Understanding : Acts 2:38

[Truther]

Show me anywhere sin is dealt with via baptism.
Peter was parroting JTB.
Peter had to have been later corrected, as there is no longer An intermediate state as John the Batist only dealt with PREPARATION via baptism.
That intermediate state in which the Messiah had come but His SIN OFFERING of HIMSELF was not fulfilled. All John could do was bring a plow to the heart....( repent).
Peter was still in that mode.
All Christians that are baptized have ALREADY had their sins forgiven.
Baptism publicly declares a work in a believer. A previous work.
If baptism were connected to a Christians fate then it would be somewhere in the Bible.
Iow in the seven letters to the seven churches.

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...


I showed you.

 

[Truther]

How many times a day do you dunk yourself?
Hopefully you do so many,many times

All I needed was to be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of my sins one time.

The blood works that well.

That will be my defense at the judgement.

Not, how I tried to "believe away" my sins.

 

[JBO]

Please show me a reference which proves this? We are still researching this point.

Recovering the Evangelical Sacrament: Baptisma Semper Reformandum (Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2013; 403p., pb.), written by Anthony R. Cross.

Baptism: Zwingli or The Bible? Jack Cottrell

Both are available from Amazon.

 

[gpresdo]

That is not what the Bible says.

Yes, perhaps. But not all that significant in relation to being saved.

Only by the fact that in having been baptized, the repentant believer received forgiveness of sins and was given the gift of the Holy Spirit. That gift, among other things constitutes the seal put on the believer.

Please read carefully.....you are in conflict with clear scripture;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of th

 

[gpresdo]

I agree, in a sense, that baptism as zero to do with the removal of sin. Such can only be accomplished by God, Himself. However, it seems clear enough from passages such as Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; 22:16, Col 2:11-13, etc. that baptism is the occasion, the time in the life of the repentant believer, that God as promised that He will forgive sin.

I would plead with you and all who reject any connection between salvation and baptism as clearly indicated in the Bible to rethink it. Whether or not God can and will forgive the sins of the unbaptized can be a serious topic of discussion. However, to reject the promise that God has given with respect to the obvious connection of salvation with baptism is terribly, terribly foolish. Why anyone would even consider that just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

You are not reading scriptures. If you think not then you need to explain the scriptures which requires it...?

 

[gpresdo]

What you just pointed out is the power of God and his forgiveness.
Not a WORK of baptism.
Baptism has zero to do with removal of sin.
Zero

You need a new Bible...or concentrate on the one you have'

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of th boble)

 

[gpresdo]

Show me anywhere sin is dealt with via baptism.
Peter was parroting JTB.
Peter had to have been later corrected, as there is no longer An intermediate state as John the Batist only dealt with PREPARATION via baptism.
That intermediate state in which the Messiah had come but His SIN OFFERING of HIMSELF was not fulfilled. All John could do was bring a plow to the heart....( repent).
Peter was still in that mode.
All Christians that are baptized have ALREADY had their sins forgiven.
Baptism publicly declares a work in a believer. A previous work.
If baptism were connected to a Christians fate then it would be somewhere in the Bible.
Iow in the seven letters to the seven churches.

It is there and posted here for u to see......you wish not to recognize it;

 

[gpresdo]

Recovering the Evangelical Sacrament: Baptisma Semper Reformandum (Eugene, OR: Pickwick Publications, 2013; 403p., pb.), written by Anthony R. Cross.

Baptism: Zwingli or The Bible? Jack Cottrell

Both are available from Amazon.

That appears as Cross's opinion.....? Not the Swiss reformer's.

List your specific reference...quote it.






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[JBO]

Please read carefully.....you are in conflict with clear scripture;

Baptism is Required

I have not said anything different. But are you suggesting that God cannot save anyone who has not been baptized?

 

[Truther]

I have said anything different. But are you suggesting that God cannot save anyone who has not been baptized?

The only way to be part of the 1st resurrection in the church age is to obey Acts 2:38. Then walk in the Spirit.
If not, a person must wait until the end of the world to be judged.

 

[JBO]

That appears as Cross's opinion.....? Not the Swiss reformer's.

List your specific reference...quote it.

I will leave it to you to research the issue. But Zwingli's view seems clear enough for me. He rejected the RCC's view of infant baptism and the more general view of baptismal regeneration as the RCC proclaimed it.

Yes, that is Cross's opinion which he references in his text.

However, in all of this, I think you are misreading me. I believe that NT biblical baptism is not the source nor the basis for salvation. I do believe however that NT biblical baptism is the point in time for the repentant believer when salvation is received, God being the source for salvation.

 

[JBO]

The only way to be part of the 1st resurrection in the church age is to obey Acts 2:38.

I have not rejected that view.

In fact I believe that the first resurrection for any believer is one and the same as regeneration. It is a rebirth, being reborn, being born again, in the spirit.

 

[Truther]

I have not rejected that view.

In fact I believe that the first resurrection for any believer is one and the same as regeneration. It is a rebirth, being reborn, being born again, in the spirit.

This is our 1st resurrection ticket....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...skip it and skip the 1st resurrection.

 

[JBO]

This is our 1st resurrection ticket....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...skip it and skip the 1st resurrection.

Just to be clear, I believe that first resurrection spoken of here (and in John 5:24-26) is the same one as the first resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6. It is the reason that the second death has no power over those of this first resurrection (Rev 20:6) They are the born again, the ones who have "put on Christ", the ones who are "in Christ".

 

[Davy]

What you are hoping to imply is that the Apostles went to other countries and supernaturally preached in languages that were native to the audience.

You just make up one silly story after the next, showing you are not interested at all in keeping God's Word as written.

Thus you are marked for deletion; now on my IGNORE LIST.

 

[Truther]

Just to be clear, I believe that first resurrection spoken of here (and in John 5:24-26) is the same one as the first resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6. It is the reason that the second death has no power over those of this first resurrection (Rev 20:6) They are the born again, the ones who have "put on Christ", the ones who are "in Christ".

Yes, the first resurrection is our ticket out of here. We don’t have to go to the great tribulation. But the only way to be partakers of the first resurrection is to obey Acts 2:38 and walk in the Spirit.

 

[JBO]

Yes, the first resurrection is our ticket out of here. We don’t have to go to the great tribulation.

I am not a premillennialist.

 

[Truther]

I am not a premillennialist.

What are you?

 

[JBO]

What are you?

amillennial

 

[Truther]

amillennial

Do you believe that there will be a catching away of the Saints prior to the great tribulation?