THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[amigo de christo]

so what is the truth

For this reason i came forth , for this cause came i into the world
that I should bear witness unto the Truth
Everyone who is of the truth HEARS my voice .
JESUS IS THE TRUTH . and interfaith THE LIE of anti christ .

 

[Wrangler]

You have a view that there is an absence of concept and verses about the Trinity in scripture ( a contradiction as YOU see it) and I disagreed

It's not a view but a fact that the trinity* is not in the Bible. It's not about agreement but evidence.


* To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

 

[amigo de christo]

…but Is Jesus God?

Go to and behold the scriptures one and all .
In the pages of torah and new testament it can be seen .
For no angel , no man , no not even speaking donkey
ever once claimed to be the alpha and omega , the beginning and the end , the first and the last .
THERE IS no angel EVER said that .
But GOD DID .
And in revelation JESUS DID . The answers are in the scriptures . But beware of men
for they will twist and omit and even been known to change bibles to fit a lie .
AS i am sure you already WELL KNOW my friend . The very angel unto whom even john had knelt
before in heaven said NOT I AM ALPHA and OMEGA
but rather said GET THEE UP , WORSHIP GOD .
Men do and they will do as their lustful heart leads them and will believe as they beleive according to that which
pleases them .
BUT SHEEP HEAR ONE VOICE . CHRIST JESUS . Let every WORD OF GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar .
Let no man take and add too or take away from the WORD and words of GOD lest they be found A LIAR .

 

[Wrangler]

I also wasn't finished with my post when you responded ( accidently posting it before I was done).
Go back and read, there is another whopper in there for you to confound you!

I've don that too. I'll go back ...

After you answer my questions, I’ll answer yours.

You claim you answered this but you wrote a non-responsive reply. The question below is getting past the debate that you said was futile and no longer wanted to engage in. Odd for you to then retort that you have a whopper to confound me. This is just another example of intellectual dishonesty.

1. You say you don't care about the trinity. Yet, you make post after post in a thread on that topic.
2. You say debating is futile. Yet, you keep making assertions that there is ANYTHING in Scripture that is like the trinity verse I posted many times.

As a trinitarian, what do you make of the absence of the trinity (concept, not just word) and no verse teaching why believe in the trinity is important?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Here is Truth—The Trinity plainly revealed here:

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV) For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Might there be a distinction between what something IS and what something is CALLED? (Just asking)

 

[Wrangler]

Might there be a distinction between what something IS and what something is CALLED? (Just asking)

Because trinitarians are so desperate to "manufacture" support for their doctrine, completely foreign to the single God believing Christ, they overlook the fact that Isaiah 9:6 is not a messianic prophecy. A child "IS" born refers to present tense, written about 5 centuries before Christ's birth.

Regarding your question, I make the same point when they talk about Jesus being Emmanuel. 2 points:

1. He is named Jesus, not Emmanuel.
2. Are all Emmanuel's also God? If not, why not?

 

[RLT63]

Another anti-truth. He admitted not knowing as much as God.

About one thing. It's a model of the Jewish wedding tradition. The father told the son when he could go get his bride based on the progress he made on building them a place to stay.

 

[amigo de christo]

Might there be a distinction between what something IS and what something is CALLED? (Just asking)

Confuscious says many things my friend but remember and remember well how closely that resembles confusion .
GOD called HIMSELF alpha and omega , the first and the last . CAUSE HE IS .
And CHRIST JESUS used them lines as well , cause HE IS . the WORD of GOD become flesh and GOD is His word .
While the great depths of this beauty might be hard to be grasped and understood
the key is NEVER Add confusion to try and twist something . What was written is TRUTH
and if it was written that GOD is HIS word , THEN HE BE HIS WORD and that word was in the beginning
and all things were created by HIM . That Word be the WORD OF GOD and GOD BE HIS WORD . lets just
keep it real simple folks . Lest one denies the diety of Christ and be found a liar .
It might not be fully understood but what we dont want to do is twist things . JUST beleive what is written
and let no man rewrite and or scramble truth as a man does eggs lest that omelet be the food of death .
NOT safe and not GOOD to alter , add too or take from the TRUTH OF GOD .

 

[RLT63]

Because trinitarians are so desperate to "manufacture" support for their doctrine, completely foreign to the single God believing Christ, they overlook the fact that Isaiah 9:6 is not a messianic prophecy. A child "IS" born refers to present tense, written about 5 centuries before Christ's birth.

Regarding your question, I make the same point when they talk about Jesus being Emmanuel. 2 points:

1. He is named Jesus, not Emmanuel.
2. Are all Emmanuel's also God? If not, why not?

So another God was born 5 centuries before Christ? Your claim doesn't fit with the next verse
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Isa 9:7 - Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

 

[Wrangler]

About one thing.

Not knowing one thing disqualifies the claim of being all knowing.

 

[RLT63]

Not knowing one thing disqualifies the claim of being all knowing.

As I said it's to fulfill the model of the wedding ritual.
Didn't Jesus say he went to prepare a place for us?

Jhn 14:2 - In my Father's house are many mansions:if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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Jhn 14:3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[Wrangler]

So another God was born 5 centuries before Christ?

There are many gods and lords in Scripture.

As I said it's to fulfill the model of the wedding ritual.

yea, not sure why you reference that. Jesus said he does not know the hour of his return. Only God knows that.

 

[amigo de christo]

Take heed and always remember that a lie added into the pot of TRUTH
causes a stink to come forth
for as dung added to a pot of soup it will destroy the beautiful smell of that there soup .
Ye can add sugar to dung but to a lamb it will SURELY STINK .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Confuscious says many things my friend but remember and remember well how closely that resembles confusion .
GOD called HIMSELF alpha and omega , the first and the last . CAUSE HE IS .
And CHRIST JESUS used them lines as well , cause HE IS . the WORD of GOD become flesh and GOD is His word .
While the great depths of this beauty might be hard to be grasped and understood
the key is NEVER Add confusion to try and twist something . What was written is TRUTH
and if it was written that GOD is HIS word , THEN HE BE HIS WORD and that word was in the beginning
and all things were created by HIM . That Word be the WORD OF GOD and GOD BE HIS WORD . lets just
keep it real simple folks . Lest one denies the diety of Christ and be found a liar .
It might not be fully understood but what we dont want to do is twist things . JUST beleive what is written
and let no man rewrite and or scramble truth as a man does eggs lest that omelet be the food of death .
NOT safe and not GOOD to alter , add too or take from the TRUTH OF GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[RLT63]

There are many gods and lords in Scripture.

yea, not sure why you reference that. Jesus said he does not know the hour of his return. Only God knows that.

Because the father told the son when he could go get his bride.
The bride had to be ready for him to come at any time.
Remember the virgins and the oil for their lamps?

 

[David in NJ]

Oops! You said it before I did, sorry.

@David in NJ, do you believe there’s hellfire? ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment)? That (Christendom’s version) was started by the RCC, too.

Who are BFF’s again?

Good Morning

Hell - also called Gehenna was at least a thousand years BEFORE the Word became flesh and walked among us.

Do you believe the LORD Jesus spoke of "hell/Sheol/Gehenna" just to scare people AND that it does not exist???

 

[David in NJ]

Because the father told the son when he could go get his bride.
The bride had to be ready for him to come at any time.
Remember the virgins and the oil for their lamps?

Good Morning Brother,

You are 100% CORRECT with - "Because the father told the son when he could go get his bride."

How do we know this? = from JESUS own words - John 6:37

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

 

[David in NJ]

Oops! You said it before I did, sorry.

@David in NJ, do you believe there’s hellfire? ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment)? That (Christendom’s version) was started by the RCC, too.

Who are BFF’s again?

Scientific proof - If there weren't 'hellfire' how could i possibly make coffee in the morning?

 

[Scott Downey]

Good Morning Brother,

You are 100% CORRECT with - "Because the father told the son when he could go get his bride."

How do we know this? = from JESUS own words - John 6:37

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

Yes, we must be chosen in Him by God the Father or we will not come to the Son and believe.
That personal holy calling was given to US who eventually do believe in this life from before time began.

2 timothy 1

8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles. 12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

 

[IronMaiden]

Might there be a distinction between what something IS and what something is CALLED? (Just asking)

In this case, as we have so much Scripture that supports the Trinity and that tells us, without a doubt, that Jesus and the Father are One, the answer would have to be “no.” Let the Holy Spirit whisper in your ear this Wonderful truth, CadyandZoe.