There is only one true church

[PinSeeker]

A narcissist thinks only for him/her SELF at the expense of others.

No, actually has an excessive interest in or admiration of himself... But no need to argue about that... :)

A forum sadist derives pleasure by inflicting discomfort on others. A forum masochist is addicted to being repeatedly refuted. A forum sado-masochist is one sick puppy.

Okay, but where's the relevance in all of that?

Then provide context for "binding and loosing" the way the Jews understood it.

I mean we can understand it, too, JT. Someone can be literally bound by something in one context (e.g., in shackles, handcuffs, or a jail cell), but figuratively bound in another (e.g., by rule, or by law, or in the sense of, figuratively speaking, one's hands being tied behind his back on a matter, or unable to breach or usurp another's authority)... and yes, forbidding and permitting. Both these contexts are found in the Bible.

You're baiting me to do your homework for you...

No, you're going out of your way... purposely, I guess... to try to support your position.

Is Jesus talking to Cephas as an individual or to the church as a whole?

As I said, yes. :)

Um, that doesn't answer the question.

Yes it does, just not the way you want it answered. :)

FIRST Jesus granted the power to bind and loose to Cephas (=Kephas; = Peter = Rock) as an individual, LATER granted the power to bind and loose to the APOSTLES as a collective.

Well, I don't disagree, but I still say you're short-changing what Jesus is doing there. Fastforward to Matthew 28. Do you think Jesus's directive to "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" was only meant for the disciples? I hope not...

Neither one refers to each individual believer.

Disagree.

That's a man made tradition that DENIES the Magisterium, in both OT and NT.

Ah, the Magisterium... the official and authoritative teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. Well, I say THAT is a "man-made tradition." :)

Now, just with regard to exclusivity, we all can and should claim that, certainly, but only in the sense that Jesus, the Son of God, proclaims exclusivity for Himself. Not that we are all "Jesuses," certainly, but that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

Talk Scripture, not airy principles.

I would say the same to you. Except I probably wouldn't label said principles "airy"... :)

...when a Catholic priest grants absolution, he is representing the Church as "persona Christi"...

Strongly disagree.

Do you want proof text?

I would be interested in what you might offer in that way, sure. But... be careful... :) I'll predict right now that I will probably disagree with what you say based on the same passage(s), and possibly others.

We must, and do, confess directly to God.

Well good! And why, Jude? I would like to hear your answer on that...

But that leaves out dealing with the consequences of serious sins.

Strongly disagree. How do you suppose such?

Stealing a pen from work is not the same as stealing food from a hungry family.

Hmmm.... I agree in one sense, but in another not so much...

Precisely.

Not sure what exactly this is in response to. If it is meant in response to what I said ~ "...I have to say, that sounds a bit like the crippled man by the pool in Bethesda (John 5:2-9)..." ~ then... you seem to be totally missing (or perhaps just avoiding) the point. :)

And to you PS. I'll send you a follow up if the ride to FATIMA works out; in private conversations. I don't like tempting the Christian Taliban Mary bashers.

HAHA! "Christian Taliban Mary bashers"... That's funny. :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

<chuckles>


Well, we are the body of Christ, yes, all those who are in Christ... And, yes, "(b)lessed are (we) who are persecuted ...message truncated...
This is not restricted or limited to any denomination. <smile>

Agreed. Persecution is a matter of type and degree.

Aiding the Persecuted Church

Your leading source for persecution news.

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authored by a non-Catholic sociologist.

How the Satanic Black Mass Proves the Truth of Catholicism

There have been a number of stories in the news lately of small Satanic groups publicly performing so-called “Black Masses.” These rituals are based on the Catholic mass but are inverted toward Satan and often involve the desecration of a Eucharistic host. This sort of thing is evil and should

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L.A. Dodgers Will Honor Drag Group Mocking Catholics: ‘Sisters Of Perpetual Indulgence’ - Catholic League

Bill in the News (Daily Wire): Catholic League President Bill Donohue called the group an “obscene anti-Catholic group” and said he is writing to Major League

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I could go on...

No, but invisible, in the sense that we don't know who all is in Christ, and therefore in the congregation of the righteous (Psalm 1). Not yet, but we will when Christ returns, when He separates people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and places the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left (Matthew 25).

"Reply To Calvin" #1: The Elect

One of a series of replies to all of 500+ page Book IV of "Institutes of the Christian Religion," by John Calvin (1509-1564); this one on "the elect."

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Ah, since Adam, subsequent to the Fall, documented by Moses in Genesis 3.

Q: Please explain to me how come the Douay-Rheims Gen 3:15 and the the New American Bible Gen 3:15 differ. I'm sure you know what I am talking about.

A: I certainly do. In most editions of the Douay-Rheims Bible, Genesis 3:15, in which God is addressing the serpent, reads like this:

"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

In the New American Bible, as in all other modern Bibles, it reads like this:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

The essential difference between these two renderings -- or at least the one people always ask about -- concerning who will crush the serpent's head and who the serpent is trying to strike. The Douay-Rheims uses feminine pronouns -- she and her -- implying that the woman is the person being spoken of in this part of the verse. All modern translations use masculine pronouns -- he and his -- implying that the seed of the woman is the of that part of the verse.

The reason for the difference in the renderings is a manuscript difference. Modern translations follow what the original Hebrew of the passage says. The Douay-Rheims, however, is following a manuscript variant found in many early Fathers and some editions of the Vulgate (but not the original; Jerome followed the Hebrew text in his edition of the Vulgate). The variant probably originated as a copyist error when a scribe failed to take note that the subject of the verse had shifted from the woman to the seed of the woman.

People notice this variant today because the expression found in the Douay-Rheims has been the basis of some popular Catholic art, showing a serene Mary standing over a crushed serpent.

This is because Christians have recognized (all the way back to the first century) that the woman and her seed mentioned in Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons (either Abel or Seth). They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. Thus, just as the first half of the verse, speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman, has been applied to Mary, the second half, speaking of the head crushing and heel striking, has also been applied to Mary due to the manuscript variant, though it properly applies to Jesus, given the original Hebrew.

This does not mean that the idea cannot be validly applied to Mary as well. Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary's heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27). As the holy priest Simeon had told her years before:

"Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against -- and a sword will pierce through your own soul also -- that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed" (Luke 2:34b-35).

Thus Jesus crushed the serpent directly and was directly struck by the serpent; Mary, through her cooperation in the incarnation and her witnessing the sufferings and death of her Son, indirectly crushed the serpent and was indirectly struck by the serpent.

This has long been recognized by Catholics. The footnotes provided a couple of hundred years ago by Bishop Challoner in his revision of the Douay state, "The sense [of these two readings] is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head."

https://www.cin.org/users/james/questions/q105.htm

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The majority? No, all. We who are in Christ, for whom there is therefore now no condemnation (Romans 8:1), are all one in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28)...

Agreed. Catechism of the Catholic Church 817-820

reconciled to God in one body through the cross... ..truncated for the sake of brevity
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• "...my God, my Rock, in Whom I take refuge, my Shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my Savior; You save me from violence" (2 Samuel 22:3).

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1 Cor. 3:11 – Jesus is called the only foundation of the Church, and yet in Eph. 2:20, the apostles are called the foundation of the Church. Similarly, in 1 Peter 2:25, Jesus is called the Shepherd of the flock, but in Acts 20:28, the apostles are called the shepherds of the flock.

These verses show that there are multiple metaphors for the Church, and that words used by the inspired writers of Scripture can have various meanings. Catholics agree that God is the rock of the Church, but this does not mean He cannot confer this distinction upon Peter as well, to facilitate the unity He desires for the Church.

...and Peter's confession in Matthew 16:16, that He is "...the Christ, the Son of the living God" and that Jesus then, pronouncing Peter "blessed" because "flesh and blood (had) not revealed this to (Peter), but (His, Christ's) Father Who is in heaven," is the rock (little 'r').

The Greek for "little rock' is lithos; it is not used in Matthew 16

The Person ~ Jesus of course ~ is the Rock of our salvation, and the confession that He is Who He is ~ God in the flesh, of course ~ is the rock on which He is building His Church, which the gates of hell will not prevail against (Matthew 16:13-19). As Jesus says in Matthew 7:24-26...

"Everyone then who hears these words of..." (His) "...and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock..." ~ we build our house on this confession, that Jesus is the Christ ~ and this house will "...not fall, because it..." will have been "...founded..." or based, as true confessions of the heart are, "...on the Rock..." (vv.24-25)​

Jesus builds His Church on PEOPLE, not confessions.

But He goes on to say that:

"...everyone who hears these words of (His) and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand..." ~ built his house on a false confession, even the confession that "there is no God," which is the confession of the heart of the fool (Psalm 14:1, 53:1) ~ and, when the winds come, "great (will be) the fall of" that house (vv.26-27). ​

The latter confession (vv.26-27) is sand, even sinking sand, on which there will be no standing; the ones who stand on it will be those who are on Christ's left at the final Judgment, and they will not stand in the congregation of the righteous (Psalm 1).

So...

OK. If Mary didn't do the will of God perfectly, and acted on it, Jesus would not have been born, or
God would have to find somebody else.
No Mary, no Jesus. Know Mary, know Jesus. It's that simple.

Grace and peace to all.

And also with you PS. Thank you for the pleasure of answering you. Keep seeking.
But please keep your posts down to 2 or three topics, not 15. You are going 100 miles and hour and I only have a 10 mile an hour brain.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Oh there be a message from heaven . concerning the harlot , COME YE OUT OF HER
be not partakers of her sin , FOR STRONG is the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY that shall judge her .
Come ye out my peoples and unify not with a harlot .

Brother is spotted.

 

[RedFan]

Christians have recognized (all the way back to the first century) that the woman and her seed mentioned in Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons (either Abel or Seth). They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus.

I'd like to read those first century recognitions. Can you point some out to me?

Or should I ask Jimmy Akins, whose post on the subject you copied (without attribution)?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Oh there be a message from heaven . concerning the harlot , COME YE OUT OF HER
be not partakers of her sin , FOR STRONG is the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY that shall judge her .
Come ye out my peoples and unify not with a harlot .

 

[PinSeeker]

Just a few things...

Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary's heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27).

Mary is not in any way a co-Redeemer or co-Savior with Jesus.

This has long been recognized by Catholics.

I'm well aware of that. <smile>

1 Cor. 3:11 – Jesus is called the only foundation of the Church, and yet in Eph. 2:20, the apostles are called the foundation of the Church.

Ah, well, in Ephesians 2:20, Christ is called the cornerstone, which is the foundation of the foundation, if you will. So yes, Jesus is the true foundation, the cornerstone, which is laid first. "In Him..." ~ as verse 21 and 22 go on to say, "...the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him (we) also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit."

Similarly, in 1 Peter 2:25, Jesus is called the Shepherd of the flock, but in Acts 20:28, the apostles are called the shepherds of the flock.

Only Jesus... really YAHWEH, the triune Jehovah God... is the Good Shepherd ~ Psalm 23; John 10. We are all shepherds, in very important but far lesser ways, of course, in that we certainly encourage each other and build each other up in the Lord, thus fulfilling our calling, the great privilege He has given us to serve Him, to be used by Him in His work of preserving His people Israel to the end.

Catholics agree that God is the rock of the Church,

Yes, and that's... unfortunate...

Jesus builds His Church on PEOPLE, not confessions.

He builds His church on Himself. And His people ARE ~ Israel IS ~ His Church.

OK. If Mary didn't do the will of God perfectly, and acted on it, Jesus would not have been born, or God would have to find somebody else. No Mary, no Jesus.

Hmmm... well, in a way, we all do His will, even unbelievers. Among other passages, Paul tells us this in Romans 8:28, saying, "for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." But certainly, there was no "plan B"... <smile>. Certainly no need for that. <smile>

Know Mary, know Jesus. It's that simple.

Actually, knowing Mary should help us in knowing ourselves. Her faith was certainly great. She certainly delighted in the Lord, and He directed her paths (Psalm 37:4; 119:47). She certainly delighted to do His will (Psalm 40:8). Oh, to have a faith like hers...

Thank you for the pleasure of answering you.

<smile>

Keep seeking.

Yes, I would say the same to you. JT.

But please keep your posts down to 2 or three topics, not 15. You are going 100 miles and hour and I only have a 10 mile an hour brain.

On a message board like this, these discussions tend to be very wide-ranging. Or at least they get that way, the longer they go, because various... musings... tend put folks on unexpected tangents and then at odds with several different things in Scripture, and those things often have to be addressed, too. But "at odds" with other passages... not intentionally, of course, but that's very often what happens in these discussions. And because of that, these discussions, especially because of the venue, can become at least a bit unwieldy. But hey, the great thing about this venue is, if it feels like things are moving too fast, you can read things over and over again if necessary and in that way make things to "slow down" so that you can "catch up." <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Behold]

No one gave anyone the authority to found another Church apart from the one Christ founded and with which He identifies as one.

Each individual born again believer is the "church", exactly as they are the "body of Christ", exactly as they are the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

 

[Augustin56]

Each individual born again believer is the "church", exactly as they are the "body of Christ", exactly as they are the "temple of the Holy Spirit".

So, you're going to ignore the fact that Jesus established a heirarchy in His Church, a structure, a visible Church? To do that, you have to ingore Scripture and the Early Church Fathers who tell us how the first Christians, the ones closest in time and culture to Christ, believed. You have to glam onto mistakes made after the 16th century by mere men.

 

[Behold]

So, you're going to ignore the fact that Jesus established a heirarchy in His Church,

""""Jesus came into the world to save sinners""""", not create a vile man made Mary and water baptism worshiping "cult of the virgin" that has redefined, "church", against God's own definition.
Thats a fact.

Let me show you what your Pope can't comprehend.

If you were the only person on earth, and Jesus saved you, then were is your "Heirarchy", and your "man made traditions'?

YET, you would be "the Church" and "the body of Christ", and "the Temple of the Holy Spirit".

Now, i know you can't grasp this, as you are theologically and mentally compromised by a man made false religious system that has elevated Mary in a Way that God never did and never will... @Augustin56 .
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[Jude Thaddeus]

Just a few things...

...ALRIGHT, GLOVES OFF!!!
Yea, 5 or 6 misconceptions, conjuring scripture to attack the CC, (typical Protestant methodology) and one snarky remark. That's not 2 or three topics like I asked.

Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary's heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27).​

Mary is not in any way a co-Redeemer or co-Savior with Jesus.

Off topic emotional derailer. "co" does not mean "equal to". Analogously, the co-pilot of a commercial airplane is not of equal authority to the captain. "co-Redeemer" is a theological term related to redemptive suffering whenever any Christian unites their suffering with the suffering of Christ. Generally, redemptive suffering is foreign to most, if not all, of Protestantism.
The Taliban have trouble with plain English too.

Are you trying to tell me "...a sword will pierce your soul" has nothing to do with the Crucifixion??? "that the thoughts of many hearts will be laid bare..." Was Simeon a holy man or not? WHO ARE THE MANY???

Suffering - Scripture Catholic

Matt. 10:38 – Jesus said, “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” Jesus defines discipleship as one’s willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did. Matt. 16:24; […]

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Luke 14:27 – Jesus said, “whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.

John 7:39 – Jesus was first glorified on the cross, not just the resurrection. This text refers to John 19:34, when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the soldier’s lance. THAT HIS MOTHER WATCHED!!! Oh that has nothing to do with my salvation. WHAT POVERTY! You offer no plausible alternative to my post concerning Gen. 3:15

John 12:24 – unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.

This has long been recognized by Catholics.

I'm well aware of that. <smile>

No, you don't get it. That's why you quote me with out-of-context snippets of my post. <smack>

I'm still waiting for a verse in the Bible that forbids Scripture in art form.

IDOLATRY!!! MARY WORSHIP!!!
​

1 Cor. 3:11 – Jesus is called the only foundation of the Church, and yet in Eph. 2:20, the apostles are called the foundation of the Church.

Ah, well, in Ephesians 2:20, Christ is called the cornerstone, which is the foundation of the foundation, if you will. So yes, Jesus is the true foundation, the cornerstone, which is laid first. "In Him..." ~ as verse 21 and 22 go on to say, "...the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him (we) also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit."​

Ah, well, the apostles and prophets are not the foundation but a collection of individual believers is??? A typical Calvinoid false dichotomy. But you are no Calvinist. A Bible Student or a Jehovah's Witless. I caught on after the third time I studied your post. JW's are trained not to let on they are JW's until after their victims eat the bait.

Ephesians 2:20 Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:​

What kind of Bible are you reading? A lie by omission is still a lie. ​

Similarly, in 1 Peter 2:25, Jesus is called the Shepherd of the flock, but in Acts 20:28, the apostles are called the shepherds of the flock.

Only Jesus... really YAHWEH, the triune Jehovah God... is the Good Shepherd ~ Psalm 23; John 10. We are all shepherds, in very important but far lesser ways, of course, in that we certainly encourage each other and build each other up in the Lord, thus fulfilling our calling, the great privilege He has given us to serve Him, to be used by Him in His work of preserving His people Israel to the end.​

THIEF!!! You rob metaphors of their meaning. Shepherd of the flock (singular) refers to Jesus. Shepherds of the flock (plural) refers to the Apostles, NOT a collection of individual believers. This 'reply' denies the fact that words in scripture can have more than one meaning, such as ROCK, what I originally said that you conveniently left out.

Catholics agree that God is the rock of the Church,

Yes, and that's... unfortunate...​

Do you mean it's unfortunate that you disagree with what we agree on?
Or is it unfortunate you don't know what ROCK means?
That's a snarky asinine remark if I ever say one.

There is no "Catholic" God. Jesus builds His Church on PEOPLE, not confessions.

He builds His church on Himself. And His people ARE ~ Israel IS ~ His Church.​

You are Cephas and upon myself I will build my church???. DUH!!! Maybe @Bread of Life can post dozens of PROTESTANT scholars and reference manuals that have backed away from what the so called reformers were forced to invent.
The Eucharistic Sacrifice in the Upper Room is ONE AND THE SAME SACRIFICE AS THE CRUCIFIXION. I've been in dozens of Protestant services and never seen the fulfilment of this truth in any meaningful sense. But now I know you are not a Protestant.

OK. If Mary didn't do the will of God perfectly, and acted on it, Jesus would not have been born, or God would have to find somebody else. No Mary, no Jesus.

Hmmm... well, in a way, we all do His will, even unbelievers. Among other passages, Paul tells us this in Romans 8:28, saying, "for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." But certainly, there was no "plan B"... <smile>. Certainly no need for that. <smile>​

Hmmm, everybody and their dog, but leave Mary out of the picture. <smack>

Know Mary, know Jesus. It's that simple.

Actually, knowing Mary should help us in knowing ourselves. Her faith was certainly great. She certainly delighted in the Lord, and He directed her paths (Psalm 37:4; 119:47). She certainly delighted to do His will (Psalm 40:8). Oh, to have a faith like hers...​

That's the first sensible thing you have said in your entire post.

Thank you for the pleasure of answering you.

<smile>

Keep seeking.

Yes, I would say the same to you. JT.

But please keep your posts down to 2 or three topics, not 15. You are going 100 miles and hour and I only have a 10 mile an hour brain.

On a message board like this, these discussions tend to be very wide-ranging. Or at least they get that way, the longer they go, because various... musings... tend put folks on unexpected tangents and then at odds with several different things in Scripture, and those things often have to be addressed, too. But "at odds" with other passages... not intentionally, of course, but that's very often what happens in these discussions. And because of that, these discussions, especially because of the venue, can become at least a bit unwieldy. But hey, the great thing about this venue is, if it feels like things are moving too fast, you can read things over and over again if necessary and in that way make things to "slow down" so that you can "catch up." <smile>​

Butcher my posts the way you did once more, and this discussion is over. <smack>

I often wonder if Mary bashing prot cultists, left @Behind, '(not mentioning any names) have dysfunctional mothers, or no mother at all.

 

[Augustin56]

""""Jesus came into the world to save sinners""""", not create a vile man made Mary and water baptism worshiping "cult of the virgin" that has redefined, "church", against God's own definition.
Thats a fact.

Let me show you what your Pope can't comprehend.

If you were the only person on earth, and Jesus saved you, then were is your "Heirarchy", and your "man made traditions'?

YET, you would be "the Church" and "the body of Christ", and "the Temple of the Holy Spirit".

Now, i know you can't grasp this, as you are theologically and mentally compromised by a man made false religious system that has elevated Mary in a Way that God never did and never will... @Augustin56 .
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This anti-Mary thing you have going on is a fairly recent thing in the history of Christianity. It's a man-made doctrine created solely for rebelling against Christ's Church. It stems from ignorance of Christ, Christianity, and Scripture. Even the men that led the Reformers had a great deal of respect for the Virgin Mary.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

This anti-Mary thing you have going on is a fairly recent thing in the history of Christianity. It's a man-made doctrine created solely for rebelling against Christ's Church. It stems from ignorance of Christ, Christianity, and Scripture. Even the men that led the Reformers had a great deal of respect for the Virgin Mary.

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This anti-Mary thing started after the Enlightenment Era, that "enlightened" mankind with formalized atheism and communism. Before the Enlightenment Era, NOT A SINGLE PROT DEN0MINATION taught this anti-Mary venom.
it's MODERNISM, the synthesis of all heresies. Sadly, too many of todays prots are caught up in a major cover up of what their own spiritual ancestors taught. When challenged to prove otherwise, by citing ONE denomination, they

 

[Behold]

This anti-Mary thing you have going on is a fairly recent thing in the history of Christianity. It's a man-made doctrine created solely for rebelling against Christ's Church. It stems from ignorance of Christ, Christianity, and Scripture. Even the men that led the Reformers had a great deal of respect for the Virgin Mary.

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Those quotes prove that the "cult of the virgin", mentality, as a false theology, is alive and well.
And you are certainly proving it... @Augustin56 .

The NT says that "mary is blessed among women" and the "cult of the virgin" says she is exalted ABOVE them....

A.) Never

Mary was a sinner, born "in adam" same as you, and had to be forgiven by the Blood of Jesus, same as us all.

*******************"but behold the "cult of the virgin" taught me to tell you that "mary was born free from original sin".*************

Yes i know what your cult has you believing.. @Augustin56

 

[Augustin56]

This anti-Mary thing started after the Enlightenment Era, that "enlightened" mankind with formalized atheism and communism. Before the Enlightenment Era, NOT A SINGLE PROT DEN0MINATION taught this anti-Mary venom.
it's MODERNISM, the synthesis of all heresies. Sadly, too many of todays prots are caught up in a major cover up of what their own spiritual ancestors taught. When challenged to prove otherwise, by citing ONE denomination, they

Good point, Jude Thaddeus! It is only by the workings of the Holy Sprit that one can come to the fullness of Christ's truth. We should pray for those who have been blinded by false doctrines and indoctrination. Those who are truly open to the Holy Spirit are open to conversion to Christ's Church, the Catholic Church. Those who are not...are not.

 

[amigo de christo]

This anti-Mary thing started after the Enlightenment Era, that "enlightened" mankind with formalized atheism and communism. Before the Enlightenment Era, NOT A SINGLE PROT DEN0MINATION taught this anti-Mary venom.
it's MODERNISM, the synthesis of all heresies. Sadly, too many of todays prots are caught up in a major cover up of what their own spiritual ancestors taught. When challenged to prove otherwise, by citing ONE denomination, they

We sure do need to flee from the chambers of a harlot
but if it makes you feel any better folks need to flee from a lot of her prostestant daughters too .
its time and its high time we pick up the bible for ourselves .

 

[Behold]

This anti-Mary thing

There is no such thing as "anti-Mary", as Mary is just a person whom God chose to birth Jesus.
She's not more then this, and the Catholic Cult has created a false identity for the "perpetual virgin" , by creating a lie......many of them regarding "Mary"..... and these lies are not to be tolerated.

God didnt create a "perpetual virgin" "who ascended to heaven"...

The "Cult of the Virgin" created this incredible falsehood, this enormous continuation of the same Theology that is exactly what Pre-Christian Pagan's teach regarding the Goddess Diana, that was adopted by "early church fathers", and rebranded as "Devotion to the Blessed Virgin" that originally created "the CULT of the VIRGIN".

 

[Augustin56]

There is no such thing as "anti-Mary", as Mary is just a person whom God chose to birth Jesus.
She's not more then this, and the Catholic Cult has created a false identity for the "perpetual virgin" , by creating a lie......many of them regarding "Mary"..... and these lies are not to be tolerated.

God didnt create a "perpetual virgin" "who ascended to heaven"...

The "Cult of the Virgin" created this incredible falsehood, this enormous continuation of the same Theology that is exactly what Pre-Christian Pagan's teach regarding the Goddess Diana, that was adopted by "early church fathers", and rebranded as "Devotion to the Blessed Virgin" that originally created "the CULT of the VIRGIN".

Clearly, you don't know Scripture. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant.

 

[Behold]

Good point, Jude Thaddeus! It is only by the workings of the Holy Sprit that one can come to the fullness of Christ's truth.

"Mary flew to heaven in a dead body" ( Ascension of Mary), and "Mary is a perpetual virgin"... and "Mary is co-mediator with Jesus, helping bring souls to salvation"..

See those 3 Lies.?

You should not have believed them, and the reason you do, is because you've been taught that "the bible is not actually completed".. "Its just a work in progress, that the "cult of the Virgin's" Church Father's, have begun to complete and are still completing".

And what is that?
That is what the NT refers to as "your Traditions have reduced the Holy Word of God, to nothing, because your Traditions have replaced it".

That's the problem with the Catholic Cult.................. and thats the root demonic aspect of it, that evolves all the rest of its perpetual heresy.

 

[RedFan]

Analogizing 2 Samuel 6:9 and Luke 1:43 just doesn't fly. I don't know what translation of 2 Samuel 6:9 has "Who am I that the ark of my Lord should come to me?" but it is obviously gerrymandered. The true sense of David's statement is one of consternation after witnessing God strike dead someone who had touched the ark; David was terrified, and expressing concern about how he would be able to take possession of the ark into his house. Read 2 Samuel 6 in the New Catholic Version and you will get the sense of the passage.

 

[Augustin56]

"Mary flew to heaven in a dead body" ( Ascension of Mary), and "Mary is a perpetual virgin"... and "Mary is co-mediator with Jesus, helping bring souls to salvation"..

See those 3 Lies.?

You should not have believed them, and the reason you do, is because you've been taught that "the bible is not actually completed".. "Its just a work in progress, that the "cult of the Virgin's" Church Father's, have begun to complete and are still completing".

And what is that?
That is what the NT refers to as "your Traditions have reduced the Holy Word of God, to nothing, because your Traditions have replaced it".

That's the problem with the Catholic Cult.................. and thats the root demonic aspect of it, that evolves all the rest of its perpetual heresy.

1st & 3rd are lies. 2nd is from Scripture, if you know how to properly interpret it.

Scripture also refers to Tradition as being on an equal footting with Scripture. See 2 Thes 2:15.

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and HOLD FAST to the TRADITIONS that you were taught ,either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

Jesus didn't write a book to spread His truths. He founded a Church to do so. He orally trained the Apostles, giving them His authority. The Apostles, likewise, orally trained their successors, the bishops.