Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[Keraz]

The 6th SEAL events ARE about the last day of this world with God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked. That is WHY they EVEN declare it is the TIME of that wrath! SO WHY ARE YOU DENYING THAT TIMING OF THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN on the 6th Seal? Who has bewitched you?

This idea is total error and people cannot mix up prophesies like Amos with the glorious Return:
The Day of the Lion, the Bear and the Snake

Amos 5:8-9 He that made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns deep darkness into dawn and darkens day into night. He who summons the waters of the sea and pours them over the earth: Y’hovah is His Name. He makes destruction flash forth upon strongholds.

Amos 5:16-20 Calamity and misfortune will come to those who long for the Day of the Lord. What will that Day mean for you? It will be a Day of darkness, not light, it will be as when someone runs from a lion only to be confronted by a bear! Or to be bitten by a snake in one’s own house! The Day of the Lord will indeed be pitch black, without any ray of light.

Amos 8:7-10 The Lord has sworn by the arrogance of Jacob, I shall not forget their sin and apostasy. Will not the land quake because of this? Will not all who live in it mourn? The whole earth will surge and seeth like the Nile, then subside like the river of Egypt. On that Day, I will darken the world at noon time, all will mourn and lament on that bitter Day. Ref: REB, CJB.

Plainly, obviously and indisputably, this Prophecy does NOT refer to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. It will be fulfilled by the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the next Prophesied event we can expect.


‘those who long for the Day of the Lord’. ‘long for, or want’, may be better translated as: ‘bring on, or cause to happen’. This applies to the enemies of the Lord, as they strive to impose their political and religious agendas onto the world; their actions will ‘call forth His wrath’. Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, Ezekiel 7:14, Isaiah 24:1


‘Calamity and misfortune will come to them’. The Lord will ‘send fire’, Amos 1:4,7,10,12,14. Amos 2:2 & 5 I shall send fire on Judah, fire to consume the palaces of Jerusalem. That is: the Jewish State of Israel.

But note that in Amos 2:6-16, all Israel, the Western nations, will be punished and their military destroyed. ‘He makes destruction flash forth onto the strongholds’. All things military will be destroyed. Hosea 2:18, Isaiah 34:2

A Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun will literally fulfil all the prophesies of this Day: Isaiah 30:25-28, Jeremiah 50:22-23, Hosea 2:18, Micah 5:10-11, Zephaniah 1:16, Jeremiah 50:27

‘The whole earth will surge and subside, like the Nile’. Massive, worldwide earthquakes will be caused by the microwave penetration of the earth’s crust by this CME. Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 24:18-19, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Revelation 6:14

‘He pours the waters of the sea over the earth’, As the earth ‘reels and shakes’, and is ‘moved from its place’, Isaiah 13:13, the lakes and oceans will move violently from side to side, causing huge tsunamis, that will engulf and devastate all the low-lying areas worldwide. Amos 9:6, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:42


‘The Day of the Lord, will be pitch black, at noontime’. Zephaniah 2:4 also mentions noon day as the time of this terrible event. However the first sign we will see will be a flash of bright light, Isaiah 30:26, Job 36:32, Psalms 18:14.
Then the huge ejected mass of superheated hydrogen plasma will blot out the sun, as it races toward earth. Isaiah 50:3, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Joel 2:1-2
It will strike the moon first, causing it to glow bright red from the thermoluminescent reaction with the lunar dust, which mainly consists of metallic oxides.


‘Jacob’s arrogant and apostate descendants’. They are the House of Judah – the Jewish people, and the House of Israel – the Western nations; they will all be judged and punished on that Day. Ezekiel 21:1-16, Zechariah 13:7-9, Hosea 7:10, Hosea 8:14, Isaiah 1:25, Luke 21:34-35, 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8

 

[dad]

That's what we see in Revelation 19. Fighting is the first thing he does once he is low enough to be seen.

He does take care of business when He comes. The valley that forms when the mount of Olives splits is the valley of decision. That is after He stands on it.He will not judge the nations and then later stand on the mount of Olives.

 

[dad]

There is ONLY ONE MORE COMING by Christ Jesus, and it is on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11, and also linked to the 7th Vial of Revelation 16, and the 6th Seal of Revelation 6.

The I guess you would not call Jesus being in the air a coming. Whatever.

 

[dad]

At Armageddon Jesus is on a horse. The horses feet touch down, not Jesus' feet.

Not what the bible says.

 

[dad]

No this is not the start of the tribulation. the tribulation (or 70th week of Daniel) commences when the antichrist signs a strong covenant for Israel for 7 years.

This Russian invasion with her allies has to occur at least 3 1/2 years before the start of teh tribulation. Why do I say that? Veryt simple. One point proves that out!

Ezekiel 39:9-10
King James Version

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.


so the weapons shall be used for fuel for 7 years! But we know that in the middle of the tribulation, the antichrist will enter the holy of holies and delare himself god and start an all out genocide against Christians and Jews.

I do not see how Israel, when fleeing for their very lives as jesus said in Matt. 24 would be bothering to gather weapons. So based on that I am convinced that the Russian invasion must take place at least 3 1/2 years before the trib starts.

That's an easy one. God tells those believers at the time to flee. Most will probably still not be believers at that time!

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus was not on a horse when He ascended.

Doesn't matter. The ascension was Jesus going up to heaven. The second coming is Jesus descending to the Earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Not what the bible says.

The Bible does not say two atomic bombs would be dropped on Japan, but that happened.

Jesus is just going to jump off the horse while the horse is still flying through the air?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The 1st point is contrary to what is commonly taught it is not THE ANTICHRIST that signs the covenant for 7 years, it is AN ANTICHRIST.

Matt 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

It is the rider on the white horse, the SEVENTH KING, who signs the covenant. The Antichrist is the eighth king.

Secondly, Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog happens after the 1000 years.

Rev 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

1. You assume the white horse rider is the seventh king. But if we allow SCripturew to speak to itself. It is highly probable that teh white rider is THE Antichrist! In Dan. He is the eleventh horn who rises after the ten who deposes three of teh ten.

2. Daniel says this ruler in the midst of the seven years ends temple sacrifice! Jesus reminded people this is the abomination of desolation who is THE Antichrist. Paul further reiterated this in Thess. when He said this man of sin enters the temple, sits on the mercy seat declaring himself he is god. Scripture overwhelmingly says he is teh antichrist.

As for the gog/magog war, you need to look and compare carefully the two mentions of this nation and its ruler:

In Ez. He comes from the north
In rev. He is empowered from the abyss.

In Ez. He only has a specific amount of allies (Gomer, togarmah, Persia Lub, Put etc.)
In Rev. He gathers a global alliance (four corners of the earth)

In Ez. The armies are destroyed in the hills of Israel.
In Rev. fire destroys them from heaven.

In Ez. gogs land is destroyed
In REv. the grerat white throne judgment occurs.

In Ez. Israel buries the dead for 7 months
In REv. eternity happens-burying the dead in the new heaven and earth???????

In Ez. Israel burns th eweapons for fues for 7 years.
In REv. Burning weapons in the new earth????????????????????

In Ez. one result is world wide revival
In rev. it is the great white throne.


Though gog and magog are mentioned, the differences between Ez. and REv. should tell all that these are different events at different times.

 

[The Light]

1. You assume the white horse rider is the seventh king.

You assume that I am assuming. The 7th king has yet to come. The 7th king is AN Antichrist who will cause the world to worship, THE ANTICHRIST, who is the eighth king who is of the seven. The rider on the white horse is the 7th king. He is the beast coming up out of the earth. He is also a king of the north.

Rev 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

But if we allow SCripturew to speak to itself.

Now you are talking my language. But, I think you mean, speak FOR itself. It's the only way.

It is highly probable that teh white rider is THE Antichrist! In Dan. He is the eleventh horn who rises after the ten who deposes three of teh ten.

There is not even the slightest of chances that the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist. Though, THE ANTICHRIST is the little horn.

2. Daniel says this ruler in the midst of the seven years ends temple sacrifice! Jesus reminded people this is the abomination of desolation who is THE Antichrist. Paul further reiterated this in Thess. when He said this man of sin enters the temple, sits on the mercy seat declaring himself he is god. Scripture overwhelmingly says he is teh antichrist.

There is more than one Antichrist. As far as THE ANTICHRIST. the Bible is perfectly clear EXACTLY who THE ANTICHRIST is. This should not be a mystery to anyone.

As for the gog/magog war, you need to look and compare carefully the two mentions of this nation and its ruler:

In Ez. He comes from the north
In rev. He is empowered from the abyss.

In Ez. He only has a specific amount of allies (Gomer, togarmah, Persia Lub, Put etc.)
In Rev. He gathers a global alliance (four corners of the earth)

In Ez. The armies are destroyed in the hills of Israel.
In Rev. fire destroys them from heaven.

In Ez. gogs land is destroyed
In REv. the grerat white throne judgment occurs.

In Ez. Israel buries the dead for 7 months
In REv. eternity happens-burying the dead in the new heaven and earth???????

In Ez. Israel burns th eweapons for fues for 7 years.
In REv. Burning weapons in the new earth????????????????????

In Ez. one result is world wide revival
In rev. it is the great white throne.


Though gog and magog are mentioned, the differences between Ez. and REv. should tell all that these are different events at different times.

Some excellent observations. Well done. I will look at this in more detail.

Here is one for you.
Eze 38
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

 

[ewq1938]

1. You assume the white horse rider is the seventh king. But if we allow SCripturew to speak to itself. It is highly probable that teh white rider is THE Antichrist! In Dan. He is the eleventh horn who rises after the ten who deposes three of teh ten.

Though gog and magog are mentioned, the differences between Ez. and REv. should tell all that these are different events at different times.

It's the same between Daniel and Revelation.

In Daniel the AC overthrows 3 kings/horns. In Revelation this does not happen. Why?

This assumes that the 4th beast In Daniel 7 is the same beast of Rev 13:1 and are the last ten horned beast of this age before the Rev 19 war of Armageddon. I know some claim the beasts are two different beasts existing at two different times.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan_7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan_7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Yet when we look at Revelation we do not find any of the kings/horns being "plucked up":

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

All ten horns remain as kings with kingdoms the entire "hour" of the GT. The only time any of them fall or are subdued is when the entire beast with all ten horns and 7 heads is defeated by Christ at Armageddon.

In addition:

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Again, all ten kings remain fully intact and even all together attack Babylon which happens at the end or just after the end of the great tribulation. Again this shows none of the ten horns/kings are subdued as we find in Daniel.


Daniel: antichrist and 10 kings/horns turns into antichrist and 7 kings/horns because three are plucked up.
Rev: antichrist and 10 kings the entire time of the great tribulation because NONE of the 10 kings/horns are plucked up.

 

[Keraz]

Eze 38
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

That proves the people inhabiting the holy Land, are NOT the present peoples.
They will all be gone after the Sixth Seal event, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14, and the new; Christian nation of Beulah will be the rightful occupiers of all the holy Land. They will trust in the Lord for their protection and He delivers! Ezekiel 39:1-7

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You assume that I am assuming. The 7th king has yet to come. The 7th king is AN Antichrist who will cause the world to worship, THE ANTICHRIST, who is the eighth king who is of the seven. The rider on the white horse is the 7th king. He is the beast coming up out of the earth. He is also a king of the north.

Rev 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



Now you are talking my language. But, I think you mean, speak FOR itself. It's the only way.

There is not even the slightest of chances that the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist. Though, THE ANTICHRIST is the little horn.


There is more than one Antichrist. As far as THE ANTICHRIST. the Bible is perfectly clear EXACTLY who THE ANTICHRIST is. This should not be a mystery to anyone.



Some excellent observations. Well done. I will look at this in more detail.


Well you will find out that whoever taught you was misguided.

The beast with two horns is the false prophet to come. Teh seventh king is unknown and the antichrist is the eighth who is of the seven.

While I will not say 100% the rider of the white horse is the antichrist, I am like ivory soap on this 99 44/100 positive, but for your sake I will say, we will find out when the time arrives.
I would love your opinion whom you think the antichrist is. there are many antichrists (generic) but there is only one THE ANTICHRIST, the beast out of the sea, the man of lawlessness, the man of sin, the abomination of desolation, who is the physical son of Satan.

It's the same between Daniel and Revelation.

In Daniel the AC overthrows 3 kings/horns. In Revelation this does not happen. Why?

This assumes that the 4th beast In Daniel 7 is the same beast of Rev 13:1 and are the last ten horned beast of this age before the Rev 19 war of Armageddon. I know some claim the beasts are two different beasts existing at two different times.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan_7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan_7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Yet when we look at Revelation we do not find any of the kings/horns being "plucked up":

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

All ten horns remain as kings with kingdoms the entire "hour" of the GT. The only time any of them fall or are subdued is when the entire beast with all ten horns and 7 heads is defeated by Christ at Armageddon.

Here is one for you.
Eze 38
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Daniel and Revelation are the same. Just because REvelation does not give all the same details as Daniel does not negate them. Not every passage describing an end time event will give all the details! That is obvious.

Well you will find out that whoever taught you was misguided.

The beast with two horns is the false prophet to come. Teh seventh king is unknown and the antichrist is the eighth who is of the seven.

While I will not say 100% the rider of the white horse is the antichriost, I am like ivory soap on this 99 44/100 positive, but for your sake I will say, we will find out when the time arrives.

This assumes that the 4th beast In Daniel 7 is the same beast of Rev 13:1 and are the last ten horned beast of this age before the Rev 19 war of Armageddon. I know some claim the beasts are two different beasts existing at two different times.

The fourth beast is the fourth kingdom of the gentiles on earth. It started with Rome, still exists today as the East/west power struggle (UK, USA/ Russia two legs of Daniels statue) It will become a one world govt as told in Dan.7 and then divide into teh ten kings or kingdoms over all teh earth and then the antichrist.

From Babylon to Jesus return is the time of the gentiles and the fourth beast reigns among the gentiles from Rome to the end continously.

 

[The Light]

Daniel and Revelation are the same. Just because REvelation does not give all the same details as Daniel does not negate them. Not every passage describing an end time event will give all the details! That is obvious.

Sure Daniel and Revelation are the same. But you are not getting it. There are two different people being discussed. In Daniel, the little horn who is the Antichrist is not the same person as the prince that shall come whose people shall destroy the temple. Also we can prove that the false Christ who is A king of the North is not the Antichrist with these verses.
Daniel 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Dan 12
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Well you will find out that whoever taught you was misguided.

You assume that someone taught me this. The rider on the white horse is not the Antichrist.

The beast with two horns is the false prophet to come. Teh seventh king is unknown and the antichrist is the eighth who is of the seven.

The beast with two horns is the false prophet.... That's what they teach isn't it. It never occurs to anyone that if the little horn is the Antichrist, the beast with two horns might be a two person beast.

While I will not say 100% the rider of the white horse is the antichriost, I am like ivory soap on this 99 44/100 positive, but for your sake I will say, we will find out when the time arrives.

The seventh king is the rider on the white horse, who is the prince that shall come whose people will destroy the third Temple. I know, everyone thinks this is speaking about the 2nd Temple and the Romans, but that is incorrect. The king of the north in Daniel 11 is the 7th king and rider on the white horse.

 

[ewq1938]

Sure Daniel and Revelation are the same.

They aren't the same.

Another difference between what Daniel and John saw is the beast is killed before he is given to flame while the beast in Revelation 19 goes into the fire alive.



Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

1. The beast was slain.
2. His body destroyed.
3. Dead and destroyed body given to flame.


That's not what John saw:

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

1. Beast is alive.
2. Body is not destroyed.
3. Cast into the lake of fire alive.

 

[dad]

The Bible does not say two atomic bombs would be dropped on Japan, but that happened.

Jesus is just going to jump off the horse while the horse is still flying through the air?

Can't He fly?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sure Daniel and Revelation are the same. But you are not getting it. There are two different people being discussed. In Daniel, the little horn who is the Antichrist is not the same person as the prince that shall come whose people shall destroy the temple. Also we can prove that the false Christ who is A king of the North is not the Antichrist with these verses.
Daniel 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Dan 12
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 11 is a prophecy of the rise of the third gentile empire (Greece) in its conquest of the second gentile empire- the Medeo Persian Empire.

You assume that someone taught me this. The rider on the white horse is not the Antichrist.

Now prove it biblically.

The beast with two horns is the false prophet.... That's what they teach isn't it. It never occurs to anyone that if the little horn is the Antichrist, the beast with two horns might be a two person beast.

Only if you break all the rules of grammar to come to a conclusion not written.

The seventh king is the rider on the white horse, who is the prince that shall come whose people will destroy the third Temple. I know, everyone thinks this is speaking about the 2nd Temple and the Romans, but that is incorrect. The king of the north in Daniel 11 is the 7th king and rider on the white horse.

Actually only preterists or partial preterists think it is the 2nd temple. And no the seventh is unknown and he is not one who makes a covenant with Israel for 7 years. How do you come to your conclusion?

 

[Davy]

This idea is total error and people cannot mix up prophesies like Amos with the glorious Return:

You mean what YOU ARE PUTTING OUT is error, because I never mentioned Amos. You might want to catch up on The New Testament revelations instead relying ONLY on the Old Testament Scriptures.

 

[Timtofly]

Can't He fly?

The only Scripture we have is that Jesus ascends and descends. Or that Jesus is on a horse. Did Jesus leave earth, flying like a superhero? People in the 1st century knew what flying was. They attributed that with birds. If Jesus had flown away, that is not what was described. Even Elijah had a chariot of fire, or a mechanism that allowed him to be taken up into heaven. Scripture just claims Jesus ascended and will descend again one day. Coming back on a horse is not the Second Coming. John never states if Jesus left on a horse, and not many even accept that when the 6th Seal is opened, that is the literal Second Coming event.

The 6th Seal is not the battle of Armageddon when Jesus returns on a horse. The battle of Armageddon is 42 months after Jesus would leave on a horse, to return 42 months later. Jesus has to descend to the Mount of Olives before the point Jesus has a horse to be riding on.

 

[dad]

The only Scripture we have is that Jesus ascends and descends. Or that Jesus is on a horse. Did Jesus leave earth, flying like a superhero? People in the 1st century knew what flying was. They attributed that with birds. If Jesus had flown away, that is not what was described. Even Elijah had a chariot of fire, or a mechanism that allowed him to be taken up into heaven. Scripture just claims Jesus ascended and will descend again one day. Coming back on a horse is not the Second Coming. John never states if Jesus left on a horse, and not many even accept that when the 6th Seal is opened, that is the literal Second Coming event.

The 6th Seal is not the battle of Armageddon when Jesus returns on a horse. The battle of Armageddon is 42 months after Jesus would leave on a horse, to return 42 months later. Jesus has to descend to the Mount of Olives before the point Jesus has a horse to be riding on.

So you think He pops down to fight a battle then disappears for some years again afterwards. That sounds funny.

I do not remember the bible saying Jesus was pulled up with ropes? Or beamed up by a chariot. No one says we need to flap our arms like a bird to fly. Angels do have wings, but they apparently have other uses than flapping. Gabriel came from the place God's throne is to Daniel's room before Daniel opened his eyes from praying.

We do know angels fly, why would we not also??
Revelation 8:13
Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven

 

[ewq1938]

Angels do have wings, but they apparently have other uses than flapping.

Angels don't have wings.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

These are the only heavenly creatures in heaven with wings.