What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[TLHKAJ]

I happen to know for a fact that virgins can and do get pregnant. Sometimes the very first time they have sex.

They lose their virginity before conceiving. So no, a virgin cannot become pregnant in any natural way. Mary told the angel that she had known no man, and the angel told her that the Holy Spirit would overshadow her ...that this child would be holy, conceived by Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:34-35
[34]Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The angel specifically told her that she would be with child by the power of the Highest (God) as the Holy Ghost came upon her and that the child would be holy. THAT is how a virgin conceived the Son of God.

 

[BeyondET]

Since I'm not Jewish... do you have a verse in the New Testament?

You read the OT don't you. You don't have to be Jewish to read the old testament.
Do you not believe God that there is no other Savior but God.

 

[Charlie24]

Bible does not agree with you. Are my 2 verses wrong?

God demands the blood of man for his sins.

The blood of a perfect sacrifice is the atonement for sin.

That is why Christ had to become man!

Lev. 17:11

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

 

[Enoch111]

Scripture does not teach that "God became a man"

Why did you ignore 1 Timothy 3:16 , Hebrew 1:8,9 and many other passages to promote your heresy? Or since you are "Mr E" then let's call it your "'eresy".

 

[TLHKAJ]

All I know is that Jesus was learning to be God - in which when everything had been placed underneath the feet of Jesus, and Jesus handed everything back to God, that God would be all in all, and thus Jesus - the Word of God - the only begotten Son - became the Lord God Almighty.

He was a man, and the very Word of God - was with-in the man named Jesus...

This is total confusion!

 

[Enoch111]

Did I not just give 2 verses that said the Bible says a man must do it?

You forgot to say "God as Man". BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[Enoch111]

This is total confusion!

That is MatthewG's specialty.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Yes--the Word (of God) became flesh-- no where does scripture say anywhere that the flesh became God. It's quite different, you know? First and foremost it says the Word was God (already) and that is what became flesh. Descended from on high, not born in a manger.

He who is God doesn't need to "become" God.

 

[BeyondET]

They lose their virginity before conceiving. So no, a virgin cannot become pregnant in any natural way.

Yes they can, its called artificial insemination, doctors preform the procedure quit often. And a woman doesn't have to have intercourse to give birth.

 

[MatthewG]

This is total confusion!

That is unfortunate that you find it so confusing. Oh well. Thank you for response.

Jesus never existed in the flesh in the beginning so, that is what I do not understand from most people... Jesus was simply the Word of God.

However I do not really feel like discussing this, with others for the most part and let them believe whatever they are going to because as human beings we are going to believe what we want too... or what we have been taught.

 

[MatthewG]

Praise God for being able to go outside of traditional man made traditions and learn the truth from the Bible through study.

God bless. And may people be encouraged to read the Bible and study, (to show themselves approved - (Not of/to individuals human beings) - but of God.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

So you have no verse?

There are many. That you won't accept.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Matthew 4:
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes they can, its called artificial insemination, doctors preform the procedure quit often. And a woman doesn't have to have intercourse to give birth.

Wouldn't that cause problems? From what I understand is that women normally bleed when they first have sex, something to do with the penetration. So without that breaking, wouldn't virgin birth cause problems with artificial insemination?

 

[BeyondET]

If human doctors can cause a woman to give birth without her losing virginity by artificial insemination certainly spiritually it can happen.

 

[MatthewG]

Not being a doctor, I do not know.

 

[BeyondET]

Wouldn't that cause problems? From what I understand is that women normally bleed when they first have sex, something to do with the penetration. So without that breaking, wouldn't virgin birth cause problems with artificial insemination?

Woman bleed because of their monthly cycle rather a virgin or not.

It is the discarding of the urtus lining is the blood.

 

[MatthewG]

It's just faith we believe in the first place right?


Thank God it is simple. Because by faith we believe that God exist... if he even exists ...if there is a God, which I believe by faith there is, and God is defined as Good, Love and Spirit

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

All I know is that Jesus was learning to be God - in which when everything had been placed underneath the feet of Jesus, and Jesus handed everything back to God, that God would be all in all, and thus Jesus - the Word of God - the only begotten Son - became the Lord God Almighty.

He was a man, and the very Word of God - was with-in the man named Jesus...

Jesus was learning to be God?
Book,chapter,verse please.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was learning to be God?
Book,chapter,verse please.

The Word of God was born in human flesh (Named Jesus)... learned scriptures and learned about life, tempted.... was begotten of the Father. The Only Begotten, first beloved, resurrected - begotten.

Then was given a place to sit on the throne with the Father.

If I had to give a book chapter, verse...

The whole of the Apostolic Record would be good enough, including the revelation sir.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Wouldn't that cause problems? From what I understand is that women normally bleed when they first have sex, something to do with the penetration. So without that breaking, wouldn't virgin birth cause problems with artificial insemination?

Nothing like sex-ed 101 in a Christian forum.

A virgin bleeds at penetration because it is her hymen that is penetrated.
Artificial insemination would need penetrate that barrier as well.

Mortal coitus necessitates the woman be ovulating for a sperm cell to penetrate her egg.