What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[MatthewG]

@Blue Dragonfly's

One thing to love about God is the freedom that he give us, as human beings. To be able to think, and even be able to think and be able to use the Holy Spirit in sync with prayer and reading scriptures.

So in a sense, Jesus became the only begotten son when He was Resurrected. The Word of God - stayed with-in the dead body that died on the cross once being resurrected coming back from the realm of the dead (Sheol) Paradise - and even visiting the prison part.

And then you have Revelation, which shows Jesus becoming the Lord God Almighty.

Doesn't matter to me if people do not believe it.

ITs by faith anyone is saved the kingdom of the Heavenly Jerusalem anyway.

Nothing like sex-ed 101 in a Christian forum.

A virgin bleeds at penetration because it is her hymen that is penetrated.
Artificial insemination would need penetrate that barrier as well.

Mortal coitus necessitates the woman be ovulating for a sperm cell to penetrate her egg.

Thank you for that.

 

[Charlie24]

That is unfortunate that you find it so confusing. Oh well. Thank you for response.

Jesus never existed in the flesh in the beginning so, that is what I do not understand from most people... Jesus was simply the Word of God.

However I do not really feel like discussing this, with others for the most part and let them believe whatever they are going to because as human beings we are going to believe what we want too... or what we have been taught.

That is unfortunate that you find it so confusing. Oh well. Thank you for response.

Jesus never existed in the flesh in the beginning so, that is what I do not understand from most people... Jesus was simply the Word of God.

However I do not really feel like discussing this, with others for the most part and let them believe whatever they are going to because as human beings we are going to believe what we want too... or what we have been taught.

Hello Matthew, haven't heard from you lately!

The "Word" is referring to the Logos, the Eternal Logos. The Jews would have known this to be referring to God the Creator.

You notice that John expresses 2 beings here, God and the Word. This is where the idea of the Trinity is born.

John is distinctively mentioning God the Father and the Creator/The Word, God the Son.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Matthew, haven't heard from you lately!

The "Word" is referring to the Logos, the Eternal Logos. The Jews would have known this to be referring to God the Creator.

You notice that John expresses 2 beings here, God and the Word. This is where the idea of the Trinity is born.

John is distinctively mentioning God the Father and the Creator/The Word, God the Son.

Hello Charlie,

Thank you for sharing with me your informative information. I am not here to really be taught about these things as I believe I already know enough about them.

I have no doubts in my own personal belief that the very Word of God (the I AM) was with-in the Lord Jesus Christ at all.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

The Word of God was born in human flesh (Named Jesus)... learned scriptures and learned about life, tempted.... was begotten of the Father. The Only Begotten, first beloved, resurrected - begotten.

Then was given a place to sit on the throne with the Father.

If I had to give a book chapter, verse...

The whole of the Apostolic Record would be good enough, including the revelation sir.

Jesus/Immanuel did not learn the scriptures. He was God. He gave the scriptures to man. In the temple he also taught from the sacred scrolls at the tender age of 12.

The NT says Jesus/Immanuel ascended to the right hand of the father as a metaphor, or even an allegory. Because in Jewish tradition,symbology, the right hand is the hand of power.

So,when we're told Immanuel/Jesus sat at the right hand of God, it is to say Jesus returned to his place of power as God.

Because The Word had accomplished his will as The Word made flesh dwelling among us.

 

[MatthewG]

Please Read Luke chapter 2, to see that Jesus did in fact, go the temple, and learn scriptures, he also had to be circumcised when he was 8 days old. He was a person born under the Law... @Blue Dragonfly's

I am not here for a teaching lesson but thank you for sharing what you believe.

What people believe doesn't really matter to me as long as we can be able to love each other.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

@Blue Dragonfly's

One thing to love about God is the freedom that he give us, as human beings. To be able to think, and even be able to think and be able to use the Holy Spirit in sync with prayer and reading scriptures.

So in a sense, Jesus became the only begotten son when He was Resurrected. The Word of God - stayed with-in the dead body that died on the cross once being resurrected coming back from the realm of the dead (Sheol) Paradise - and even visiting the prison part.

And then you have Revelation, which shows Jesus becoming the Lord God Almighty.

Doesn't matter to me if people do not believe it.

ITs by faith anyone is saved the kingdom of the Heavenly Jerusalem anyway.

Jesus/Immanuel did not become God. He was God.

Thank you for that.

You're welcome.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus = LORD GOD ALMIGHTY when everything was completed.

Immanuel = WORD OF GOD in the Lord Jesus Christ from my understanding, meaning God with Us.

Jesus was a human being, learning everything that Father taught him, along with reading scriptures...

Take it as you will brother.

 

[MatthewG]

Anyway,

I have no problem with Jesus being the (I AM) the Word of God - meaning that the Word of God was very much alive and with-in the Lord Jesus Christ...

 

[Charlie24]

Hello Charlie,

Thank you for sharing with me your informative information. I am not here to really be taught about these things as I believe I already know enough about them.

I have no doubts in my own personal belief that the very Word of God (the I AM) was with-in the Lord Jesus Christ at all.

No Matthew, I'm afraid you don't know enough just yet. You are still quite confused in Scripture.

That attitude isn't going to help either! All of us are still learning!

 

[Matthias]

The "Word" is referring to the Logos, the Eternal Logos. The Jews would have known this to be referring to God the Creator.

Yes.

You notice that John expresses 2 beings here, God and the Word. This is where the idea of the Trinity is born.

John is distinctively mentioning God the Father and the Creator/The Word, God the Son.

Two beings? How many beings is the Trinity? (I was taught the Trinity is one being.)

 

[MatthewG]

No Matthew, I'm afraid you don't know enough just yet. You are still quite confused in Scripture.

That attitude isn't going to help either! All of us are still learning!

You shouldn't tell me that you think "Im quite confused in scripture" when scripture is only a side issue.

Let's love each other just by being kind and nice. It's great you a brother, and other brothers and sisters here.

There are some subjects I rather just stay out of because it has been talked about so much in my life, that half that time I do not care much BECAUSE of this reason right here displaying itself in front of both you and me and others.

Take care man I gotta try to get some sleep.

May the spirit guide.

 

[Mr E]

He who is God doesn't need to "become" God.

I don't quite understand the source of your confusion. I didn't say God became God, I pointed to the scripture that said the word of God became flesh-- so your argument is with scripture, not me.

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes.



Two beings? How many beings is the Trinity? (I was taught the Trinity is one being.)

I believe I said this is where "the idea" of the Trinity begins.

We see here 2 persons in the Godhead.

Then we come to the knowledge that there are 3 members of the Godhead.

 

[Mr E]

Why did you ignore 1 Timothy 3:16 , Hebrew 1:8,9 and many other passages to promote your heresy? Or since you are "Mr E" then let's call it your "'eresy".

Do you think that this reference in 1 Tim is about the physical man Jesus? Obviously it isn't about the physical man, but the spirit. In Hebrews 1- there is an obvious distinction made between God (the Father) and the son who was sent. You don't see that?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Please Read Luke chapter 2, to see that Jesus did in fact, go the temple, and learn scriptures, he also had to be circumcised when he was 8 days old. He was a person born under the Law... @Blue Dragonfly's

I am not here for a teaching lesson but thank you for sharing what you believe.

What people believe doesn't really matter to me as long as we can be able to love each other.

We share what we believe because the Bible tells us what is truth for our faith and belief in God.


John 16:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Remember the passage about the narrow way?

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.''

Two points there in that verse.
The narrow way is Jesus.

''Those that find it are few'', refers to those whom God called to himself before the foundation of the world.


Someone else said there is no scripture telling Christian's go to Heaven. They also deny Jesus was divine, God, The Word made flesh.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Exodus 3:14God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’'

Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

John 14:6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

 

[Charlie24]

You shouldn't tell me that you think "Im quite confused in scripture" when scripture is only a side issue.

Let's love each other just by being kind and nice. It's great you a brother, and other brothers and sisters here.

There are some subjects I rather just stay out of because it has been talked about so much in my life, that half that time I do not care much BECAUSE of this reason right here displaying itself in front of both you and me and others.

Take care man I gotta try to get some sleep.

May the spirit guide.

Well Matthew, that's when you have gird up your loins and be a man!

Search the Scriptures to see what is truth and what's not.

Read to find what the theologians say and why. Go back to the old paths.

You can't run from it if you want to participate on these boards.

 

[Mr E]

I believe I said this is where "the idea" of the Trinity begins.

We see here 2 persons in the Godhead.

Then we come to the knowledge that there are 3 members of the Godhead.

On earth as it is in heaven...

Since we don't have a clear picture of 'how it is in heaven' all we can do is surmise what it might be like, based on what we see on earth. On earth we have a man and a woman who unite and so joined together bring forth offspring. So if you really want to catch a glimpse of a kind of trinity, there it is... A father, a mother, and the child that is produced by their union.

 

[Charlie24]

On earth as it is in heaven...

Since we don't have a clear picture of 'how it is in heaven' all we can do is surmise what it might be like, based on what we see on earth. On earth we have a man and a woman who unite and so joined together bring forth offspring. So if you really want to catch a glimpse of a kind of trinity, there it is... A father, a mother, and the child that is produced by their union.

What???

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Jesus = LORD GOD ALMIGHTY when everything was completed.

Immanuel = WORD OF GOD in the Lord Jesus Christ from my understanding, meaning God with Us.

Jesus was a human being, learning everything that Father taught him, along with reading scriptures...

Take it as you will brother.

I do. Which is why I know you're wrong. Because the scriptures don't say what you believe to be true.

Isaiah 43:11 I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.

Do you think Jesus had a sin nature?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes they can, its called artificial insemination, doctors preform the procedure quit often. And a woman doesn't have to have intercourse to give birth.

That is precisely why I said "in any natural way." lol