No, you made it up in regards to what the angels said about Jesus' return, where you claimed he would literally return in a cloud, because when he left, a cloud hid him from view. The angels never said he would return in a cloud. There is no scripture that says Jesus will return in a literal cloud. These other verses are depicting figurative clouds, symbolizing glory and power. That is the point. Jesus is not returning in a literal cloud.
What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?
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Jesus said he will come in the clouds.
I knew what Jesus said.You were ignorant of what Jesus said ,therefore you said I made it up.
Ad you can see,I didn't make it up
Mathew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Not long after I had recieved the holy Ghost ,I noticed memory of Scripture greatly increased as I learned.It came to point that I had about memorized all the words of Jesus .My son used to start a verse and I would finish it by memory.
You should ask for the gift of the holy Ghost do you will be able to learn .
Ha, thanks and my middle name starts with a J too. He grew up about a 1/2 hour from me and I know a lady who knew him well.
FYI I do enjoy your post and its time to get back to the future talk LOL.
Nah man. I know the scriptures quite well. It's just a misunderstanding we have here. I have hundreds of documents where I've compiled scriptures on various studies, including one on apocalyptic language used in scriptures, such as clouds and the moon and sun not giving light, etc. Lotsa fun!
Maybe you should ask the holy ghost to reveal to you the difference between literal and symbolic scriptures. It will help you.
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You won't need documents if you ask for the holy Ghost.Nah man. I know the scriptures quite well. It's just a misunderstanding we have here. I have hundreds of documents where I've compiled scriptures on various studies, including one on apocalyptic language used in scriptures, such as clouds and the moon and sun not giving light, etc. Lotsa fun!
Maybe you should ask the holy ghost to reveal to you the difference between literal and symbolic scriptures. It will help you.
You will actually be able to remember what Jesus said and not accuse other people of making things up.
There was no misunderstanding.
As I said,if you had the holy Ghost,you would have known what Jesus said about his coming.
The Holy Ghost would help you remember Jesus words.
And you wouldn't accuse other people of making things up.You would know his word.
Yes the 12 stars represent her other offspring.
The bible interprets and reveals the truth why have you repeatly ignored the vision of the woman? Here it is again
Revelation 12
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Genesis 37
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?” 11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.
Lambano
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They are actually protecting her till they are not.
After the beast from the bottomless pitt kills the two witnesses,it goes on to burn the prostitute .
Revelation 11:7
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them
Revelation 17 :16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Like that old proverb
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The enemy of the two witnesses is the beast from.the bottomless pit.
The enemy of the prostitute is the beast from the bottomless pit.
Two witnesses and prostitute are friends.Very close friends.
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Brakelite
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Papal Rome. I have given numerous evidences from scripture as to why, from prophecy, and also from history, and her own teachings and the philosophy behind them. There are threads and posts throughout this site with my name attached... search brakelite and Antichrist.
Brakelite
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I would suggest a simple alternative, that would fit neatly into both scenarios, coming and going.
Clouds in both instances I believe refer to angels... millions of them which at a distance would look like a cloud. Hidden from view as they received Him back into their company, and returning with them to reap the harvest.
But that’s not the description that John gave about the antichrist at all and John is the only biblical writer to mention the term antichrist. Below are the only 4 verses in the bible that antichrist is mentioned
1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Thus according to scripture the Papal Rome cannot be antichrist. In Johns day apostate Israel was the perfect description of antichrist as antichrist was already in the world in the first century
And while the majority of Italians today say Jesus is the Christ,The overwhelming majority of Jews in Israel still say he is not .
Antichrist hasn't changed much in the last 2000 years.
The beast from.the sea will need some help soon and there are many witnesses of Jesus who love and support that little beast.Pehaps someone will send the beast help .A second beast .
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Yes but the other point I'm making is that John wrote both Revelation and his epistles and his epistles are the only books in the bible that mention the term antichrist.
So the question is why does John not use the term antichrist in revelation?
The answer is that John describes the sea beast and the antichrist differently and even gives them a different purpose. Add that to John naming them differently then obviously they are not one and the same.
Thanks. I really don't want to go searching for your old posts, so I appreciate your giving me a summary here.
Yes,I see the sea beast and the second beast differently.
But I see the sea beast as the government that rejects Jesus as being the Christ.(the Israeli goverment)
And the second beast as coming in Jesus name deceiving the people who followed after the sea beast , into receiving the mark of the sea beast.
I think Jesus spoke of that second beast right about here..
Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
After the arrival.of the second beast,the persecution begins.
Mathew 24
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Interesting idea. I don't agree that it could be clouds of angels, because I know it is symbolic language, similarly used throughout scripture, but I like your outside the box thinking.
Yes, but do you notice that in Matthew 24 Jesus was actually talking to His disciples? The warning was for them.
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