What is the one true Church?

[Marymog]

Who was invited to the Council of Nicaea?
Constantine had invited all 1800 episcopus of the Christian churches (about 1000 in the east and 800 in the west), but only 250 to 320 episcopus actually participated...episcopus if they were talking Latin....basically overseer. You are not going to be able to call them popes or bishops until the English language come into play.....1400s give or take a few decades.

Seven churches of Asia Minor....plus a few were invited. Meaning seven congregations...no congregation was calling themselves Catholic. Overall Christianity was refered to as the universal church.

Some Christians were writing about what they believed but no central body of leadership to declare it a doctrine until after 312 AD.

No popes in this era....probably the first people that were called popes were in the 15th century.....But certainly not until the word came into existence. I have went over these words in relation to the time period a few times. So I have to ask...is there something about the fact that they could not use a word until that word and language existed, that is going over your heads.

Oh goodness Grailhunter......Ok.....soooo according to you we can't call the men that were the overseers of churches "bishops" until the English language comes into play over 1,000 years later.....soooooo we can't call them "bishops" even though a "bishop" and an "overseer" are THE SAME THING..... episcopus - Wiktionary.

And The Pope wasn't a pope until the word pope came into existence Before that he was just a guy leading The Church.

I feel like I'm wasting my time with you so I will make my point and be done:

From historical writings we KNOW that Constantine called together the bishops of churches from various regions of the world. Those churches (what you call congregations) all adhered to the same basic doctrine. That same basic doctrine that was practiced then by the universal church (The Catholic Church) 2,000 years ago is still being practiced today by The Catholic and Eastern churches. The Protestant congregation that you belong to does not follow those doctrines.

Mary

 

[ChristisGod]

The spirit is primary.
The bible is secondary and refriential in my opinion.

The spirit does not operate apart from the Word. We are born again through the word as Peter and Paul declares in their epistles through the gospel. The spirit convicts and saves through the living and eternal word of God.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Grailhunter]

@Illuminator said, Again, find primary source evidence of an emperor telling the Pope what to teach on matters of faith and morals, or get off your "Catholic Roman Empire Church" bandwagon.
You and @BreadOfLife have the same way of looking at your religion as do many Catholics….your beliefs are delusional. If you see something you do not like in history, you just change it…no rules

If you want something to be in history, you just change it….no rules

What I mean by no rules….you can change anything you want with no concern about time periods, cultures, or languages or most importantly no concern with reality.

I think you may know better but, so it can be an intent to deceive or it could be a delusion within yourself. If you see a person in the past that you want to call a Pope, you just stick the word Pope there….when the word Pope is actually English and no one back then would have known what it meant or the implications because the English language did not exist yet. But you think there are people that are stupid enough to believe you. And that is the motive operandi of con artists….but you are not an artist….you are not that good. That is why I say your beliefs are delusional because the only one that believes you is you. I would say Catholics but not all Catholics are that stupid or try to con other people.

And it is acrossed the board, you take modern Catholic terms and titles and try to plant them in the past to try to insinuate that the Catholic Church existed before it actually did. It only works between your ears. And that is exactly what it is….a reality that only exists in your mind and it is called a delusion.

Your issues with the term Roman Catholic Church again is an attempt to reject reality. Most people would not even know the Roman politics that were in play behind the Ecumenical Councils and you play on their lack of knowledge….but it will not work with me.

The fact is the Roman Catholic Church, was very very connected to the Roman Empire. In fact the Pope referred to the Church as the Roman Catholic Church and if he does not know….who does? The difference between me and others is that I do not see the merging between the Church and the Roman Empire as a bad thing….the fact is the Roman Catholic Church and the Roman Empire were connected in just about every possible way that could be, every possible way! And at times the Emperors had a vested interest in the councils and called them together due to their interest. Which is another fact, as long as the Roman Empire existed all Ecumenical Councils convened at the command of the Emperor.

The 1st Ecumenical Council of Nicaea
The Council of Nicaea which was commanded to convene by Emperor Constantine in 325 AD. This was the first council in history to address a range of topics for and by the body of Christianity. He gave instructions for the Council to address various topics and he participated in the discussion.

1. To rule on Arianism.

2. To set the date for celebrating the resurrection of Christ originally called Pascha. Some sources say the naming of the holiday as Easter came from German around the 8th century.

3. To resolve disagreements arising from within the Church of Alexandria concerning the nature of Yeshua in his relationship to the Father: in particular, whether the Son had been 'begotten' by the Father from his own being, and therefore having no beginning, or else created out of nothing, and therefore having a beginning.

The 2nd Ecumenical Council
Emperor Theodosius the Great came to the imperial throne of the eastern part of the Roman Empire in 379. A strong supporter of the Nicene Faith, he wanted to help the Church finally put an end to the various forms of Arianism which had cropped up since the Council of Nicaea. So he commanded a council to convene.

The 3rd Ecumenical Council
The Council of Ephesus was a council of Christian bishops convened in Ephesus in AD 431. Which was convened by the command of the Roman Emperor Theodosius II.

The 4th Ecumenical Councils
Council of Chalcedon, fourth ecumenical council of the Christian church, held in Chalcedon in 451. Convoked by the Emperor Marcian, it was attended by about 520 bishops or their representatives and was the largest and best-documented of the early councils. This Ecumenical Council ignited the debate over Monophysitism that would last for over a century and would appear as a topic in other Ecumenical Councils.

The 5th Ecumenical Council
The 5th Ecumenical Council convened at the command of Emperor Justinian. The main work of the council was to confirm the condemnation issued by edict in 551 by the Emperor Justinian concerning Monophysitism.

Towards the end of his reign, Justinian to some extent withdrew from public affairs and was occupied with theological topics and issues. During this period both Emperor Justinian and his wife Empress Theodora were very involved with the religious politics behind the Council.

Then you have this….
Who made Christianity legal?
Who made the Catholic Church the state religion of the Roman Empire?
Who commanded the councils to assemble?
Who funded the Ecumenical Councils?
Who funded the Catholic Church?
Who funded the first Catholic Church buildings.
Who moved against the people that the Church declared as heretics
Who defended the Catholic Church....did the Priests fight the Pagan Visigoths and Ostrogoths Maguire horsemen, and Vikings.

The answer to all of these questions is the Roman Empire.

Who sets the dates for Christian Holidays….It was not a switch or an email message…LOL Emperor Constantine combined some of the Christian holidays with Pagan holidays to cut down the number of holidays that would disrupt commerce. How do we know that Emperor Constantine or other Emperors, set the dates for some of these holidays? Because the dates of the Christian holidays were set on the days that the Pagan holidays were already being celebrated.

And it goes further than this….there were things that the Roman Empire established that affected all of the world and all of history. The names of our months and days of the week come from Greco-Roman mythology. The names of the planets come from Greco-Roman mythology. A lot of our medical terms come from the Latin…. The symbol for the healing arts…. medical, the Caduceus, the winged staff with two snakes coiled around it, is the staff that Hermes carried.

Your objection to the title Roman Catholic Church goes against reality at several levels…completely delusional. It goes against how people referred to it and still refer to it in publications, documentaries, and the Pope himself. It goes against how it all happened…the facts that tie the Roman Catholic Church to the Roman Empire through the course of history. Again the facts regarding religion and history are not determined by what you like or dislike. If you do that you have formed an alternate reality, a religion of delusion … delusion in motion. It is the exact definition of delusional…..

The delusional mental state is characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgments about an external reality that is held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, and it is typically of a symptom of a mental condition.

 

[MatthewG]

The spirit is very different than a material product that is referenced @Christophany

 

[ChristisGod]

The spirit is very different than a material product that is referenced @Christophany

And the Spirit does not contradict Gods word. Notice the connection between the Spirit, Scripture and the mind below and how they are all interconnected.

I shared this with our mens discipleship group at church that meets on Thursday mornings at 5am every week.

The Spirit. Scripture and the Mind. A check up from the neck up! The Mind is a Battlefield.

Battlefield means the field or ground upon which a battle is fought. 2. and area of contention, conflict, or hostile opposition.” A battlefield is a place of hostile opposition. A battlefield is a place where battles are won and lost. Everyday – every moment – there is a battle going on in our minds between right and wrong, good and bad, God’s way or Satan’s way, the Spirit or the flesh. It is our wills that determine who wins control of our minds, and because actions follow thoughts, ultimately who wins control of our very lives

The enemy attacked Eve in her mind/reasoning and tried the same with Jesus. He tried to cause doubt with Gods word and succeeded with Eve (did God really say? And you will not surely die) and he failed with Jesus. He attacks us today in the same way. The sword of the spirit which is the word of God is our only offensive weapon and defense against our enemy. Jesus did not use Hid Divine power as God to defeat satan, He used the same means we have at our disposal to defeat the enemy- the Word of God!

1-We must know Gods Word- Jesus used Gods word against the enemy.

2-We must memorize Gods Word. Ps 119:11, Ps 37:31, Ps 40:8

3- We must meditate on Gods Word- Joshua 1:8, Ps 1:2, Ps 119:147-48

4- We must use Gods Word- John 14:26. It is written was Jesus’ response. Matt 4:1-11

5- We must train ourselves in Gods Word- discipline, training, practice. 1 Tim 4:7, 1 Cor 9:25-27, 2 Tim 2:1-7.

Sow a thought and you reap an action; sow an act and you reap a habit; sow a habit and you reap a character; sow a character and you reap a destiny.” Our destiny is tied directly to and starts with our thoughts.

Romans 8:5-14-Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God

Colossians 3:1-10- Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on the things that are above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.5 Therefore, treat the parts of your earthly body as dead to sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you also, rid yourselves of all of them: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene speech from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you stripped off the old self with its evil practices, 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created it

1 Peter 1:13-16 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.

Galatians 5:16-18- So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16- However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,


what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Romans 12:1-2-Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Ephesians 4:17-25-Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

Philippians 2:1-5 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Philippians 4:8-Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.

Proverbs 4:23- Be careful how you think; your life is shaped by your thoughts.

Proverbs 23:7- As a man thinks in his heart so is he. Cf Deut 4:9, Proverbs 4. Col 3:23, Prov 22:29


hope this helps !!!

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the true church is made up of many congregations... In which we all have our issues. I would not want to recommend a congregation these days without knowing the senior pastor. I consider myself Wesleyan Holiness and enjoyed hearing of the Asbury University revival. Asbury University consider themselves Wesleyan Holiness and in their chapel are the words, “Holiness Unto The Lord”

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out… - Revelation 3:12

I also believe the Wesleyan revival as something they had a hard time abiding in, which is why there are so many denominations and independent churches…

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

 

[Grailhunter]

Oh goodness Grailhunter......Ok.....soooo according to you we can't call the men that were the overseers of churches "bishops" until the English language comes into play over 1,000 years later.....soooooo we can't call them "bishops" even though a "bishop" and an "overseer" are THE SAME THING..... episcopus - Wiktionary.

You can say they were like a Bishop but if you say they held the title of Bishop it is incorrect and depending on your intent can be an attempt to deceive. And if you believe it you are suffering from delusion. The word implies a lot more than what was going on in early Christianity....There was no office of Bishop or Pope. Christianity was a religion in hiding....Overseers and Christian congregations meeting in homes, tombs or out in the wilderness...no real organization.

And The Pope wasn't a pope until the word pope came into existence Before that he was just a guy leading The Church.

There was no Pope...back then. Leaders of the Churches were known as overseers.

From historical writings we KNOW that Constantine called together the bishops of churches from various regions of the world. Those churches (what you call congregations) all adhered to the same basic doctrine. That same basic doctrine that was practiced then by the universal church (The Catholic Church) 2,000 years ago is still being practiced today by The Catholic and Eastern churches. The Protestant congregation that you belong to does not follow those doctrines.

I call them congregations because there were no Christian church buildings. I do not call them congregations the scriptures describe them as assemblies. Christians assembling....where ever it was....people's homes....tombs...out in the wilderness. When you say Church people think of a building and that is not true until after 312 AD.
See post 2403.
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[MatthewG]

No one said it ever did

 

[MatthewG]

There’s a big difference between with the spirit does, and what people simply believe because of the Bible. The spiritual qualities are noted with in the Bible of what the effects are of the spirit. It has nothing to do with like what people believe.

 

[rockytopva]

I recommend that people "cut their teeth" on the Word of Faith. Moving on to whatever congregation the Lord would have you in once the faith is in place... Faith... Your not going anywhere with God without it!

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. - 1 John 5:4

 

[MatthewG]

No doubt @rockytopva

Studying and heeding the word of God through the narrative of working through the Jewish people is amazing,

And it is only faith that overcomes the workd; even our fleshly proclivity when submitting oneself to God to have the spirit move a person in love.


Cause i dint care what denomination anyone is from.


To seek out truth should be a priority.

 

[Illuminator]

I believe the true church is made up of many congregations... In which we all have our issues. I would not want to recommend a congregation these days without knowing the senior pastor. I consider myself Wesleyan Holiness and enjoyed hearing of the Asbury University revival. Asbury University consider themselves Wesleyan Holiness and in their chapel are the words, “Holiness Unto The Lord”

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out… - Revelation 3:12

I also believe the Wesleyan revival as something they had a hard time abiding in, which is why there are so many denominations and independent churches…

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

I think people who abuse Revelation to bash Catholicism are spiritually and mentally sick. What promotes more division and more hostilities is not of God.

 

[MatthewG]

I think people who abuse Revelation to bash Catholicism are spiritually and mentally sick. What promotes more division and more hostilities is not of God.

Some people can just be mentally ill as well; which is something to keep in mind. All of sick in need of a cure; yeshua. There are individuals with autistic traits, too. Even narasscisitic.

 

[rockytopva]

But... The church experienced profound changes with time...

Messianic
Martyr
Orthodox
Catholic
Protestant
Methodist
Charismatic

All very much different in their time and geography. And I prefer not to promote one above the other.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You have demonstrated a health dose of denial throughout the form.
Your understanding of the Catholic Church exists as a fantasy between your ears.
You cannot change the past and you are not going to change the perceptions ….for right now….so concentrate on blazing a good path for the future. Christianity is about forgiveness and I forgive the Catholic Church….the Catholics in the pews were always good. And there are some Protestants out there that are smart enough to know that the Protestant churches learned something about what not to do from the Catholic Church. God bless the Catholic Church.

No - I haven't "denied" a thing.
I simply won't let YOU rewrite history. You keep insisting that the Church and the Papacy didn't exist until the 4th century - even AFTER I produced document after document PROVING you wrong.

I've been the first one to admit that there were some very bad men in Church history.
YOU, on the other hand was to pretend that the first few centuries were devoid of this.

Your posts consist of so many wrong perceptions I need to start keeping track.
1. It is not wrong for Catholics to call the Bread and Wine Ritual the Eucharist.....some call it Communion....I call it the Bread and Wine Ritual. Whatever label we use is fine.

And this is PRECISELY why you’re not invited to partake in the Eucharist.

2. The Bible does not single out Catholics for the Bread and Wine Ritual....it is for believers..... Then you have to define believers in what? The Bible does not explain exactly all the aspects of the Bread and Wine Ritual.....All we were told is that if you do not participate in the Ritual you have no life in you and will not be raised at the end of time. I am not entirely sure if we could comprehend all the aspects of the Bread and Wine Ritual.

Once again – YOU are NOT a believer, and therefore, NOT invited to partake of the Eucharist.

If you don’t believe what it IS – then you don’t get any.

And it is people like you that hold the church back and keep it from growing. And I am not just talking about the Catholic Church I am talking about the Protestant Church too. As far as Christ is concerned their is no distinction between men and women, just children of God.

Then, why were there no female Apostles?

Was Jesus a sexist – or are there different ROLES for men and women?
Can a woman be a father – or a man a mother?

Just because YOU don’t have a clue doesn’t mean that GOD doesn’t . . .

Most of the doctrines of the Catholic Church are drivel and proposed by mad men that little understanding of the heart of Christ and the spirit of Christianity.

Such as?
Care to elaborate? OR, is this just another cowardly hit-and-run post?

Well maybe you can educate me on this. I was raised in the Catholic Church and have been in Catholic Churches in Missouri and up and down the eastern seaboard and in five countries and have never seen a full immersion baptismal. Could just be a coincidence? Send me a picture of a full immersion Catholic baptismal. I am not above learning something.

The Church Baptizes adults by full immersion at just about EVERY Church on Holy Saturday annually.

Do your homework . . .

Yes crotch sniffing needs to stop. Christianity is not a crotch religion.
The Holy Spirit needs to touch the hearts of Christians and at least learn the bare basics of Christianity....if they cannot love each other all they believe means nothing and all the words in the scriptures have meant nothing to them. Just giving Christ lip service in believing that they love one another.

Clearly, you’re using a disgusting term like “crotch-sniffing” for shock purposes because you’re your response above doesn’t explain the need for it.

After exposing your lies for the last few weeks, it is blindingly clear that you are woefully-ignorant about ALL things Catholic and my hammering you with the facts has left you somewhat bitter.

I can only suggest that you either get another hobby – or do some homework to avoid embarrassing yourself any further . . .

 

[MatthewG]

Best bet not to even attack other people from different faith backgrounds.



Only thing that please God is faith.


Fighting and bickering dont please God.


In fact as children of God its our flesh and spirit that is more active the spiritual mature, son or daughter of God.



Children fight constantly. And moan, just take a toy away from them.

 

[Grailhunter]

No - I haven't "denied" a thing.
I simply won't let YOU rewrite history. You keep insisting that the Church and the Papacy didn't exist until the 4th century - even AFTER I produced document after document PROVING you wrong.

I've been the first one to admit that there were some very bad men in Church history.
YOU, on the other hand was to pretend that the first few centuries were devoid of this.

You have not produced anything that defined the Church as existing before 312 Ad and you can not produce anything that proves it existed before 312 AD because it did not exist before 312 AD. All you have is a delusion in your mind.

I've been the first one to admit that there were some very bad men in Church history.
YOU, on the other hand was to pretend that the first few centuries were devoid of this.

Some bad men! You funny! Most of these atrocities were driven by the Pope and others in the leadership of the Catholic Church.
In 1227 Pope Gregory IX appointed the first judges delegate as inquisitors for heretical depravity—many, though not all, of whom were Dominican and Franciscan friars. Papal inquisitors had authority over everyone except bishops and their officials.

In 1478 Pope Sixtus IV issued a papal bull, or decree, authorizing the Catholic Monarchs to name inquisitors in order to enforce religious uniformity and to expel Jews from Spain.

Rome renewed its own Inquisition in 1542 when Pope Paul III created the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition to combat Protestant heresy.

Estimates of the number killed by the Spanish Inquisition, which Pope Sixtus IV authorized in a papal bull in 1478, have ranged from 30,000 to 300,000. Some historians are convinced that millions died.

It is the death tolls that are hard to confirm. Since most of the Inquisitions and witch trials and tortures and executions were witnessed and documented by clergy, that information is probably in the Vatican Library. I have run a crossed some pretty high numbers...like over a million, but it is hard to get all the information because some included privateers that charged towns to come in and run trials and tortures and murders. Some would target widows that had money or property and charge them for the torture and execution taking their money and property. It is a dark time for the Church and a dark time in history in general. Some of it had to do with superstitious hysteria and some was just criminal.

And this is PRECISELY why you’re not invited to partake in the Eucharist.

I nor any Christian needs your initiation. This again is the dark side of the Church, thinking it had authority over salvation and our relationship with God.

Then, why were there no female Apostles?

Was Jesus a sexist – or are there different ROLES for men and women?
Can a woman be a father – or a man a mother?

Just because YOU don’t have a clue doesn’t mean that GOD doesn’t . . .

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28....Was Paul just kidding...then how much of the Bible are we going to consider a joke?

Christ and the Apostles did not denounce slavery...should we still have slaves.

One of the reasons I am not Bible only is because I believe Christianity advanced.

Where there female Apostles? I believe they were with Christ at the cross when the men called Apostles were hiding.
Messiah means anointed one....only females anointed Christ.
It was the females that financed Christ's ministry.
It was females that were at the tomb.
The women followers of Christ believed and had faith....Christ had to prove to the men that He had resurrected.
What means more...to have a title or what you do....
The Apostles did not believe that Christ would resurrect....they first thought was that He was a ghost.

Clearly, you’re using a disgusting term like “crotch-sniffing” for shock purposes because you’re your response above doesn’t explain the need for it.

After exposing your lies for the last few weeks, it is blindingly clear that you are woefully-ignorant about ALL things Catholic and my hammering you with the facts has left you somewhat bitter.

I can only suggest that you either get another hobby – or do some homework to avoid embarrassing yourself any further . .

People can read this and check it out and know I am telling the truth.....all you have is a delusion in your mind.

Such as?
Care to elaborate? OR, is this just another cowardly hit-and-run post?

Pretty much a sweeping statement....if you want go over each one....pull them up.

The Church Baptizes adults by full immersion at just about EVERY Church on Holy Saturday annually.

Do your homework . . .

Give me some pictures.....take me to school....always like to learn things.
As I have said, I raised Catholic....went to church six days a week....been in a lot of churches in the US and in several countries.

Clearly, you’re using a disgusting term like “crotch-sniffing” for shock purposes because you’re your response above doesn’t explain the need for it.

After exposing your lies for the last few weeks, it is blindingly clear that you are woefully-ignorant about ALL things Catholic and my hammering you with the facts has left you somewhat bitter.

I can only suggest that you either get another hobby – or do some homework to avoid embarrassing yourself any further .

You so funny....
The desire of the Catholic Church to control people....They have no right to restrict contraception or sex between married people. Where do think this came from

 

[Marymog]

You can say they were like a Bishop but if you say they held the title of Bishop it is incorrect and depending on your intent can be an attempt to deceive. And if you believe it you are suffering from delusion. The word implies a lot more than what was going on in early Christianity....There was no office of Bishop or Pope. Christianity was a religion in hiding....Overseers and Christian congregations meeting in homes, tombs or out in the wilderness...no real organization.

There was no Pope...back then. Leaders of the Churches were known as overseers.


I call them congregations because there were no Christian church buildings. I do not call them congregations the scriptures describe them as assemblies. Christians assembling....where ever it was....people's homes....tombs...out in the wilderness. When you say Church people think of a building and that is not true until after 312 AD.
See post 2403.
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You crack me up Grailhunter....

 

[Grailhunter]

You crack me up Grailhunter....

I would imagine that the truth would seem pretty shocking to you.

 

[rockytopva]

The Merrimac Pentecostal Holiness church… If any were to say my church was far inferior to yours, the one true church… I would have to hang my head in great sorrow and agree! But in our time we would have given you the run for the money!