Sorry - Maybe I misunderstood your point or the issue. I firmly believe that we are to stick to A) above. I'm not aware of anything from B) and anyway, why would Jesus need to continue teaching from heaven when we have all his words from his time on earth?
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My investigation results of Daniel prophecy are in the process of being published, and anyone will be able to review them. I was asked earlier why I don't present them here and I am glad to address specific questions, but they analysis is too complex to provide the total analysis. The analysis of Revelation is near completion and other than the references to it in Unraveling Daniel, it's best to keep from commenting on the rest still being finalized.
Why does there have to be "confusion, strife, bitterness and anger amongst prophetic experts?" Aren't we all interested in and seeking the truth of scripture? Also, I do not consider myself to be an "expert" in prophecy - I am a servant of Jesus trying to do a good job and that is all.
I'm not sure of your point here.
I had time this morning to review the link for the "Bible study Rules" and in my humble opinion I think they are great. By following these Rules there should be consensus in most scripture resulting in ONE Church of Jesus Christ versus the fracturing that we see today. There will never be total agreement, but that was discussed by Paul when he condemned following individual apostles versus Jesus. Thanks for sharing!!!
Ronald David Bruno
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And isn't that exactly what you are doing when you write books about the Bible ( as you've claimed to have accomplished)? You are interpreting scripture, whether accurate or not, you are in fact planting seeds good or bad for people to digest and believe.
The Bible is sufficient AND we really don't need a teacher, we have the Holy Spirit.
So no need for books that may be incorrect, right?
What is your published name and books you claim to have written?
Jaz ________ or what?
Correct-the "Oral law" was in existence-and the Talmud is more authorative than the Torah.
Johann.
My name is John Zavicar III, and these are the names of the books that capture the investigation results:
Course Corrections to Faith and Identify the Real Gospel Authors - published June 2022
The Gospel Naming Fraud - published February 2023
Unraveling Daniel - due to be out July/August 2023
Decoding Revelation - in process of being completed and likely issued by January 2024
You bring up a good point; I'm speaking out against CATS but aren't I just creating some more CATS in the process? The answer was revealed when the investigation into Daniel and Revelation were completed. After the Lord helped me to solve my doubts in Jesus because of the misnamed Gospel authors that allowed false teachers to take over and control the church, I received dreams that told me to start investigating the books of Daniel and Revelation. I didn't want to look at prophecy because I thought it to be a mess that numerous theologians have attempted to understand and explain, but couldn't. I saw it as an impossible task and my brain hurt from the previous investigations so I rebelled. I kept praying while verifying my commitment to the Lord and in response the Holy Spirit helped me 'find' my way to start, conduct, and complete a prophecy investigation. I say that tongue in cheek!!!
I've heard numerous sermons on Daniel and Revelation and they never made sense to me. In all cases, the introduction to a series of sermons on prophecy started out with the pastor claiming that there are many theories about the meaning of this prophecy, but "I'm going to give you the correct one." While hearing it, the details never made sense, so it caused me more doubts in scripture - I doubted it as the word of God. With the Gospel authors solved and the fraud identified, my approach to prophecy changed; I knew it was the word of God, and there must be a reason that the Lord brought me to it. I was amazed at the answers that made sense and explained the message of prophecy. The two books on prophecy solve long-term mysteries and provide proof that God predicted all the details of the church takeover and the current condition of corruption throughout the church.
But aren't these books just more CATS? It will be to some and probably even to many, but it is the first summary of prophecy that has made sense to this gear-head skeptical scientist. The investigations revealed that CATS was created to hide false teachers and ensure they reap the benefits of their corrupt churches. In general, the church ignores exposing the beast, but with the results of these four books, in the future this is no longer going to be so easy. I was told in a recent dream to "tell all preachers and teachers that they must read Unraveling Daniel prior to teaching from those two prophetic books. Naturally I thought this to be an arrogant statement that is not in my character, but I promised to follow the Lord so the artwork on the cover of the third book presents this message based on Daniel 5:5 and Matthew 24:14.
In summary, previous CATS continues to hide the work of false teachers who use the church for their own benefit. Most churches do not recognize the effect of CATS, but they should after the fraud continues to be exposed in the investigation results. A prime example in Unraveling Daniel is the correct meaning of Daniel 9:24-27. A prime example of damaging CATS that will be addressed in Decoding Revelation is the story of John being in prison at an old age when he received the Revelation vision.
Blessings...
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Precious friend, Great place to start, 'decently and in order' ( rule #1 ):
Requirements for Salvation and receiving God's Eternal Salvation
A) Are they found in the doctrine He Spoke as The:
Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, commissioning 12 apostles,
Under The Law/covenants/Prophecy:
1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish...I tell you,
Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3,5)
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
His Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47)
"John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 1:4)
Correct? Is this sufficient? Or: Is there more?
2) be continued?
Repent AND believe!!! I don't read any more requirements in scripture.
Mark 1:15: After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. 15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news."
I can't help but wonder how so many churches have been able to cherry pick scripture to add to this requirement that I refer to in my books as the "simply Jesus" process. Praise the Lord!!!
Mere men who entice, demand, and force others to follow their words that they claim are from God.
Care to elaborate a bit more as to the "entice, demand and force others?"
J.
The beast described in prophecy (Daniel and Revelation) who killed the disciples and took over the church.
Eschatology is not my forte brother.
Johann.
Although prophecy addresses the end of time, the beast was present very early in the church - the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
J.
Jim B
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Good question. I examined several churches/church organizations during the generation of the second book, but the data didn't make it into the book. It was mystifying to find out how many churches use specific scripture to support their beliefs that aren't scriptural. One such church, who called themselves Presbyterian, proudly proclaimed Galatians 5:22 in their beliefs. I personally know that this church as one that welcomes sexual immorality, so I read the passages leading up to 5:22 and found why they cherry picked that one verse and left off the rest. From the NIV:
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
The Catholic Church is full of cherry picked scripture they use to attempt to justify their work requirements. It's a very common practice and these are but a few examples.
Jim B
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Do you think that Galatians 5:14-15 is irrelevant? "For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” If, however, you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another." Or Galatians 5:22-23, "By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things."
"I personally know that this [Presbyterian] church as one that welcomes sexual immorality." Can you be more specific?
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I don't believe any scripture is irrelevant. What don't you understand about my comment regarding a church that welcomes sexual immorality?
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