Understanding what is the "Abomination of Desolation".

[TribulationSigns]

Apparently you've never heard of "sarc".

No, but I know that I stand on the biblical ground concerning Olivet Discourse since you have not refuted anything biblically. :-)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No,Luke 21 hasn't been fulfilled yet.

Um, yes it was, in 70 AD

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He was talking to them about the stones.There are plenty of stones still standing.

The only stones that were left standing was the roman fortress Antonia. which was not part of the city or temple of the jews

 

[TribulationSigns]

This is more complex than you may think but it's been wars and rumours of wars my entire life and even before. I remember watching the TV guy talk about the Cuban missle crisis and the vietnam war when I was a kid.

And I agree with you that the war is a spiritual war but it is also political because man always has to put his 2 cents in and he always knows just the best way to oppress his neighbors.

"I agree but but but its also political or physical" Huh? Based on what Scripture?

So we are in war & rumours of wars right now and there has been two world wars. There's no world war at this moment but it sounds close if you ask me.

Sigh, you are looking for the wrong kind of war, sir!

The prophecy on the street is that Miami will be nuked. The US is in a war right now in Ukraine. That war is not Russians vs Ukraine, the US is all over that war and Putin knows he's fighting the US. That makes us prime targets to be attacked by Russia (or Russia & China). Then we would have to split our military resources more to home than Ukraine and it might make it easier for Putin in Ukraine after that.

Sounds like you are a fan of the newspaper eschatology.

Putin is getting his butt whipped in Ukraine and if he attacks the US to bring himself relief in Ukraine he could decide to just take a stroll across Europe?

Okay... and this still has nothing to do with war and rumors of war in Matthew 24. Wrong war, wrong place. You need to look at the CONTEXT:

Mat 24:4-7
(4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
(5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
(6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
(7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Mat 24:11
(11) And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many.

In my earlier posts, I mentioned that the wars and rumors of wars are related to the rise of false prophets and christs who come in Christ's name and deceive many people. The war in Ukraine and Israel has NOTHING to do with false prophets and christs. You are looking in the wrong place. The rise of false prophets and christs can only be found in God's congregation all over the world, where spiritual wars take place. The church always had spiritual war here and there since Pentecost but during the time of Great tribulation, this SAME WAR shall increase in amount as more and more false prophets and christs showing up all over! Nothing to do with political nations! Selah!

Gee-whiz.

The Lord told me to stop watching the news.

Sounds like what I have been telling you guys all along!

He said there is so much going on behind the scenes that what we even hear on the news is mere rabbit trails and if I have a need to know something then He will tell me about it. Fair enough!

The Lord will tell you about what's going on "behind the scenes"

 

[covenantee]

No, but I know that I stand on the biblical ground concerning Olivet Discourse since you have not refuted anything biblically. :-)

You should familiarize yourself with "sarc".

 

[TribulationSigns]

You should familiarize yourself with "sarc".

Nope. If you wanted to distraction from discussion like this then that's your problem.

 

[covenantee]

Nope. If you wanted to distraction from discussion like this then that's your problem.

You don't get it, so just leave it for those who do.

Meanwhile,

Messiah was literally physically born.
Messiah literally physically walked this earth in minstry.
Messiah literally physically died.
Messiah literally physically arose.
Messiah literally physically ascended.

And Messiah presided over the literal physical destruction of Jerusalem.

Reality is both spiritual and literal physical.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Reality is both spiritual and literal physical.

I, as an Amillennialist, have compared Scripture with Scripture examined the parallel accounts, and seen that the popular views are inconsistent, untenable, and in effect take away from the "true" judgment of Old Testament Israel that took place at the Cross. God could care less about a pile of bricks falling in AD 70. The "true" fall of the Old Testament Israel was AT THE REMOVAL of CHRIST by his own people (people of the prince per context) and the true fall of the New Testament Israel will be at the REMOVAL of CHRIST. This is "consistent" with Old Testament prophecies detailing Israel's fall. Where there is NO MENTION of AD 70, Titus, or the Romans being the desolators.

When you say "seems," that is the operative word in your conclusion. The fact is, most everything the Lord prophesies can be said to "seem" to be talking about something that it wasn't. I'm sure that when the Lord told Abraham to get out of the country and go to a land that would be shown to him, and God would make of him a great nation, it "seemed" to be prophesying of his physical seed. Until we compare parallel passages that his seed shall be multiplied as the stars of heaven, and in his seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed. Only then do we see the "true" meaning of the prophecy. We can say that about a hundred different prophecies because it's nothing new. The prophecy of Elijah coming before Christ's first advent "seemed" to be talking about Physical Elijah, but comparing scripture with scripture we see that it wasn't. It actually was a prophecy of John the Baptist. When Christ threw the buyers and sellers out the Holy Temple and prophesied that the Jews would destroy the Temple and He would rebuild it in three days, it "seemed" to be talking about the physical temple, but it wasn't. My point being, just because something "seems" to correlate to AD 70 doesn't mean that it does! There is not one single word about AD 70 in Holy writ, there is only the conclusions of men based primarily on the writings of Josephus (which scholars agree are clearly biased) detailing what took place in AD 70. God simply doesn't leave the interpretation of His book up to secular writers.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, "them" and "ye" and "you" in Matthew 24:2 are Jesus' disciples.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

What about Matthew 24:15? Are "ye" still Jesus' disciples in that verse?

Jesus has many disciples.Im one of them.

 

[tailgator]

Um, yes it was, in 70 AD

You believe Jesus came in 70 AD and the day of redemption took place in 70 AD?


Did the heavens shake and great earthquakes and the stars of heaven fall.unto the earth like Jesus said they would?

Did all eyes see Jesus coming in the clouds and they write about it as well?
Where can we read where everyone saw Jesus coming in the clouds in 70 Ad?

Luke 21

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[tailgator]

The only stones that were left standing was the roman fortress Antonia. which was not part of the city or temple of the jews

Is the temple Mt part of the temple structure or is it just part of the temple Mt?

 

[tailgator]

Um, yes it was, in 70 AD

Wow,Jesus came in 70 AD and all eyes saw him.
Where can we read about everyone seeing Jesus come in the clouds?

Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Every eye saw him.come was in70.AD.
Where are all the testimonies of everyone who saw him ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You believe Jesus came in 70 AD and the day of redemption took place in 70 AD?


Did the heavens shake and great earthquakes and the stars of heaven fall.unto the earth like Jesus said they would?

Did all eyes see Jesus coming in the clouds and they write about it as well?
Where can we read where everyone saw Jesus coming in the clouds in 70 Ad?

Luke 21

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

No. He comes after the 70th week.

Luke spoke of the events of 70 Ad. Then what will happen in the end

Matt did not speak of the events of 70 AD. But a different event, and then included the same events at the end.

in 70 AD. Not one stone was left. The historians confirm this fact.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is the temple Mt part of the temple structure or is it just part of the temple Mt?

The current Temple Mount.

No. It is the roman fortress wall.

The jews are mistaken in calling it the Temple Mount.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wow,Jesus came in 70 AD and all eyes saw him.
Where can we read about everyone seeing Jesus come in the clouds?

Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


Every eye saw him.come was in70.AD.
Where are all the testimonies of everyone who saw him ?

Shaking my dead.

dude, you have to much pride..

 

[tailgator]

No. He comes after the 70th week.

Luke spoke of the events of 70 Ad. Then what will happen in the end

Matt did not speak of the events of 70 AD. But a different event, and then included the same events at the end.

in 70 AD. Not one stone was left. The historians confirm this fact.

The western wall was not destroyed.The stones were to heavy for the Romans so they buried them.
They remained on top of each other.

 

[tailgator]

Um, yes it was, in 70 AD

Are you positive all.of Luke 21 was fulfilled in 70 ad as you said in this post?

 

[tailgator]

Shaking my dead.

dude, you have to much pride..

Dude Luke 21 was not fulfilled in 70 AD.

 

[covenantee]

When you say "seems," that is the operative word in your conclusion.

What are you drinking?

Link to your hallucinogenic "seems".

 

[covenantee]

Jesus has many disciples.Im one of them.

Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Did you come to Jesus "for to shew him the buildings of the temple"?

That's what Matthew 24:1 says that Jesus' disciples did.

So provide evidence that that is what you did.