Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[ewq1938]

Well you are biblically correct. Only cherubs and seraphs are explicitly described as having wings. But angels may have them as well. We just don't know!

People have seen angels, there are no wings. I saw one myself.

 

[ewq1938]

The angels over the ark of the covenant had wings.

Those weren't angels, they're Cherubim.

 

[ewq1938]

Did the earth stop spinning, or did the sun stop moving?

The Sun is stationary. It was the Earth that stopped.

 

[Timtofly]

Well Jesus coming back on a horse is explicitly declared in Scripture! Timtofly seems to foget that.

I said Jesus returns on a horse. How is that forgetting? The horse is after the 42 months. The Second Coming is way before the the 42 months. Did you forget that the Second Coming will not include a horse? Where was the horse in 30AD? Does that horse have eternal life? How long had the horse lived before 30AD? Was it on the ark as well with Noah?

 

[Timtofly]

The Sun is stationary. It was the Earth that stopped.

Then Psalms 19 is wrong?

 

[ewq1938]

Then Psalms 19 is wrong?

Don't ask those types of questions. The bible is never wrong.

 

[dad]

There is only one angel. The rest are on the earth.

I see, so what's this about?
Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

 

[dad]

Did the earth stop spinning, or did the sun stop moving?

Another option is that the area of the battle was placed in some sort of time warp where they existed in the future or something for the day. There is no need of the sun you know in the new earth. It may be here still, but for all we know, at that time the sun may orbit the earth!? Ha In any case if God involved time itself for that area, anything goes, and all usual ideas of time as related to movement are out the window.

 

[dad]

Yes. From the 6th Seal until the 7th Trumpet starts sounding. The 7 Thunders happen between the 6th and 7th Trumpet. That is between the 2nd and 3rd woe. The 2nd woe is completely over, then the 7 Thunders sound. Then the last event is the 7th Trumpet sounding. The 3rd woe only happens if Satan is allowed 42 months of utter desolation.

Then I guess you think that Jesus is here on earth before the armies even gather to think about going to Armageddon!

Revelation 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

[Timtofly]

Don't ask those types of questions. The bible is never wrong.

Then explain how Psalm 19 is correct if the sun is stationary.

 

[Timtofly]

I see, so what's this about?
Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

What does that have to do with this:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

 

[Timtofly]

Then I guess you think that Jesus is here on earth before the armies even gather to think about going to Armageddon!

Revelation 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

No, Jesus is waiting on Mt. Zion during those 42 months. Revelation 14:1

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."

 

[ewq1938]

Then explain how Psalm 19 is correct if the sun is stationary.

Quote it.

 

[ewq1938]

No, Jesus is waiting on Mt. Zion during those 42 months. Revelation 14:1

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."

He is not there for 42 months. He returns after the 42 months are over at the 7th trump.

 

[dad]

What does that have to do with this:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

Well it looks like more than one angel

 

[dad]

No, Jesus is waiting on Mt. Zion during those 42 months. Revelation 14:1

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."

You think you know what mount Sion is? You think Jesus is on earth during the last half of the Tribulation?

 

[Timtofly]

Well it looks like more than one angel

Obviously they have different tasks to perform.

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

All the angels working as stars came to earth. Sounds like a radical change of the firmament. Obviously not all angels work as stars. The stars are not put back until after Armageddon. Then Isaiah 65:17 kicks in. Why would the stars need to go back to their original positions? Perhaps God has a different design for those 1,000 years?

You think you know what mount Sion is? You think Jesus is on earth during the last half of the Tribulation?

Do you know where Mt. Zion is on the sides of the North? Certainly not where Santa Claus lives? Is it on earth or above earth? How would I know anything other than what is in God's Word?

The GWT is currently on earth and in the heavens. The base or pedestal is the earth. We just can't see it until the Second Coming and all spiritual blindness removed. That is the 6th Seal, because at that point, all who look north will see the face of the one sitting on the throne.

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

And some claim things cannot happen in the Seals? I guess many just won't be prepared, since they are waiting for some AC, instead of Titus 2:13

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

The GWT will be seen sooner than most expect. Revelation 20 does not say it appears. Revelation 20 says it is the only thing remaining.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Same face all saw at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal. No verse claims the GWT ever leaves view from the 6th Seal until Satan is cast into the LOF.

 

[ewq1938]

Obviously they have different tasks to perform.

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

All the angels working as stars came to earth. Sounds like a radical change of the firmament. Obviously not all angels work as stars. The stars are not put back until after Armageddon. Then Isaiah 65:17 kicks in. Why would the stars need to go back to their original positions? Perhaps God has a different design for those 1,000 years?

Those are simply the angels that follow Christ at the second coming.

 

[dad]

Obviously they have different tasks to perform.

Right, innumerable angels. All can get around, and wings are on at least some of them in any reasoned look at it.

"And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

All the angels working as stars came to earth. Sounds like a radical change of the firmament.

I won't argue with that. I have long thought that the nature in the days before (and shortly after) the flood was different. I think it will again be different in the end here. Now what you mean by 'angels working as stars' I have no idea. What is that, their day job?

Obviously not all angels work as stars. The stars are not put back until after Armageddon. Then Isaiah 65:17 kicks in. Why would the stars need to go back to their original positions? Perhaps God has a different design for those 1,000 years?

The time when earth is created new is nowhere near the Tribulation, but after the 1000 years. That is will say as if it is fact rather than 'maybe'.

Do you know where Mt. Zion is on the sides of the North? Certainly not where Santa Claus lives? Is it on earth or above earth? How would I know anything other than what is in God's Word?

I have some ideas, but what would that have to do with the battle in Eze etc? Do you think someplace from the 'sides of the north' will be here then?

The GWT is currently on earth and in the heavens. The base or pedestal is the earth. We just can't see it until the Second Coming and all spiritual blindness removed. That is the 6th Seal, because at that point, all who look north will see the face of the one sitting on the throne.

Speculation.

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

And some claim things cannot happen in the Seals? I guess many just won't be prepared, since they are waiting for some AC, instead of Titus 2:13

That does not mean the throne landed on earth. It refers to the One whose throne it is.

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

The GWT will be seen sooner than most expect. Revelation 20 does not say it appears. Revelation 20 says it is the only thing remaining.

No, it will be right on time, after the 1000 years as the bible says. No mystery there at all.

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."

Same face all saw at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal. No verse claims the GWT ever leaves view from the 6th Seal until Satan is cast into the LOF.

Of course God is the same God. That does not mean He returns to earth before He does.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Absolutely. Now even if there was no horse, I have no doubt Jesus could fly also, in this case, He rides a horse. It would also not surprise me if the horse could only fly because Jesus (or saints or angels) was ON it!? Ha.

Absolutely when we humans with our pea brains try to define and rationalize teh supernatural, almost all the time all htat happenks is we end up looking foolish.

I will accept what I cannot understand. I fully accept Jesus is coming back on a horse! There is no reason other than ones personal bias to think otherwise!