To the only God our Savior

[Bee5]

I told you I am not a "unitarian" and I don't know what they even believe. Kindly Don't put words in my mouth. I speak my own. How would you like it if I put some " label" on you without your consent?

Jesus is God and was here to show us how to relate to God, even as He is God.
" If you have seen me you have seen the Father".

 

[Matthias]

I told you I am not a "unitarian" and I don't know what they even believe.

You don’t even know what they believe but whatever they believe you’re not what they believe.

Kindly Don't put words in my mouth. I speak my own.

That’s fair. Please accept my apology.

How would you like it if I put some " label" on you without your consent?

If I start using arguments that are trinitarian you have my permission to label me a trinitarian.

Jesus is God and was here to show us how to relate to God, even as He is God.
" If you have seen me you have seen the Father".

Okay.

 

[Bee5]

Matthias

You can Put your own labels on your own self if you choose to. You have free will . That way you are not offended if someone then calls you what YOU yourself called yourself. Everyone sails their own ship.

.Let each person speak for themself .
If I had to come up with Something, I could "label" myself is that I am a daughter of the One and Only Living God... even though God even calls His followers even more than that..

God also calls those who choose Him and Love Him as His "spiritual wife" and His "spiritual bride" .. as He calls Himself our "Spiritual Husband".. both sons and daughters. Also calls us His "friends, companions"., His "brothers and sisters". Those who Love God and want fellowship and a personal relationship with Him which I have and strive to maintain that relationship.

God called Himself several names due to His several "roles/offices" that He has to do.

God also has several "names " or "labels" for Lucifer to describe all the "roles" he has...:/the devil/satan/the shining one/the serpent/the antichrist(which means instead of Christ)/ the dragon/.. just to name a few... but it is the same created being that God is using to bring about the negative part of His plan.

So there is alot in names that each person has to decide for themself.

 

[Bee5]

Matthias,

Also ..thank you for the apology. Apology accepted.

 

[IronMaiden]

I told you I am not a "unitarian" and I don't know what they even believe. Kindly Don't put words in my mouth. I speak my own. How would you like it if I put some " label" on you without your consent?

Jesus is God and was here to show us how to relate to God, even as He is God.
" If you have seen me you have seen the Father".

I agree. There is only one God. He is eternal and unchanging, truly omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Matthias]

Matthias

You can Put your own labels on your own self if you choose to.

I’m a Jewish monotheist, a primitive Christian.

You have free will . That way you are not offended if someone then calls you what YOU yourself called yourself. Everyone sails their own ship.

People sometimes call themselves things which in fact they aren’t. Usually out of ignorance, sometimes because they are deceived and/ or attempting to deceive, and sometimes due to mental illness or demonic possession.

I’m not easily offended.

.Let each person speak for themself .
If I had to come up with Something, I could "label" myself is that I am a daughter of the One and Only Living God... even though God even calls His followers even more than that..

God also calls those who choose Him and Love Him as His "spiritual wife" and His "spiritual bride" .. as He calls Himself our "Spiritual Husband".. both sons and daughters. Also calls us His "friends, companions"., His "brothers and sisters". Those who Love God and want fellowship and a personal relationship with Him which I have and strive to maintain that relationship.

God called Himself several names due to His several "roles/offices" that He has to do.

God also has several "names " or "labels" for Lucifer to describe all the "roles" he has...:/the devil/satan/the shining one/the serpent/the antichrist(which means instead of Christ)/ the dragon/.. just to name a few... but it is the same created being that God is using to bring about the negative part of His plan.

So there is alot in names that each person has to decide for themself.

 

[Bee5]

Matthias,

agree that you say, "People sometimes call themselves things which in fact they aren’t."

That is WHY we are NOT to call anyone something unless they themself do,... and people don't even know what a" true Jew"is.

There are descendents or seed of the tribe of Judah that are the true Judahites. Then there are people who just lived in that land of Judah that started calling themselves "jews" by land association even though they were NOT of the the tribe of Judah.

Most people do not realize there are 12 tribes.. 12 sons of Jacob... Judah was only one of the 12 sons and his seedline are the only true Judahites.
There were levites, benjamites, reubenites etc...

The mother of Jesus is Mary...
Mary's father was of the tribe of Judah (the kingline),, and Mary's mother was of the tribe of Levi(the priestline) this making Jesus King of kings and Lord of lords. He was of the tribe of Judah and Levi.
His religion was the "Way" and they started calling it Christianity... His religion is not the "judaism religion" who dont even believe in Jesus as being God.

 

[Matthias]

Matthias,

agree that you say, "People sometimes call themselves things which in fact they aren’t."

That is WHY we are NOT to call anyone something unless they themself do,... and people don't even know what a" true Jew"is.

There are descendents or seed of the tribe of Judah that are the true Judahites. Then there are people who just lived in that land of Judah that started calling themselves "jews" by land association even though they were NOT of the the tribe of Judah.

Most people do not realize there are 12 tribes.. 12 sons of Jacob... Judah was only one of the 12 sons and his seedline are the only true Judahites.
There were levites, benjamites, reubenites etc...

The mother of Jesus is Mary...
Mary's father was of the tribe of Judah (the kingline),, and Mary's mother was of the tribe of Levi(the priestline) this making Jesus King of kings and Lord of lords. He was of the tribe of Judah and Levi.
His religion was the "Way" and they started calling it Christianity... His religion is not the "judaism religion" who dont even believe in Jesus as being God.

Christianity began as a sect of and within Judaism. It didn’t remain there.

Jews For Jesus is a trinitarian ministry that attempts to evangelize unbelieving Jews by pointing out that the religion of Jesus is Judaism.

 

[Bee5]

I disagree with you. Christianity DID NOT began as a sect of and within Judaism. Judaism and TRUE Christianity are complete opposites as Judaism does not understand that Jesus IS God.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were Hebrews...
God changed Jacob's name to Israel
Jacob had 12 sons, one of whom is Judah... there was no such thing as a "Jews" (descendents of Judah) UNTIL Judah had kids.. his children were Judahites.

A "jew" called themself Jew is one because of "land association" (not of the tribe of Judah and just called themselves jews) OR a TRUE descendant of Judah seedline, and thus are Christians followers of Jesus as God( which is God's "role" of Savior..( not jew religion).

There is judaism which is a religion.. and there is a true "Jew" which is a descendant of Judah... and not because of living in the land by land association

 

[Matthias]

I disagree with you.

That’s fine.

Christianity DID NOT began as a sect of and within Judaism.

History shows us that it did. The apostles continued to meet at the Temple and believers in synagogues. Christianity and Judaism later separated.

Judaism and TRUE Christianity are complete opposites as Judaism does not understand that Jesus IS God.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were Hebrews...
God changed Jacob's name to Israel
Jacob had 12 sons, one of whom is Judah... there was no such thing as a "Jews" (descendents of Judah) UNTIL Judah had kids.. his children were Judahites.

A "jew" called themself Jew is one because of "land association" (not of the tribe of Judah and just called themselves jews) OR a TRUE descendant of Judah seedline, and thus are Christians followers of Jesus as God( which is God's "role" of Savior..( not jew religion).

There is judaism which is a religion.. and there is a true "Jew" which is a descendant of Judah... and not because of living in the land by land association

 

[Bee5]

The problem is, look at all the different version or beliefs in Christians.
There is alot , and it is going to take God Himself to come in His 2nd advent to fix it all.

 

[Matthias]

The problem is, look at all the different version or beliefs in Christians.
There is alot , and it is going to take God Himself to come in His 2nd advent to fix it all.

It’s a mess, no doubt about it.

 

[Matthias]

“to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.”

(Jude 1:25, NASB)

Who is “the only God our Savior” in this verse?

Is it not one person, the Father, who Jude has in mind here?

Is it not Yahweh, the God and Father of Jesus Messiah, who saves us through the Messiah our lord (Psalm 110:1)?

Tertullian, writing against Gnosticism, mentions Psalm 22:9-10 in On the Flesh of Christ, chapter XX.

“Hear, then, Christ the Lord speaking to God the Father: ‘Thou art He that didst draw me out of my mother’s womb.’ Here is the first point. ‘Thou art my hope from my mother’s breasts; upon Thee have I been cast from the womb.’ Here is another point. ‘Thou art my God from my mother’s belly.’ Here is a third point.”

(Tertullian)

David, of course, wrote this prophetically.

“Verse 10. - I was cast upon thee from the womb. In a certain sense this is true of all; but of the Holy Child it was most true (Luke 2:40, 49, 52). He was ‘cast’ on God the Father’s care in a special way. Thou art my God from my mother’s belly. The Child Jesus was brought near to God from his birth (Luke 1:35; Luke 2:21, 22). From the first moment of consciousness God was his God (Luke 2:40, 49).”

(Pulpit Commentary)

Psalm 22 Pulpit Commentary

“God” is “the only God our Saviour” whom Jude wrote about -> Yahweh, the God and Father of the child Jesus.

There is no God of the Messiah besides that one.

 

[Matthias]

@Scott Downey how many selfs is a person?

How many selfs is the Trinity?

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this morning:

”Jesus is Not the Father. The Father is Not the Spirit. The Spirit is Not the Son.

The Trinity is one God, three Persons. Not one God wearing three masks.

Jesus prays to the Father (John 17:1) - He’s not talking to Himself.

The Father sends the Spirit (John 14:26) - He’s not sending Himself.”

At Jesus’ baptism, all three Persons are present (Matthew 3:16-17).

Not three gods. Not one person playing three roles.

One God in three distinct, coequal, coeternal, Persons.”

https://x.com/virgilwalkeroma/status/1901445883000225899?s=61

The trinitarian pastor is clearly telling his readers that the Triune God is three selfs, not one self.

 

[Matthias]

Concordance search for the phrase “God himself”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"God" AND "himself" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

Concordance search for the phrase “God himselfs”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"God" AND "himselfs" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Jay Ross]

Concordance search for the phrase “God himself”.

This is what my study bible provided for me when I searched the NKJV for "God Himself": -

Deuteronomy 3:22: - 22 You must not fear them, for the Lord your God Himself fights for you.' NKJV

Deuteronomy 31:3: - 3 The Lord your God Himself crosses over before you; He will destroy these nations from before you, and you shall dispossess them. Joshua himself crosses over before you, just as the Lord has said. NKJV

2 Chronicles 13:12: - 12 Now look, God Himself is with us as our head, and His priests with sounding trumpets to sound the alarm against you. O children of Israel, do not fight against the Lord God of your fathers, for you shall not prosper!" NKJV

Psalms 50:6: - 6 Let the heavens declare His righteousness,

For God Himself is Judge. NKJV​

Revelation 21:3: - 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. NKJV

Sadly, the search for this expression in the various translations will differ depending on the way the translators constructed their sentences.

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “Following” feed today.

”March 19, 1711:

Thomas Kenn dies … he is best remembered today as the the author of the beloved doxology:

Praise God from whom all blessings flow,
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise Him above, ye heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost.”

https://x.com/historicalrook/status/1902301230140985604?s=61

We sang this doxology every Sunday morning without fail in the Baptist Church I was raised in.

Clearly only one Him in the doxology - but clearly also three selfs, not one self (post #454). So,

“God Himself” (a phrase found in scripture) = “God Himselfs” (a phrase not found in scripture).

 

[Matthias]

Concordance search for the phrase “Jesus himself”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Jesus" AND "himself" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

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[Matthias]

Concordance search for “Father himself”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Father" AND "Himself" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

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[Matthias]

Concordance search for “Spirit himself”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Spirit" AND "himself" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

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Concordance search for “Holy Ghost himself”.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"Holy" AND "Ghost" AND "himself" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

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