What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

[Ritajanice]

Adam died th moment he sinned, At that moment we all (even though we had not been born yet) died also.

Did he, that’s not what God’s word says?..he went on to have children?

If you meant he died “ spiritually “ then please clarify?...

Just a commentary ,I don’t think it’s biblical.

Adam and Eve's Separation from God Their physical condition changed as a result of their eating the forbidden fruit. As God had promised, they became mortal. They and their children would experience sickness, pain, and physical death. Because of their transgression, Adam and Eve also suffered spiritual death.

Genesis 5​

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King James Version​

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5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope. The saying that only some men are given the gift of accepting is "its better not to be married"--same as Paul says in 1 Co 7 ("but each man has his own gift"). That's why Jesus goes on to talk about eunuchs.

Jesus made a statement,

His comment was made concerning his statement, Not concerning what the disciples said..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Okay, and I've read your other post too about clothing, I do believe I know what you're saying...

So, your right and your wrong about God wearing us. It's just a little upside down because your not thinking of something...

It's not mindless, it's never mindless, and never based on anything but our love for Him, and for what He did for us.

We were forgiven MUCH!

So much it's mind-blowing, most people don't even realize the half, I'm sure I don't even recognize the half of what I was forgiven. and what does Scripture say about those who are forgiven much?

We love much...

So everything is based completely on that.

Yes, God absolutely has to open our hearts to His understanding, but once we really understand? Is there another option we would even want to make?

it's so beyond imagining that anyone even could, honestly. Could you just go back to your old life and pretend none of this matters to you? Just the idea is laughable.

I may not do this thing God has given me perfectly, but I'd die before I'd give it up.

So back to clothes. The Bible compares what we do with Christ is to put Him on like clothing, Christ is the clothes in Scripture.

Why is He the clothes and not us? Because it's not mindless.

if it was mindless we'd be open to unclean spirits and wouldn't be able to discern, because the flesh is still here.

Think of that... For real, it's important because we do see it all the time, the end of mindless openness to things that would wear us.

So what do you have all around you as someone who believes as we do?

Is there any of us who is not surrounded by religious materials with which to find checks and balances to what the Holy Spirit leads us to?

We are constantly in the Scriptures .. We talk to our brothers and sisters before setting out, we read the historical men of God.

there's nothing about this we are not actively and mindfully participating in, in such a way that while it is God's work, it's still us wearing the clothes, instead of the other way around.

Remember in the garden.

God clothed Adam and Eve and "COVERED" their nakedness.

what a great picture of being covered in Christ. Our nakedness (sin) covered.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did he, that’s not what God’s word says?..he went on to have children?

If you meant he died “ spiritually “ then please clarify?...

Just a commentary ,I don’t think it’s biblical.

Adam and Eve's Separation from God Their physical condition changed as a result of their eating the forbidden fruit. As God had promised, they became mortal. They and their children would experience sickness, pain, and physical death. Because of their transgression, Adam and Eve also suffered spiritual death.

Genesis 5​

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King James Version​

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5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

God said the moment you sin, you will die

Now either God lied.. Or Adam died the moment he sinned.

In adam all die.. We were all (maybe some of us still are) dead, in tresspasses and sins, and we all must be made alive (born again) if we are to be restored to God.

Physical death was a byproduct of sin, as with sickness, poverty, evil and all the other things we deal with.

the spirit result of unbelief is death (seperation) from God

 

[Ritajanice]

God said the moment you sin, you will die

Now either God lied.. Or Adam died the moment he sinned.

In adam all die.. We were all (maybe some of us still are) dead, in tresspasses and sins, and we all must be made alive (born again) if we are to be restored to God.

Physical death was a byproduct of sin, as with sickness, poverty, evil and all the other things we deal with.

the spirit result of unbelief is death (seperation) from God

Our body starts to die in the flesh as soon as we are Born.

Our Spirit that was “ spiritually dead” comes alive when our spirit becomes Born Again, which is the spiritual rebirth, only God can make our spirit come Alive in Christ..my opinion.

Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

 

[Ritajanice]

the spirit result of unbelief is death (seperation) from God

Spiritual death is being alienated from God..our spirit needs to be Born Again...we inherited the sin of Adam, then we inherit the Life in Christ...the second Adam who came so that we can be reconciled back to God, by his Spirit...that’s why we need to be Born Of The Spirit...my opinion.

By his death and resurrection, without that, we could never be Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Our body starts to die in the flesh as soon as we are Born.

Our Spirit that was “ spiritually dead” comes alive when our spirit becomes Born Again, which is the spiritual rebirth, only God can make our spirit come Alive in Christ..my opinion.

It seems we agree. Thank you for showing that we are born dead, and must be made alive

 

[Ritajanice]

It seems we agree. Thank you for showing that we are born dead, and must be made alive

No, our spirit wasn’t born dead...it was born alienated from the Spirit of God.

We had a spirit that came from God...it was alienated from his Spirit,..that’s why we need our spirit to be Born Again, we’ve always had a spirit that came from God...

 

[JBO]

It seems we agree. Thank you for showing that we are born dead, and must be made alive

Nah, we weren't born dead, we became dead in our trespasses and sins.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, our spirit wasn’t born dead...it was born alienated from the Spirit of God.

Which is spiritual death

We had a spirit that came from God...it was alienated from his Spirit,..that’s why we need our spirit to be Born Again, we’ve always had a spirit that came from God...

If your already alive, you do not need to be raised from the dead (spiritually)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nah, we weren't born dead, we became dead in our trespasses and sins.

Nah

we were born dead,

In adam all Die..

all means all. Not just those who have sinned

 

[JBO]

Nah

we were born dead,

In adam all Die..

all means all. Not just those who would later sin

So then what does "....so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men" (Rom 5:18) mean? Does all mean all, not just those who would believe?

 

[Ritajanice]

Which is spiritual death

If your already alive, you do not need to be raised from the dead (spiritually)

I said, we were born with a spirit, that came from God, our spirit was spiritually dead, it was alienated from God’s spirit....

When you were born, did you have a spirit that came from God?

By the way @Eternally Grateful my spirit has already been raised from the dead in spirit, when I became Born Of The Spirit?

My spirit is not under death it’s under grace?

The spirit I was born with, became Alive with Christ ..therefore my resurrected body will be like the one Jesus has?

Romans 6:14​

“For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So then what does "....so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men" (Rom 5:18) mean? Does all mean all, not just those who would believe?

It means that the cross of Christ, that righteous act. is so powerful it can save all men.

It does not mean it will.. One must be born again for this new life to take affect.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I said, we were born with a spirit, that came from God, our spirit was spiritually dead, it was alienated from God’s spirit....

which is exactly what I have been saying, we were born with a dead spirit, which means we were separated from God

 

[Ritajanice]

It means that the cross of Christ, that righteous act. is so powerful it can save all men.

It does not mean it will.. One must be born again for this new life to take affect.

Only the Holy Spirit can save after the death and resurrection of Jesus?

No death or resurrection of Jesus..no Holy Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

which is exactly what I have been saying, we were born with a dead spirit, which means we were separated from God

Our spirit was NOT dead...we wouldn’t be living in sin if it were dead, it was “ spiritually dead” alienated from God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only the Holy Spirit can save after the death and resurrection of Jesus?

No death or resurrection of Jesus..no Holy Spirit.

not sure what you mean

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Our spirit was NOT dead...we wouldn’t be living in sin if it were dead, it was “ spiritually dead” alienated from God.

I know. you do not get it.

I can not help you understand, you must see for yourself

I am physically alive, But I am at the same time spiritually dead.

And I will be until I am born again (if I was not already born again)

Its basic..

 

[Ritajanice]

not sure what you mean

Ok..let’s leave it at that...only God can show us his truth...I can’t show anyone Gods truth.

All of us on the forum are at different levels of understanding...none of us are superior to the other.

God Bless.