What is the 2nd resurrection after the 1000 year Millennium

[Davy]

The following Hebrews 4:12 verse is DIRECTLY RELATED to the difference between our existence in the flesh vs. our existence in the heavenly.

And thus it is directly related also to the world to come, of which the resurrection of the wicked is also involved when they are NO LONGER BURIED IN GRAVES.

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

The above verse reveals God made us in 3 PARTS: a soul, a spirit, and flesh (or joints and marrow).

When our flesh dies, it begins decaying immediately going back to the earthly elements where God made it from. It is NO MORE, and it is NOT THE PART OF US THAT IS RESURRECTED.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul revealed that if... our flesh house were dissolved, that we have ANOTHER BODY, not made with hands, but from God eternal in the heavens. That Scripture says we have that another body in the PRESENT TENSE; it does not mean we will only be given it in the future. That is about our 'soul' and 'spirit' part that already DWELLS inside our flesh body today. Our soul and spirit exists together, and leaves our flesh body when our flesh dies, as revealed in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7.

And on the day of Christ's future coming, God is going to melt the things of this flesh world off the surface of this earth. This is why after Christ's future return, the ONLY KIND OF DEATH mentioned is the "SECOND DEATH" which those of the "resurrection of damnation" will still be under throughout Christ's 1,000 years reign. Those represent the UNSAVED in that future world to come after Jesus returns, and it is THOSE WHO WILL BE UNDER CHRIST'S "ROD OF IRON" throughout that 1,000 years.

Thus "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 ARE resurrected on the day of Christ's future return, like He said in John 5:28-29, and they WILL go through His "thousand years" reign, and be under His "rod of iron" throughout that period. This is because that "the dead" phrase for that time is NOT meant they are still in the grave, but that their SOUL/SPIRIT is still in a LIABLE TO PERISH condition at... the "SECOND DEATH"! (Apostle Paul showed this difference in the Greek of 1 Corinthians 15:53-54).

At the end of Rev.20 we are told the "second death" is the casting into the future "lake of fire" that only will happen AFTER Christ's future "thousand years" reign, and after God's Great White Throne Judgment.

Just what is it, that GOES INTO THAT FUTURE "LAKE OF FIRE"?

NOT FLESH! but soul-spirit of the UNSAVED who will still REJECT Jesus Christ! Included will be Satan and his angels, WHICH NEVER HAD A FLESH BODY!

Thus the "SECOND DEATH" IS NOT ABOUT ANY RESURRECTION, but DESTRUCTION OF THE SOUL-SPIRIT PART of the UNSAVED.

1 Cor 15:49
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
KJV

Ask yourself, have the wicked also borne the image of the earthy?

Yes! of course! They ALSO shall bear the image of the heavenly too!

The difference is that the CONDITION the wicked will still be in, is a LIABLE TO PERISH condition, at the SECOND DEATH.

 

[Hobie]

It does not say both rise at the same time. Rev 20 is clear some rise first, while the rest rise after the Mill.

Yes, need to read precept upon precept, line upon line, not just a snippet here or there and fall into confusion or worse as many do..

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes, need to read precept upon precept, line upon line, not just a snippet here or there and fall into confusion or worse as many do..

I thought that they fell backwards off of their perch because they developed precept upon precept, line upon line and could not get up again because they had chosen to experience the second death when they will stand before Christ at the final judgement.

 

[Hobie]

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates in this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

He did not say the resurrection of the just and unjust. He said only the just. Again, this is evidence of two separate resurrections. The resurrection of the just is only of the just, no one else.

What we learn from these verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.



We also see here that the saved/righteous are resurrected first, and at some time later the unsaved are resurrected and judged.

What these verses do not tell us is how much time is inbetween the two. For that we have to go to Revelation 20 where Christ tells John there is a thousand years inbetween. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished". There we have the dead separated into two groups. One who are saved and will be resurrected and judged first, like Dan 12:2 and Joh 5:29 show, and the other group that has to wait until the thousand years are finished before they are resurrected and judged.




This is Premill through and through.

Amill errs on the first two passages because it ignores the information in Revelation 20 about the time inbetween and wrongly interprets that the saved and unsaved are resurrected and judged at the same time on the same day which simply isn't the case. This is why one needs to involve all passages that deal with the resurrections and judgments rather than focusing on some and not others, namely information found in Revelation. During the canonization process it was an Amill that did not want Revelation to be canonized. Revelation supports the Premill type of view so it's no surprise there was an effort to deny it's canonization.

The earliest identified Amillennialist is a presbyter in Rome in the third century, named Gaius, who as a Catholic opposed the canonization of the book of Revelation. After that, the Alexandrian school gave rise to several Amillennialists in the mid-third century, with its emphasis on allegorical and spiritual hermeneutics. Amillennialism is a Catholic invention! Amillennialism did not exist before the 3rd century. All the earlier church fathers were Chilastics which was Premillinialism before that term was created.


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,



There will come a time/hour that all baseball teams will play against another team but that doesn't mean all on the same day. A time will come for all the dead to be raised. First, the dead in Christ rise, then after a thousand years "the rest of the dead" will rise. That's what we find when looking at all of the related passages. Leaving the most important passage out of this is clear error.

Another analogy:

"For the hour is coming, in which all who start and complete highschool shall graduate."

No one would argue that every single person who completes highschool will all graduate the same hour, or same day, or even the same year. Obviously, freshmen don't graduate when seniors do.



To understand this even more fully the word "hour" must be understood:

"hour" can be any amount of time since it can be literal or figurative:

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ho¯ra
ho'-rah
Apparently a primary word; an “hour” (literally or figuratively): - day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.
Total KJV occurrences: 108

It's been translated as hour, day and even season.

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

So, in this unknown amount of time there will be two resurrections. First (called the first resurrection) the dead in Christ will be resurrected. Then much later in this same "hora", at it's end, will the second and last resurrection take place and that's "the rest of the dead" who did not rise with the first group

Very detailed explanation and absolutely what the scripture tells us if one reads rather than private interpretation or ideas given them or worse..

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Very detailed explanation and absolutely what the scripture tells us if one reads rather than private interpretation or ideas given them or worse..

I beg to differ. It's very detailed and wrong because of extreme doctrinal bias. His explanation for John 5:28-29 is absolutely ridiculous. To turn the coming hour when all of the dead will be resurrected into a long period of time can't be taken seriously. Daniel 12:1-2 also shows that both the saved and lost will be resurrected at the same time, so why would he interpret John 5:28-29 in such a way to contradict Daniel 12:1-2?

Tell me, do you accept when scripture tells us that the first resurrection was Christ's resurrection?

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Since Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection, that means having part in the first resurrection is to have part in Christ's resurrection which we do spiritually when we become saved.

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

 

[Hobie]

I beg to differ. It's very detailed and wrong because of extreme doctrinal bias. His explanation for John 5:28-29 is absolutely ridiculous. To turn the coming hour when all of the dead will be resurrected into a long period of time can't be taken seriously. Daniel 12:1-2 also shows that both the saved and lost will be resurrected at the same time, so why would he interpret John 5:28-29 in such a way to contradict Daniel 12:1-2?

Tell me, do you accept when scripture tells us that the first resurrection was Christ's resurrection?

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

1 Corinthians 15:20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Since Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection, that means having part in the first resurrection is to have part in Christ's resurrection which we do spiritually when we become saved.

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

That is a period of time in that context much as we see Christ saying the hour is come that would scatter them.

John 16:32
Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

The first resurrection is at the Second Coming so not much you can say that would differ...

John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Revelation 20:5-6
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.