When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

[rebuilder 454]

Take a break friend.
You are getting way too nasty and vile.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

SI has become unable to talk without being nasty.
I do feel your frustration friend.
You need a break from this place before you blow a gasket.

LOL. The only frustration I have is that you refuse to exegete any scripture and offer any coherent arguments.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Take a break friend.
You are getting way too nasty and vile.

LOL. This is what people resort to when they have no coherent arguments to offer. Just complain that people are being nasty. My complaints are legitimate. You are refusing to offer any sort of coherent argument to back up your claims. Why is that? It's not nasty for me to question this. Don't blame me for you being overly sensitive to anyone questioning why you make all sorts of claims while doing nothing to back them up.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

FYI - Jesus said to the five foolish virgins = "I do not know you"

He won't address this. He somehow thinks that Jesus would say that to a true believer. No, He absolutely would not. And, when you look at other scripture that talks about what will happen to those who say "Lord, Lord" at His second coming it shows that they will be cast into the fire "where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth". He thinks they are turned away and forced to face tribulation for 7 years while having to deal with "the Antichrist", but that is not at all what scripture teaches about what will happen to people like that when Jesus comes.

 

[David in NJ]

Lol.
I challenged you guys earlier and you did the same thing.
Avoid the parable.
SMH

i am quite familiar with the parable of 10 virgins

The LORD never tells the 5 foolish that He is coming back for them 7 years later.


Can you find a single declaration of the LORD warning us of a pre-trib rapture and that 7 years later His Second Coming?

 

[rebuilder 454]

They are deceived and taken by Satan at the 6th trump. If you belong to Jesus, you must be a watchman and a dedicated laborer in the field until the coming of the Lord. What Jesus is teaching us here is about the wise versus the unwise servants who work in the field. Make certain that when you see the abominable one standing in the holy place (Jerusalem), you do not allow yourself to be caught up in his storm of lies and taken in by Satan whereby you end up worshiping him. WAIT UNTIL THE 7TH TRUMP SOUNDS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN THE REAL JESUS CHRIST RETURNS; THAT IS THE WEDDING YOU WANT TO ATTEND, THE ONE TO THE REAL MESSIAH, THE REAL JESUS CHRIST.

Remember, Satan and his fallen angels arrive first at the 6th trump.

PEtRA

The Bible is like a basket weave. It has many many strands that make up the whole. They're all integral they all have importance. What I am seeing here is many many people omitting things and trying to pull the strands out of the basket. The strands, or we can say verses, all build and make up the basket. Maybe somebody can come along and say oh no that's not important, as I see with spiritual Israelite trying to diminish verses or just flat-out omit them. So I endeavor 100% to bring the Bible into the debate. Nothing else. And that's the problem. Because if you go against the Bible that's on you, but what I am seeing ,is me bringing the Bible ,and actually forcing people to go against it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

i am quite familiar with the parable of 10 virgins

The LORD never tells the 5 foolish that He is coming back for them 7 years later.


Can you find a single declaration of the LORD warning us of a pre-trib rapture and that 7 years later His Second Coming?

Nope nope nope
The foolish stay...fact
The wise are taken to the marriage chamber..fact
All Christians are martyred by the AC..fact.
The foolish are seen in heaven with dirty robes that had to be washed, after martyrdom, and mentioned in Rev 20 as not taking the mark.

Because you guys omit the church in heaven, confusion of verses is natural.

 

[rebuilder 454]

i am quite familiar with the parable of 10 virgins

The LORD never tells the 5 foolish that He is coming back for them 7 years later.


Can you find a single declaration of the LORD warning us of a pre-trib rapture and that 7 years later His Second Coming?

Yes he NEVER tells them that, nor has anyone with comprehension ever ASSUMED that.
You made it up.

 

[David in NJ]

Nope nope nope
The foolish stay...fact
The wise are taken to the marriage chamber..fact
All Christians are martyred by the AC..fact.
The foolish are seen in heaven with dirty robes that had to be washed, after martyrdom, and mentioned in Rev 20 as not taking the mark.

Because you guys omit the church in heaven, confusion of verses is natural.

Not a single verse to substantiate your claims!

 

[David in NJ]

Yes he NEVER tells them that, nor has anyone with comprehension ever ASSUMED that.
You made it up.

ONLY the myth of pre-trib rapture makes that claim.

 

[Davy]

That is a common assumption, but it is not the way that Luke interprets Daniel's "abomination of desolation" phrase. Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 both use only the "abomination of desolation" phrase, but Luke 21:20-21 does the interpreting of that phrase for us, explaining that this AOD was "Jerusalem surrounded by armies".

The false assumption is in reality yours, simply because you cannot understand the difference of the actual "abomination of desolation" that Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel compared with Luke 21 about gathering of armies around Jerusalem to cause desolation, i.e., destruction. One is about false IDOL worship during the "great tribulation" time, and the other is about the final battle of Armageddon.

The "abomination of desolation" (AOD) event occurs PRIOR to that Luke 21:20-22 event of the armies out of the northern quarters coming upon Israel on the last day of this world, on the "day of the Lord", which is the 'day' that Christ Jesus returns in our near future. This is why Luke 21:20-22 includes the verse, "For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)

I realize the doctrine of men where you are coming from. Those you heed only want to key on certain verses in Luke 21 and disregard the actual AOD mention by Christ from the Book of Daniel in the Matt.24 and Mark 13 version of His Olivet discourse, and use Luke 21 to TRY... and prove that's all PAST history about Jerusalem's destruction in 70 A.D. by the Romans.

1. the Romans FAILED in getting possession of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. They did NOT place an IDOL abomination inside the temple at Jerusalem. The temple instead burned down (per the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D.). Thus the AOD that Jesus quoted from Daniel 11:31 was NOT fulfilled, and is still yet to be fulfilled today. The final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is still PENDING TODAY.

2. The Luke 21 chapter does NOT... describe the "abomination of desolation" event that Matt.24 and Mark 13 does. One cannot simply substitute the Luke 21 idea of "desolation" by those armies with the "abomination of desolation" false IDOL worship event.

3. The phrase "days of vengeance" of Luke 21:22 reveals Jesus was pointing to the destruction that is to occur on the LAST DAY of this world when He and His army of Revelation 19 come to fight that army that will surround Jerusalem. If you claim that verse is only about the Roman army under Titus in 70 A.D., then it means you SCRAP the Isaiah 61:2 Scripture about Jesus' FUTURE return on the last day of this present world...

Isa 61:1-2
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
KJV

Per Luke 4 at the start of Christ's Ministry, Jesus quoted all the above in 'blue', and then closed the Book of Isaiah, and said at that point in His Ministry, that portion of Isaiah 61:1-2 was fulfilled.

But that portion above in 'red', He did NOT read, because that is about His future return, which even we still await today! And that... is the subject of the Luke 21:22 "days of vengeance" that all things written may be fulfilled.

That is such a HUGE point in Bible Scripture to let us know what 'timing' that Luke 21:20-22 is, that to simply BYPASS IT like you are FALSELY TAUGHT TO DO, is a gross error in understanding God's written Word! I wouldn't trust one doing that with a pair of my dirty socks!

 

[honeycomb]

Read mat 24.
At this point, I would have thought you and Petra would have a vague knowledge of the rapture and 2 comings of mat 24.

Read mat 24.

It’s you who lacks knowledge and understanding.
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…

 

[David in NJ]

Read mat 24.
At this point, I would have thought you and Petra would have a vague knowledge of the rapture and 2 comings of mat 24.

Read mat 24.

Another pre-fib lie = Two distinct separate 2nd Comings of the LORD Jesus Christ

 

[rebuilder 454]

It’s you who lacks knowledge and understanding.
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge…

I gave you a list.
Asked you to pick a verse

Tell me specifically.
Show me with a bible.

If I lack knowledge , take me to school.
Show me.

If not, keep taking your little personal shots.
It is how every postribber ends up.
At first you had a few thoughtful posts.
Now you hold hands with SI and go personal.

 

[rebuilder 454]

ONLY the myth of pre-trib rapture makes that claim.

More insightful generalities.
So invigorating!
Ever cracked a Bible???
Find one and let's go.

I won't hold my breath

 

[honeycomb]

The Church in heaven in rev19?

What about it? Provide the verse you’re referring to.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Bible is like a basket weave. It has many many strands that make up the whole. They're all integral they all have importance. What I am seeing here is many many people omitting things and trying to pull the strands out of the basket. The strands, or we can say verses, all build and make up the basket. Maybe somebody can come along and say oh no that's not important, as I see with spiritual Israelite trying to diminish verses or just flat-out omit them.

That is an absolute lie. You do NOTHING to back up your claims with scripture. Absolutely NOTHING. You don't even try to exegete any scripture. I do that frequently. But, you're going to lie and try to say I diminish verse or omit them? That is a complete lie. I don't diminish any verses or omit any of them. g

So I endeavor 100% to bring the Bible into the debate. Nothing else. And that's the problem. Because if you go against the Bible that's on you, but what I am seeing ,is me bringing the Bible ,and actually forcing people to go against it.

LOL! Are you kidding? You haven't exegeted even one verse this entire time and you say you're bringing the Bible? When do you plan on actually using the Bible to back up your claims? Your random gibberish and referencing a verse or two here and there does NOTHING to support your claims. Stop being lazy and take the time to actually exegete scripture and show how and why you interpret it like you do for once.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

More insightful generalities.

LOL!!! What a hypocrite you are. All you ever post are generalities. You are too lazy to exegete any scripture, so you just share opinions left and right without doing anything to back them up. Nothing at all. Stop your nonsense and babbling and start exegeting scripture for once. Nothing you say matters unless you actually do something to back it up with scripture, which you never do.

So invigorating!
Ever cracked a Bible???
Find one and let's go.

Yes, let's go. You can, for the first time ever, back up all your claims with the Bible. Go for it. Please. For once. Why don't you start by going through Matthew 25:1-13 verse by verse and showing exactly how and why you interpret it like you do while taking the time to look at other supporting scripture to show what happens to people like the foolish virgins who will say "Lord, Lord, open to us" when Jesus comes. Why don't you explain to everyone exactly how the foolish virgins represent Christians even though Jesus will say He doesn't know them.

I won't hold my breath

You don't exegete any scripture. At least, you never have. How about starting now?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nope nope nope
The foolish stay...fact
The wise are taken to the marriage chamber..fact
All Christians are martyred by the AC..fact.
The foolish are seen in heaven with dirty robes that had to be washed, after martyrdom, and mentioned in Rev 20 as not taking the mark.

Because you guys omit the church in heaven, confusion of verses is natural.

LOL. Speaking of foolish. Please explain to everyone how it's possible that Jesus would say to Christians that He doesn't know them like He will say to people who are represented in the parable in Matthew 25:1-13 by the foolish virgins after they say "Lord, Lord, open to us" (Matthew 25:11).

And explain what happens to them next after He tells them He doesn't know them. I'll help you with that. You can read the following to determine that:

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

They will be cast out where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Does that sound like something that will happen to Christians? No chance.

Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

As for your claim about omitting the church in heaven, that's a lie. The souls of the dead in Christ are part of the church and they are in heaven now.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That is an absolute lie. You do NOTHING to back up your claims with scripture. Absolutely NOTHING. You don't even try to exegete any scripture. I do that frequently. But, you're going to lie and try to say I diminish verse or omit them? That is a complete lie. I don't diminish any verses or omit any of them. g


LOL! Are you kidding? You haven't exegeted even one verse this entire time and you say you're bringing the Bible? When do you plan on actually using the Bible to back up your claims? Your random gibberish and referencing a verse or two here and there does NOTHING to support your claims. Stop being lazy and take the time to actually exegete scripture and show how and why you interpret it like you do for once.

Generalized nothingburger void of any verses