When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

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Anyone that is arguing that 70 AD is meant by Matthew 24:21, that is basically what they are arguing. Which then contradicts what Jesus said in that verse and it contradicts reality, when even WW1 and WW2 were greater in scale than 70 AD. How you have not heard that interpretation before, puzzles me? I don't interpret that verse in that manner, but some of those you are debating in here, such as @covenantee and @Spiritual Israelite, certainly do if they are applying that verse to 70 AD.
my point was you said the time of great trouble ended in 70 AD. I never heard that, I heard many say it started in 70 AD after the destruction. But never it ended
 

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If that is meaning in the literal sense, then so is the following since it is clearly recorded in Matthew 24 as well.

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Compare verse 31 with Matthew 24:17-18. Then compare verse 33 with Matthew 16:24-26. IOW, by comparing verse 33 with Matthew 16:24-26 we can know that the fleeing in verse 31 is not meaning in the literal sense where one is literally leaving their home, no time to pack, just get out now. Obviously, if taking verse 31 in the literal sense it is impossible to make sense out of this part in that case--and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
I take all of them literally.

The meaning is serious. There will be a great tribulation. It will be so bad, do not even go home, run to the hills (especially in jerusalem)
 

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Of course there are no sacrifices for sin in the New Testament sanctuary of God. The abomination of desolation placed in the 2nd temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes is not the same temple - it's a biblical type. And though you desperately try to pretend that you do not understand the difference between a biblical type and its antitype, your argument nevertheless fails dismally - because here is the context of the Olivet Discourse:


And here are the rest of the biblical facts that you cannot escape, though you desperately try to:

"Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For the Day of Christ shall not come unless there first comes the apostasy, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple [naós] of God, setting himself forth, that he is God." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

The gospels use the word naos in reference to the sanctuary of God in the hieron - the physical temple structure in Jerusalem - until the verses telling about the tearing of the veil - but not after that.

ἱερόν hierón (hee-er-on'):
[Strongs Greek Dictionary] 02411 (English: Temple):
neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts, whereas 3485 [naós] denotes the central sanctuary itself (of the Temple in Jerusalem, or elsewhere).

The New Testament only uses the word naos in reference to the bodies of saints as the temple (naos) of God, the church as the temple (naos) of God, and the heavenly temple in the Revelation after the verses telling of the tearing of the veil.

The naos is the holy place where the man of sin / son of perdition will appear, calling himself God and rising from out of the lawlessness (the lawlessness that Jesus told us will accompany the time of the end).

Paul called that tabernacle the naos - which in the New Testament always refers to the sanctuary of God, and is the word Paul always only used in reference to the bodies of saints and the church as the tabernacle of God (rather than the word hieron which he used in reference to the physical temple in Jerusalem).

After the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the sanctuary (naos) of God which was contained in the hieron (the physical temple structure) the first time the word is used again in reference to the sanctuary of God is in Acts, where the apostle states that God does not dwell in a sanctuary (naos) made with (human) hands.

There will be no removal of the daily sacrifice again because that was done in the 2nd temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and there is no daily sacrifice in the sanctuary of God today - but there will appear an idol in the naos - New Testament temple - the man of sin himself.

The abomination of desolation placed in the holy place (which the Greek would refer to as the naos) of the 2nd temple did not result in the destruction of either the temple or the city - after Antiochus IV was ousted the temple was cleansed and rededicated to God.

The New Testament Temple cannot be destroyed bu it can be defiled- and it will be.

"And what agreement does a temple [naós] of God have with idols? For you are the temple [naós] of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." 2 Corinthians 6:16.

"Do you not know that you are a temple [naós] of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple [naós] of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are." -- 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

"Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For the Day of Christ shall not come unless there first comes the apostasy, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple [naós] of God, setting himself forth, that he is God." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.


So Jesus told them to run when they see the man of sin appear in the New Testament Temple after rising out of the lawlessness in it (that Jesus told us in Matthew 24:9-14 will accompany the time of the end in the church).

Therefore
the saints in Judea must run when they see it happening in the church/es. Because armies will gather once again against Jerusalem.

THE PECULIARITY OF MANY CHRISTIANS (BUT NOT ALL)

For some reason only God knows the full answer to, though there are many millions of people in the world who speak English, and even more who can speak English, only a very small minority of them do not understand that the word therefore in Matthew 24:15 links what Matthew records Jesus saying about the abomination of desolation to what Jesus had just said about the tribulation of the saints at the end of the age - and though it be rightfully laughable to all the others, that tiny minority happen to all be Christians - making all Christians be laughed at by all the other millions of people who either speak English or can speak English.

Those Christians who refuse to understand that the word therefore that Matthew used, links what Matthew recorded Jesus saying about the abomination of desolation to what He had just said about the tribulation of the saints at the end of the age, do so because they try to assert that Matthew was writing a commentary on what Luke recorded Jesus saying about the wrath of God coming upon Jerusalem,

and they somehow manage to do this despite the fact that Matthew was an eyewitness writing his own record of all the things that Jesus said on the Mount of Olives, Mark was writing what Peter related, and Luke was recording what who knows how many eyewitnesses were relating about all the things Jesus said on the Mount of Olives -

and in Luke's gospel he frequently has Jesus saying the exact same things about the end of the age and His return while still on His way to Jerusalem that Matthew has Jesus saying on the Mount of Olives.

Only because it's convenient to keep their minds and their understanding enslaved to their own chosen eschatology do many Christians refuse to acknowledge the meaning of the word therefore in Matthew 24:15, and to insist on making Luke's record a commentary of what Matthew and Mark recorded, Matthew a commentary of what Mark and Luke recorded, etc.
Repeating your words a second time does not make them any more true than the first time

Jesus said it will happen. It will. You crying it will nto happen will not help your case.
 

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the wailing wall is the wall of the old fortress antonia.

Josephus and other historians visited jerusalem after Rome destroyed it, and said nothing was left standing except for the old roman fortress.

You could not even tall a city had ever existed there.
Matthew chapter 24

Wailing wall is part of Jerusalem that was left of old.

Titus didi not completely destroy old Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The wailing wall is not of Roman fort.

At the 7th trump, the wailing wall, and current temple, will be ashes when Jesus arrives 7th trump in Jerusalem.

Ezekiel chapter 43

Jesus will establish new temple at beginning of millennium.

I documented this.

We have different understanding of this.


Why will Jesus destroy the current temple at the 7th trump.

Because satan as antichrist defiled, polluted the temple at the 6th trump.
 

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Matthew chapter 24

Wailing wall is part of Jerusalem that was left of old.

Titus didi not completely destroy old Jerusalem in 70 ad.

The wailing wall is not of Roman fort.
Yes it is, The historians say that is the only things standing.. it is what is left of that fort
At the 7th trump, the wailing wall, and current temple, will be ashes when Jesus arrives 7th trump in Jerusalem.

Ezekiel chapter 43

Jesus will establish new temple at beginning of millennium.

I documented this.

We have different understanding of this.


Why will Jesus destroy the current temple at the 7th trump.

Because satan as antichrist defiled, polluted the temple at the 6th trump.
lol. Ok, if you say so
 

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The beast-king will make his final stand on the temple mount.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.


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Yes it is, The historians say that is the only things standing.. it is what is left of that fort

lol. Ok, if you say so
I documented it.

I studied under pastor Arnold murray for 20 years. He teaches sound doctrine. He passed away in 2012.

I'm just sharing Gods truth.

It's ok with me, if anyone has different fundamental perspectives.

Peace.
 

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I documented it.
And that proves it?

Who do i trust. The historians who were their and witnessed it, or you?
I studied under pastor Arnold murray for 20 years. He teaches sound doctrine. He passed away in 2012.
So you listen to men? And so I should listen to you? I listened to a man for many years also. And trusted him with everything, only to find he was wrong in some areas.. I don’t hold it against him
I'm just sharing Gods truth.
Well, your not.
It's ok with me, if anyone has different fundamental perspectives.

Peace.
Ok with me too.. But discuss don;t speak as fact..
 

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I take all of them literally.

The meaning is serious. There will be a great tribulation. It will be so bad, do not even go home, run to the hills (especially in jerusalem)
There are no hills on many prairies. :laughing:

Some people live in houseboats on the water.

No hills there either.
 

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Now to Luke's account…..

Luke 21:5-7

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but whenshall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Luke 21 was not, is not, the Olivet discourse. The Olivet discourse was on the Mount called Olivet. In Luke 21 Jesus had just finished watching a poor widow put two copper coins in the treasury. They were sitting inside the Temple, in an area called the "women's court". When He began this again in Matthew 24, He was leaving "the temple and was walking away".
Again notice they are speaking of the Temple and buildings they are looking at "with their own eyes." And so Jesus tells them "the signs" given before the temple is to be destroyed….
That was in the day, the morning, before the Olivet. The Olivet was in the evening.

"And early in the morning He came again into the temple area, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began teaching them. - John 8:2​
"And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet. - Luke 21:37​

In Luke 21, Jesus began the Olivet material from Matthew 24, then paused at verse 12, "but before all this".
So the common mistake here is to think that the abomination of desolation concerning the destruction of the Temple is yet future, and has anything to do with the second coming of Christ and the end of the world almost 2 thousand years later.
I am still very sure that the Abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel, from Matthew 24 and Mark 13, (Let The Reader Understand), has to do with the second coming. And it's happening now, we are in the days of the Abomination now.
There is no need for a future Temple to be built to fulfill this AOD prophecy,
Agreed.
Prove all things by the words of God.
Which appears to be more difficult, judging by the posts on this thread, than it would seem.

Jesus, the Word of God, also directed us in Matthew 24 to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel. In Daniel's Chapter 12 we are also blessed with the Prophetic time period of 1290 days. This gives us a measurable. The 1290 days tells us what it is, when it is, and where it is. The Word speaks of multiple things God calls an abomination. But this one is the biggie indicator, The Abomination, which helps to answer Daniel's question in Chapter 12, "O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

I wish I could help you old boys out with this one. This ones tough. There are multiple disciplines involved that must be addressed. Me and a couple of guys are pretty sure we figured this out on another forum in 2015. It was the most exciting time I have ever spent online. I was up and down and walking the floor and looking out the window. I thought I was making the greatest discovery in the history of mankind as it related to the second coming of Christ. It went from one Saturday to another. Then I was done. We were trading the chart, not trading a story. It was still tough. Me and the other guy. I think he was Russian Orthodox or something. He hated the USA. The USA is connected.

I think forums are where it's at. They can be virtual idea factories. This is not something the early Church fathers could know. This is not something you can get by spit balling, throwing around ideas, proposals, or suggestions without much thought or consideration. Brainstorming sessions, casual discussions, or even unstructured thinking can be fun, but you can't get the AofD without first finding the 1290 days.

The end time Abomination is not a nuclear bomb dropped on Jerusalem. The end time Abomination is not the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. The end time Abomination is not an animated idol of the Antichrist brought to life in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. Lol. That's not the "holy place" anymore, where it ought not to be, since the curtain was rent.

You can't find the Abomination of Desolation, which comes after, and on the wing of multiple abominations now, in Luke 21. Because it's just not there. Luke moved our end time Abomination, the one that will make desolate, to his Chapter 17. There is where we get the same instructions from Matthew 24 on what to do after seeing it:

"On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. - Luke 17, 31-32.​

Think.

Just after the mention of the "Days of Lot".

But the 1290 days is the litmus test that has to be passed. That is where price action makes for market commentary.

Still, I could be wrong. I will be surprised if I'm wrong. I am very sure we are living in the days, near the culmination, on the wing of multiple abominations, and the actual and specific Abomination that will maketh desolate, now.

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Can you imagine. If Polycarp or Eusebius, or even Isaac Newton could see one of our days?

KJV:

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. - Luke 17:34​
Remember Lot’s wife.

Peace and God bless

Peaceful Sabbath.
 
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Luke 21 was not, is not, the Olivet discourse. The Olivet discourse was on the Mount called Olivet. In Luke 21 Jesus had just finished watching a poor widow put two copper coins in the treasury. They were sitting inside the Temple, in an area called the "women's court". When He began this again in Matthew 24, He was leaving "the temple and was walking away".

That was in the day, the morning, before the Olivet. The Olivet was in the evening.

"And early in the morning He came again into the temple area, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began teaching them. - John 8:2​
"And every day he was teaching in the temple, but at night he went out and lodged on the mount called Olivet. - Luke 21:37​

In Luke 21, Jesus began the Olivet material from Matthew 24, then paused at verse 12, "but before all this".

I am still very sure that the Abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel, from Matthew 24 and Mark 13, (Let The Reader Understand), has to do with the second coming. And it's happening now, we are in the days of the Abomination now.

Agreed.

Which appears to be more difficult, judging by the posts on this thread, than it would seem.

Jesus, the Word of God, also directed us in Matthew 24 to the abomination of desolation spoken of by the Prophet Daniel. In Daniel's Chapter 12 we are also blessed with the Prophetic time period of 1290 days. This gives us a measurable. The 1290 days tells us what it is, when it is, and where it is. The Word speaks of multiple things God calls an abomination. But this one is the biggie indicator, The Abomination, which helps to answer Daniel's question in Chapter 12, "O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

I wish I could help you old boys out with this one. This ones tough. There are multiple disciplines involved that must be addressed. Me and a couple of guys are pretty sure we figured this out on another forum in 2015. It was the most exciting time I have ever spent online. I was up and down and walking the floor and looking out the window. I thought I was making the greatest discovery in the history of mankind as it related to the second coming of Christ. It went from one Saturday to another. Then I was done. We were trading the chart, not trading a story. It was still tough. Me and the other guy. I think he was Russian Orthodox or something. He hated the USA. The USA is connected.

I think forums are where it's at. They can be virtual idea factories. This is not something the early Church fathers could know. This is not something you can get by spit balling, throwing around ideas, proposals, or suggestions without much thought or consideration. Brainstorming sessions, casual discussions, or even unstructured thinking can be fun, but you can't get the AofD without first finding the 1290 days.

The end time Abomination is not a nuclear bomb dropped on Jerusalem. The end time Abomination is not the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. The end time Abomination is not an animated idol of the Antichrist brought to life in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. Lol. That's not the "holy place" anymore, where it ought not to be, since the curtain was rent.

You can't find the Abomination of Desolation, which comes after, and on the wing of multiple abominations now, in Luke 21. Because it's just not there. Luke moved our end time Abomination, the one that will make desolate, to his Chapter 17. There is where we get the same instructions from Matthew 24 on what to do after seeing it:

"On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. - Luke 17, 31-32.​

Think.

Just after the mention of the "Days of Lot".

But the 1290 days is the litmus test that has to be passed. That is where price action makes for market commentary.

Still, I could be wrong. I will be surprised if I'm wrong. I am very sure we are living in the days, near the culmination, on the wing of multiple abominations, and the actual and specific Abomination that will maketh desolate, now.

V1ukjAf.png


zxNMmjD.png


Can you imagine. If Polycarp or Eusebius, or even Isaac Newton could see one of our days?

KJV:

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. - Luke 17:34​
Remember Lot’s wife.



Peaceful Sabbath.
It doesn’t matter where they were sitting or standing when Jesus answered the question about the destruction of the Temple and surrounding buildings they were LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.

The fact that those buildings are no longer there is proof Jesus’ words came to pass about the AOD.
 
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It doesn’t matter where they were sitting or standing when Jesus answered the question about the destruction of the Temple and surrounding buildings they were LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES.

The reason why it matters will help indicate the context of the prophecy. The disciples in Luke were looking at it from INSIDE the temple, the day before the Olivet would begin. Inside the temple is where their eyes would see the gifts and offerings.

Once they got to the Mount called Olivet, only 4 disciples came to Him and asked privately, Peter and James and John and Andrew. There were no poor widows. The people who came to see Him teach everyday in the temple were not there. No scribes, no Pharisees. No beautiful stones or offerings. Jesus had left the building.

"Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God.​

Where in the temple would we expect to find the "gifts dedicated to God"?

Outside the temple wall, or inside the temple wall?

Like in 2 Chronicles 3 where Solomon:

"He overlaid the inside with pure gold. He paneled the main hall with juniper and covered it with fine gold and decorated it with palm tree and chain designs. He adorned the temple with precious stones. And the gold he used was gold of Parvaim. He overlaid the ceiling beams, doorframes, walls and doors of the temple with gold, and he carved cherubim on the walls.​

And like Asa in 1 Kings 15, the sacred gifts are found inside, into the house of the Lord:

"Nevertheless, the heart of Asa was wholly true to the Lord all his days. And he brought into the house of the Lord the sacred gifts of his father and his own sacred gifts, silver, and gold, and vessels.​

When Jesus was "leaving the temple" and walking away at the start of Mathew 24, they could not see the adornment of beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. When they were leaving, they were looking at the outer structure.

All These Things

Jesus asked: “Do you not see all these things?

"Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”​

That was the end of another long day which was spent INSIDE the temple. For everyday He was teaching in the temple, but at night He lodged on the Mount called Olivet.

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Once they made that familiar trip, down the temple mount, across the Kidron Valley, and up to the Mount called Olivet, the disciples must have been tired. They must have been ready for sleep time. But the seriousness of the subject sinks in with four of the disciples. They are wondering what was Jesus talking about? They are wondering was Jesus talking about something much more sinister than just the destruction of Jerusalem. Was Jesus talking about all the stones of the whole City of Jerusalem? Every stone, every building everywhere on earth? They must have recalled the OT prophecies of the earth utterly broken apart, the earth is split open, the earth is shaken violently, the earth sways to and fro like a drunkard. Was this what Jesus was talking about with saying there would not be left here one stone upon another?

When Jesus said: "all these things, could He have been talking about every man made building on the earth?

When Jesus said: there will not be left "here", does He mean every building here on the earth?

Four disciples came to Him privately and asked when shall these things be?

"And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”​

When we are here after the thousand years are finished, the lost are going to be brought back to life. They are going to march across the broad plain of the earth. The earth will be turned into a "broad plain".

The earth will be turned into a "broad plain" because every island and mountain will have been moved out of it's place, and every man made wall will be thrown down when the earth staggers to and fro like a drunkard. There will not be left here, on the planet, one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.

All of Matthew 24, all of the Olivet discourse, is speaking about our modern days now. From WW1 and WW2, Israel becoming a nation again, and right up to and including the time we are living in now.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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The reason why it matters will help indicate the context of the prophecy. The disciples in Luke were looking at it from INSIDE the temple, the day before the Olivet would begin. Inside the temple is where their eyes would see the gifts and offerings.

Once they got to the Mount called Olivet, only 4 disciples came to Him and asked privately, Peter and James and John and Andrew. There were no poor widows. The people who came to see Him teach everyday in the temple were not there. No scribes, no Pharisees. No beautiful stones or offerings. Jesus had left the building.

"Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God.​

Where in the temple would we expect to find the "gifts dedicated to God"?

Outside the temple wall, or inside the temple wall?

Like in 2 Chronicles 3 where Solomon:

"He overlaid the inside with pure gold. He paneled the main hall with juniper and covered it with fine gold and decorated it with palm tree and chain designs. He adorned the temple with precious stones. And the gold he used was gold of Parvaim. He overlaid the ceiling beams, doorframes, walls and doors of the temple with gold, and he carved cherubim on the walls.​

And like Asa in 1 Kings 15, the sacred gifts are found inside, into the house of the Lord:

"Nevertheless, the heart of Asa was wholly true to the Lord all his days. And he brought into the house of the Lord the sacred gifts of his father and his own sacred gifts, silver, and gold, and vessels.​

When Jesus was "leaving the temple" and walking away at the start of Mathew 24, they could not see the adornment of beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. When they were leaving, they were looking at the outer structure.

All These Things

Jesus asked: “Do you not see all these things?

"Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”​

That was the end of another long day which was spent INSIDE the temple. For everyday He was teaching in the temple, but at night He lodged on the Mount called Olivet.

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Once they made that familiar trip, down the temple mount, across the Kidron Valley, and up to the Mount called Olivet, the disciples must have been tired. They must have been ready for sleep time. But the seriousness of the subject sinks in with four of the disciples. They are wondering what was Jesus talking about? They are wondering was Jesus talking about something much more sinister than just the destruction of Jerusalem. Was Jesus talking about all the stones of the whole City of Jerusalem? Every stone, every building everywhere on earth? They must have recalled the OT prophecies of the earth utterly broken apart, the earth is split open, the earth is shaken violently, the earth sways to and fro like a drunkard. Was this what Jesus was talking about with saying there would not be left here one stone upon another?

When Jesus said: "all these things, could He have been talking about every man made building on the earth?

When Jesus said: there will not be left "here", does He mean every building here on the earth?

Four disciples came to Him privately and asked when shall these things be?

"And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are about to be accomplished?”​

When we are here after the thousand years are finished, the lost are going to be brought back to life. They are going to march across the broad plain of the earth. The earth will be turned into a "broad plain".

The earth will be turned into a "broad plain" because every island and mountain will have been moved out of it's place, and every man made wall will be thrown down when the earth staggers to and fro like a drunkard. There will not be left here, on the planet, one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.

All of Matthew 24, all of the Olivet discourse, is speaking about our modern days now. From WW1 and WW2, Israel becoming a nation again, and right up to and including the time we are living in now.

Peaceful Sabbath.
Like I said it does not matter where they were standing, ALL 3 gospel accounts are speaking of the SAME Temple. Just because Luke’s account is worded a little different does not mean it is a different prophecy.
 

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Like I said it does not matter where they were standing, ALL 3 gospel accounts are speaking of the SAME Temple. Just because Luke’s account is worded a little different does not mean it is a different prophecy.

It's the same temple, but different perspectives, and at different times.

The prophecies are similar, some are the same, but they are written in different styles. I'm not sure I can explain it in this note.

Luke 21 was written in the style, in the architecture, of a Day of the Lord Prophecy. A near/far prophecy. Like Isiah 13. Where the prophet can begin with one time interval, then make a shift to another time interval, and finally conclude back to the original time period.

In Luke it is shown at verse 12, and 25.

Jesus begins with our end times, like with Matthew 24. But then at verse 12, "but before all this", it's as if He gets a tap on the shoulder, and then predicts the destruction of Jerusalem.

Then at verse 25, "“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, He resumes with the final end times. Our end times. Like Isaiah 13 does, but in reverse.

Matthew 24 is written in a different style, in a type of chronological order, with repetition and enlargement. And with us being directed to a specific Prophetic time period spoken of by the Prophet Daniel. That qualifies it as an Apocalyptic Prophecy, where we get a prophetic time period for identification.

Peaceful Sabbath.
 

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Which appears to be more difficult, judging by the posts on this thread, than it would seem.
It is actually not that difficult. The difficulty comes when people do not take the word of God literally.

Jesus told his disciples (and us)

When you see the abomination which causes desolation (an idol or Unclean thing placed in a holy place rendering it unclean) STANDING in THE HOLY PLACE..

Yet you have people saying this is not a literal event or literal thing, or it is somethign else (the destruction of the temple) which by defenition it is not)

then you have all the confusion. Because people are not just flat out taking the word as it is written.. one could say they are not taking the word serious..
 

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It is actually not that difficult. The difficulty comes when people do not take the word of God literally.

Jesus told his disciples (and us)

When you see the abomination which causes desolation (an idol or Unclean thing placed in a holy place rendering it unclean) STANDING in THE HOLY PLACE..

Yet you have people saying this is not a literal event or literal thing, or it is somethign else (the destruction of the temple) which by defenition it is not)

then you have all the confusion. Because people are not just flat out taking the word as it is written.. one could say they are not taking the word serious..
I didn't mean to make it sound difficult. Or that I'm the only one that knows what it is. What I mean is that we can't get this from the text alone. In God's Word, in Apocalyptic Prophecy, there are also numbers. There are 18 Prophetic Periods of Time in Daniel and Revelation. That can provide us with a starting point in time, and an ending point in time.

When we find it, then we're not just guessing. Then we're not spit balling, or throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Then price action makes for market commentary. It has to be how the wise men knew when to be looking for His star in the east.
When you see the abomination which causes desolation (an idol or Unclean thing placed in a holy place rendering it unclean) STANDING in THE HOLY PLACE..

Even if they did have time to build another temple, would that make it a "holy place"?

Mark says where it ought not to be.

I'm sure it's not going down the way of a rebuilt temple. But like I say, I could be wrong.

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It's the same temple, but different perspectives, and at different times.

The prophecies are similar, some are the same, but they are written in different styles. I'm not sure I can explain it in this note.

Luke 21 was written in the style, in the architecture, of a Day of the Lord Prophecy. A near/far prophecy. Like Isiah 13. Where the prophet can begin with one time interval, then make a shift to another time interval, and finally conclude back to the original time period.

In Luke it is shown at verse 12, and 25.

Jesus begins with our end times, like with Matthew 24. But then at verse 12, "but before all this", it's as if He gets a tap on the shoulder, and then predicts the destruction of Jerusalem.

Then at verse 25, "“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, He resumes with the final end times. Our end times. Like Isaiah 13 does, but in reverse.

Matthew 24 is written in a different style, in a type of chronological order, with repetition and enlargement. And with us being directed to a specific Prophetic time period spoken of by the Prophet Daniel. That qualifies it as an Apocalyptic Prophecy, where we get a prophetic time period for identification.

Peaceful Sabbath.
You are looking for a loophole that is not there.
 

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I didn't mean to make it sound difficult. Or that I'm the only one that knows what it is. What I mean is that we can't get this from the text alone. In God's Word, in Apocalyptic Prophecy, there are also numbers. There are 18 Prophetic Periods of Time in Daniel and Revelation. That can provide us with a starting point in time, and an ending point in time.

When we find it, then we're not just guessing. Then we're not spit balling, or throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. Then price action makes for market commentary. It has to be how the wise men knew when to be looking for His star in the east.


Even if they did have time to build another temple, would that make it a "holy place"?

Mark says where it ought not to be.

I'm sure it's not going down the way of a rebuilt temple. But like I say, I could be wrong.

Peaceful Sabbath.
is it a true holy place? No

But would they recognize anything else as a holy place. That one can place an abomination of desolation in?

remember, the warning is to the world, yes, but it is more to them, When they see it, they need to run to the hills

Also Remember, God said he would protect them.

So there could be no other place.

Plus like I said, there could be 100 different time periods. It would not matter, for this one instance, Jesus said when you see this literal event happen. Run, THEN there will be great tribulation such as never before or after.

Jesus is giving the world an event that everyone will see, and remember, and know. That is the event that was foretold. And God said when you see it happen. Know that the next 3.5 years are going to be the worse years this earth has seen next to the flood.