the kingdom of heaven is established in the land promised to him.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[tailgator]

Matthew 6
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Present tense when Christ spoke.

You say it hasn't come. Christ repudiates your claim.

You also said the church is in the kingdom.

That would mean the church is cast out.


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

 

[covenantee]

Christ said thy kingdom come..

You say thy kingdom is here.

Christ said thine is the kingdom.

You deny the present tense of His declaration.

 

[tailgator]

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

And at the present time.The antichrist is reigning in the land of Canaan which is promised to Abrahams seed which is Christ.

Antichrist as in ,them who deny Jesus is the Christ.

 

[tailgator]

Christ said thine is the kingdom.

You deny the present tense of His declaration.

You must believe Benjamin netanyahu is Christ and is sitting on his throne.

 

[covenantee]

And at the present time.The antichrist is reigning in the land of Canaan which is promised to Abrahams seed which is Christ.

Antichrist as in ,them who deny Jesus is the Christ.

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

 

[tailgator]

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

So you say God will not keep his word to Abraham and give him the land he has promised him?

You say God broke his word ?


Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[grafted branch]

1Pe 1:1 - Peter, an apostle of JesusChrist, to the strangers G3927 scatteredthroughout Pontus, Galatia,Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1Pe 2:11 - Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers andpilgrims, G3927 abstain from fleshlylusts, which war against the soul;

Strong’s Definitions
παρεπίδημος parepídēmos, par-ep-id'-ay-mos; from G3844 and the base of G1927; an alien alongside, i.e. a resident foreigner:—pilgrim, stranger.

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives
2. a stranger
3. sojourning in

Ok, well that agrees with my view of Peter referring to the Jews as the diaspora.

 

[tailgator]

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

You say God has broken his word to both Abraham and his seed "Christ" and will.not give Abraham and his seed the land he promised to give him.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

 

[covenantee]

You say God has broken his word to both Abraham and his seed "Christ" and will.not give Abraham and his seed the land he promised to give him.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

You say that God is prohibited from replacing His old covenant with a New and Better Covenant, i.e. that God is prohibited from updating His Own Will and Testament.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

He hasn't heard you.

Nor will He.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Ok, well that agrees with my view of Peter referring to the Jews as the diaspora.

Jhn 11:52 - And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the childrenof God that were scattered abroad

The early Gentile believers were also a part of the one flock that was prophesied to be scattered abroad.

The fact remains the Royal Priesthood is made up of ALL peoples and Nations.

Revelation 5:9-10

King James Version

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9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[grafted branch]

Jhn 11:52 - And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the childrenof God that were scattered abroad

The early Gentile believers were also a part of the one flock that was prophesied to be scattered abroad.

The fact remains the Royal Priesthood is made up of ALL peoples and Nations.

Revelation 5:9-10​

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King James Version​

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9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The one flock is made up of scattered Jews and Gentiles. The Gentiles are the nations of the world, they aren’t scattered to even more nations somewhere beyond that.

I’m not arguing against Jew and Gentiles alike being part of the Royal Priesthood.

 

[Davidpt]

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And where do some Amils have these reigning as kings and priests per verse 4 and 6 in Revelation 20? In heaven, that is where. But where does the text indicate they reign as kings and priests? Unless I can't read properly in this case, it looks like to me it says where they shall reign as kings and priests is meaning here---and we shall reign on the earth.

Maybe it's just me, but somehow I tend to think heaven and earth are not meaning the same place. Therefore, the earth meant in verse 10 couldn't possibly be meaning heaven. It has to be meaning exactlty what it says, that being the earth, not heaven, where we shall reign as kings and priests.

 

[tailgator]

You say that God is prohibited from replacing His old covenant with a New and Better Covenant, i.e. that God is prohibited from updating His Own Will and Testament.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

He hasn't heard you.

Nor will He.

God promised to give Abraham the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession and you say God lied to Abraham.


Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.


Is God going to keep his word to Abraham and Christ or not?
Do you honestly believe God lied to Abraham and will not give him.the land he promised?