What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[Enoch111]

Do you think that this reference in 1 Tim is about the physical man Jesus?

How can it not be about the "physical man"? "The flesh" in this context means "a human body". But it was God the Word (the second person of the Trinity) who took a human body. But He never lost His deity for one moment.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I gave 2 verses that say a man had to do what you call the ultimate sacrifice. Can you give me 2 verses that say a god-man had to do it?

I give you the whole Bible. Jesus is the Word, the exact expression of God. Everything the Bible tells us about the nature of God, perfectly defines Jesus. The whole Bible is about Him, the Messiah, the Savior. God saves us. A mere man cannot save the world, not even an angel.

 

[quietthinker]

God didn't create your prostate issue, and not everything that says "bible" on the cover, is one.
And before i forget, thank's for sharing that with us.
Your prostate issue is related to your age.
See a Urologist.
They can help you, or, just keep making those trips to the bathroom.
You have Free Will, so, use it wisely, if possible.

I can't for the life of me figure out why 'Christians' are so naive. They are meant to be on top of the game; sharp, insightful and present.
Are you not aware that my post about peeing 6 times a day was setting you up.
Why did I do this? because of your cock sure posts.......spruiking off like you have a direct line to God yet you can't discern something as pathetic as my post.

 

[Jack]

What benefit did it produce when God made Moses God to Pharaoh?

God didn't. He made Moses "as God" to Pharaoh. Huge difference.
Exodus 7
1 So the LORD said to Moses: "See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh,

 

[MatthewG]

We share what we believe because the Bible tells us what is truth for our faith and belief in God.


John 16:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Remember the passage about the narrow way?

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.''

Two points there in that verse.
The narrow way is Jesus.

''Those that find it are few'', refers to those whom God called to himself before the foundation of the world.


Someone else said there is no scripture telling Christian's go to Heaven. They also deny Jesus was divine, God, The Word made flesh.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Exodus 3:14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’'

Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John 14:6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

I do. Which is why I know you're wrong. Because the scriptures don't say what you believe to be true.

Isaiah 43:11 I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.

Do you think Jesus had a sin nature?

Okay I’ll be wrong.

 

[MatthewG]

Well Matthew, that's when you have gird up your loins and be a man!

Search the Scriptures to see what is truth and what's not.

Read to find what the theologians say and why. Go back to the old paths.

You can't run from it if you want to participate on these boards.

Eh… @Charlie24 I have no problem with scripture.

I don’t really hate anyone one.

I do hate religion
man made traditions
Having conversations with highly religious people (who think they are better than others)

Those are three things I hate…

So sure we all state our opinions like @Blue Dragonfly's comment that “he knows I am wrong”

All these things to me are like a joke…

It is also like Christians against other believers who have a differing view that isn’t traditional.


both of you know where to find truth via by the spirit…

So when someone comes shared with me what they believe on here my initial response is…

Great. Love you either way… because the online communication lacks an aspect of face to face interactions, and people can always be demeaning… I don’t come on here to really be taught by anyone… if something is learned praise be to God… Can share our views and move on…

 

[BeyondET]

That is precisely why I said "in any natural way." lol

It is a natural way tadpole into egg, just because a doctor preforms what happens naturally with the natural parts that are from both doesn't make it not natural it's not natural as you know it I guess.

 

[BeyondET]

On earth as it is in heaven...

Since we don't have a clear picture of 'how it is in heaven' all we can do is surmise what it might be like, based on what we see on earth. On earth we have a man and a woman who unite and so joined together bring forth offspring. So if you really want to catch a glimpse of a kind of trinity, there it is... A father, a mother, and the child that is produced by their union.

Catch a glimpse of a octopus the being has three hearts and nine brains that can act independently or collectively all in one body.

God has 3 hearts and 3 brains spiritually that each can move across the universe in separate directions in a blink of an eye.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

 

[Matthias]

God didn't. He made Moses "as God" to Pharaoh. Huge difference.
Exodus 7
1 So the LORD said to Moses: "See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh,

The “as” is generally placed in italics in translations which resort to it. Why? It isn’t in the text. It is added by translators. No one reading “God made Moses God to Pharaoh” imagined that Moses was literally God. Moses was God’s agent / representative. He stood in God’s place - not by his doing but by God’s.

Now see Moses typology.

God made Jesus as God to us.

As you say, huge difference.

 

[Wrangler]

So far nobody.

I’ve explained this is not a threads. Like global warming alarmists, Who endlessly go on about ‘the science,’ STILL can’t admit it’s about politics when you can concede. Suppose everything about ‘the science’ is true, then what?

trinitarians demand that scripture only be interpreted by imposing its doctrine onto unitarian text is the same way. When somebody like you comes along and asks the next question, what is the benefit of believing God is three in one, they have no answer.

 

[amigo de christo]

All I know is that Jesus was learning to be God - in which when everything had been placed underneath the feet of Jesus, and Jesus handed everything back to God, that God would be all in all, and thus Jesus - the Word of God - the only begotten Son - became the Lord God Almighty.

He was a man, and the very Word of God - was with-in the man named Jesus...

That is new age . Jesus was not LEARNING to BE GOD . He is the word of GOD and GOD is His word .

 

[Mr E]

What???

That's confusing to you? How a man and a woman come together and make a baby?

If you don't understand earthly things-- how will I speak to you of heavenly things?

“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" John 3:12

 

[Mr E]

How can it not be about the "physical man"? "The flesh" in this context means "a human body". But it was God the Word (the second person of the Trinity) who took a human body. But He never lost His deity for one moment.

1 Timothy 3 at it's ending speaks not of the flesh, but of he who was revealed in the flesh. Do you see the difference? It's like if I hand you a bottle of wine and tell you it's the best there ever was, I'm not talking about the bottle, but what is in the bottle.

Yes-- a human body. An ordinary bottle. -but it's what's inside that counts.

 

[Charlie24]

That's confusing to you? How a man and a woman come together and make a baby?

If you don't understand earthly things-- how will I speak to you of heavenly things?

“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" John 3:12

OK

 

[TLHKAJ]

It is a natural way tadpole into egg, just because a doctor preforms what happens naturally with the natural parts that are from both doesn't make it not natural it's not natural as you know it I guess.

Natural, as.in ..the way God designed conception and reproduction. There is no place in scripture that says we are to reproduce by going to a doctor to have eggs and sperm extracted and produce a baby in a dish. ...or any other way they do it. It is unnatural. God created our bodies with the ability to reproduce His way.

 

[Mr E]

The “as” is generally placed in italics in translations which resort to it. Why? It isn’t in the text. It is added by translators. No one reading “God made Moses God to Pharaoh” imagined that Moses was literally God. Moses was God’s agent / representative. He stood in God’s place - not by his doing but by God’s.

Now see Moses typology.

God made Jesus as God to us.

As you say, huge difference.

The life of Moses is such an interesting study. He really was in effect 'God with us' --- in effect. Of course Moses wasn't God, he just played the role. Imagine a character in a play who assumed the role he was playing in real life... that's Moses. And that was his great error- the one that kept him out of the promised land. It would be like Chris Hemsworth starting out playing Thor and eventually becoming fat Thor.

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

I wear this crown of thorns
Upon my liar's chair
Full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
Beneath the stains of time
The feelings disappear
You are someone else
I am still right here

What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way

 

[Peterlag]

I’ve explained this is not a threads. Like global warming alarmists, Who endlessly go on about ‘the science,’ STILL can’t admit it’s about politics when you can concede. Suppose everything about ‘the science’ is true, then what?

trinitarians demand that scripture only be interpreted by imposing its doctrine onto unitarian text is the same way. When somebody like you comes along and asks the next question, what is the benefit of believing God is three in one, they have no answer.

Is it safe to say that you do not have a clue of knowing who the Christ is i

I’ve explained this is not a threads. Like global warming alarmists, Who endlessly go on about ‘the science,’ STILL can’t admit it’s about politics when you can concede. Suppose everything about ‘the science’ is true, then what?

trinitarians demand that scripture only be interpreted by imposing its doctrine onto unitarian text is the same way. When somebody like you comes along and asks the next question, what is the benefit of believing God is three in one, they have no answer.

Is it safe to say that one does not know who the Christ is if they think he's God and he's not?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I can't get anyone to answer this honest question. All I get back is because the Bible says so. But there must be a reason for it. What is it? Here I will give you a reason why he had to be a man.

Thinking more on this topic of what benefit does it produce in making Jesus God?

do you say Man was created in God’s image? Is that something you have repeated because if so…how is Man in God’s image? What benefit does it produce in Man was created in God’s image?

You asked for honestly: why do you think there was any benefit produced in making Jesus Christ God? (To teach us it is better to be of an humble spirit, than to divide the spoil with the proud Proverbs 16:19, and that it isn’t robbery to be of an humble spirit?)
I don’t get how we squabble over if he was God …to me it is because maybe the “equal to God” is envious in saying it means what it might not mean? When I think of “Christ Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God” I think of how the Son fulfilled the Fathers Joy, like-minded, having the same Love as the Father—being of one accord—of One mind—the Son doing nothing through strife or vain glory (you asked what benefit? Doing nothing in vain (not through emptiness, or with nonprofit), but as the Father the Son did not consider it robbery or thievery but in lowliness of mind —of One mind with the Father—esteemed others better than himself, looking not on his own things(though he was rich he became poor, that others may become rich through him), Being in the form of God thought it not robbery —not above or better than His Master but equal to in patience, Joy, long-suffering and endurance —He took on the form of a servant …being in the likeness of man—man was created in God’s image—being found in this fashion of a man He humbled himself and became obedient unto death, obedience to the Name by which He was called… “The Son of God”

Philippians 2:2-10

Point is “He thought it not robbery”
Paul mentions the same things “what was gain I counted as loss” to be found in Him not having my own righteousness but the righteousness which is of God in Christ.

but we argue that “equal to”
because our mind envies “equal to”
As a dirty, high-minded lifted up thing to do, self -seeking an image of your own above God. But no where do I read that is who Christ Jesus was…but instead One with the Father, made humble and obedient becoming a servant to be found in God’s Likeness (He thought it not to be robbery: but for the Joy set before Him—to be not above but equal to His the Master—despising the shame He endured for that Joy…which we huff at. Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down (next to) on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 

[Peterlag]

I give you the whole Bible. Jesus is the Word, the exact expression of God. Everything the Bible tells us about the nature of God, perfectly defines Jesus. The whole Bible is about Him, the Messiah, the Savior. God saves us. A mere man cannot save the world, not even an angel.

I can assure you that the Christ is no mere man. He's the son of God who was made both Lord and Christ.

 

[RLT63]

I think a better question might be- is there any benefit to the idea at all? And that's what it is- it's an idea someone proposed that others adopted to the degree that many now think to suggest otherwise is heretical and blasphemous. The fact is that scripture never insists that Jesus is God and never makes such a declaration. It actually says the opposite- that we will recognize the spirit of God in those that contend that Jesus (the Christ) came in the flesh - a physical man and that it was the spirit of God within him-- the spirit from God and it is the same spirit within each of us. 1 John 4-

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

There's a flip side to your question. If there is no real benefit to the idea, what of any real harm? Could it be detrimental to set Jesus up on this pedestal and separate him from all others? It makes him unlike us and us unlike him-- how then can he be any kind of real example for others to follow if we are different in very nature? It makes him little more than an actor- a pretender who came and posed as a man, but wasn't really like any of us. He told us what to do, but it was a do as I say, not as I do... because you can't no matter how hard you try.

Look it up-- Jesus compares himself to the bronze snake on the pole that Moses made. (Num 21) It was made at a specific time for a specific purpose as a means of rescue or salvation, but centuries later the people were worshipping it. Jesus says-- I'm like that Nehushtan, to be lifted up on a pole- for salvation, he didn't come to be worshipped. “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. You won't find a more direct comparison.

Finally-- the book of the revelation of Jesus Christ has two distinct mentions that set the notion of Jesus himself being God tumbling. Those who hold to the idea insist you must impose a different voice, a different speaker-- some unknown angel instead of Jesus Christ himself who is showing John all these things. Yet from the start it is clear that the book contains the revealing of Jesus, by Jesus to John. Don't let someone's red letter Bible dictate who is speaking in spirit to John. The angel of Jesus Christ is the spirit of Jesus Christ -in spirit- which is where John is shown these things.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.

This angel later tells John, when he bows to worship him--

And he said to me, “These are true words of God.” Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

And the book ends with this--

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy. Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Did your Bible switch speakers for that last part? Did it insert 'red letters' to support a bias?

Rev 22:12

“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
Rev 22:13

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14

“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15

Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[fn] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”