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keithr

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It is an explanation how God and Christ and the Spirit could be one GOD.
What is? The Trinity doctrine? It's a very poor explanation of a possibility that God's Word does not teach!

Regardless, believe this like Christ said,

John 14
7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Not disregarding the Scriptures, you should believe as Jesus taught, that our heavenly Father is the only true God:

John 17:3 (WEB):
(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​
John 20:17 (WEB):
(17) Jesus said to her, “Don’t hold me, for I haven’t yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”​

and as Paul confirmed:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (TLV):
(6) yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Yeshua the Messiah, through whom are all things, and we exist through Him.​

Those are simple, plain statements that people can understand. Remember Paul's statement - Galatians 1:8 (ESV):

(8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.​
 

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All according to you..Jesus is the Son Of God..he is not God, plus he is seated at the right hand of God,so all the scripture that you have posted, has been blown straight out of the water.

Acts 7:54-60​

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54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God
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57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Why reject what the scripture says, I did not write those words.
It's the same old human philosophy that says otherwise.

All the scriptures about Jesus being a man are true, He was God and man together, this was necessary for us to be saved
There was never any man who did not sin.
Christ is before all things
Christ is before the creation of man

Man appears on the sixth day, and Christ made men, Christ did not make Himself.
 

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Why reject what the scripture says, I did not write those words.
It's the same old human philosophy that says otherwise.

All the scriptures about Jesus being a man are true, He was God and man together, this was necessary for us to be saved
There was never any man who did not sin.
Christ is before all things
Christ is before the creation of man

Man appears on the sixth day, and Christ made men, Christ did not make Himself.
You’re the one rejecting it.,you said Jesus is God.,scripture just proved to you he isn’t..
 

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What do you mean sit in judgement? X
Stating that someone is not Born again because you ( meaning anyone as a number of people are doing it ) don’t agree with what or how they are wording their testimony.
Personally invalidated what God has done in someone’s life is walking a very thin line
 
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Josh 24
[15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;

I freely chose the Lord God Almighty.
9The true Light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God
1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

I freely elected the Lord God Almighty.

2Pet.1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

I freely called AND elected the Lord God Almighty.

Matt 20: Gods Word challenged me …. IF I was Able….
[22]: …able to drink of the cup that Jesus drank of, and be baptized with the baptism that Jesus was baptized with?

And TO Jesus (not you) I freely gave my answer, I was Able.

Romans 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I freely confessed with my mouth unto the Lord God Almighty my Heartful Belief IN and Of Him.

By, Through, Of Gods Biblical Spiritual Offering and Way…
I absolutely DID Of my own FREEWILL, call, choose, elect and Confess the Lord God Almighty….


And If that is not to your liking or belief ….
So what?

I was Freely Establishing a Forever Offered Relationship with my Lord, my God, His Spirit, His Truth, my King, my Master, my Creator, my Maker….. not you.



No where In Scripture did I search for “your words” to verify Gods Word and to establish a Relationship with God.

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
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31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


“Your word” does Not align in agreement with Gods Word….since you claim you had NOT your own FREEWILL to Choose God.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things


( I do not imagine in the least God Forcing Anyone To be With Him, that which THEY have not FREELY Chosen Him. )

John 3
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Jesus and Nicodemus
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Stating that someone is not Born again because you ( meaning anyone as a number of people are doing it ) don’t agree with what or how they are wording their testimony.
It’s not me that’s just saying it ,have you read the others posts from @Taken @David in NJ ?
Personally invalidated what God has done in someone’s life is walking a very thin line
Are you saying that testimonies shouldn’t be biblical?

Anyone can say they are Born Again, it needs to line up with Gods word on what it means to be Born Again.not our private testimonies on what we think it means @Rita ..that would be walking a thin line.
 

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It’s not me that’s just saying it ,

Are you saying that testimonies shouldn’t be biblical?
And if you read my post I am stating that a number of people have been doing that , with regards to someone coming to faith ( being born again ) God works within an individuals life in different ways and at different times, are any of us knowledgeable enough to say it’s not valid. !?
Anyway I am not going to argue with you , I placed a friendly warning on here because a number of people are sitting in judgement over one another, and it goes back and fourth over pages and pages of this thread. The other option is to lock the thread - which I am trying to avoid xx
 

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It said that he was standing on his right hand...how can these trinitarian believers fight against that...he ain’t God, period..
They don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Go back to the first 2 questions I had for you. Perhaps you can answer them now.

1. How do you reconcile the trinity, in general, and the claim that Jesus is God, in particular, with Jesus’ own explicit statements that he has a God (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12), and Jesus’ God is the only true God (John 17:3)?

2. What is Biblically more important:
A. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NLT) All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He (singular) is the eternal King, the unseen one (singular) who never dies; he (singular) alone (singular) is God. Amen. (emphasis added)
B. Divide glory, even among God’s servants (explicitly stated to include Jesus @ Acts 3:13)?
 

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They don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Go back to the first 2 questions I had for you. Perhaps you can answer them now.
I don’t properly understand your questions @Wrangler ..this what I came up with.

John 20:17​

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17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Exodus 20:3-5

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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
 
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So, you don’t believe in the trinity as well?
It depends on what one means by "Trinity." The Bible teaches about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that these three are "one". But the Bible does not teach about a "godhead" consisting of three persons, all of one substance.
 
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It depends on what one means by "Trinity." The Bible teaches about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that these three are "one". But the Bible does not teach about a "godhead" consisting of three persons, all of one substance.
Amen!...agreed.look at this as well @CadyandZoe

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God
 
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St. SteVen said:
Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?

Jesus doesn't fit that definition. So, what was he?


That HOLY THING….”Gods WORD”
Which God Put IN “A HOLY BODY” God Prepared.
Which “God SENT INTO a Virgin Womb” of a human Jewish female betrothed to a human Jewish man OF the House OF king David.

Before the birth revealing (9 months waiting according to mans law of Nature)…of that HOLY Thing….

That same human betrothed female and male Agreed with God to co-habitat without engaging in a congeal physical relationship…

Per “their” Agreement with God AND “their” adherence to Jewish Religious Law…
They would not engage in a physical congeal relationship: For the nine months duration that HOLY Thing was in the females womb AND for 7 days following the Delivery of a BOY….and longer according to any following days, the female would be experiencing her monthly issue of Blood.

Gods Word out of Gods mouth.
Isa 55:11

That Holy Thing…
Sent to a Jewish females Virgin womb….
Luke 1:35

7 days after delivery of a boy…
Lev 15:19

7 days after female issue of blood…
Lev 15:28

God prepared body…
Heb 10:5

That body…found, seen, observed, touched…
By humans…
Phil 2:8

Humans, notable, kings, clerics, maids, saw Him….and touched Him …and fallen angels saw Him.
Matt 14:26
Matt 28:17
Mark 16:2
Mark 3:11
Mark 14:69
1 John 1:1
(More).

His spiritual body, His soul, His spirit were not to be, nor were they Sacrificed…
But rather the SIN LESS BODY of Flesh and Blood in the Likeness AS a man God Prepared For Sacrifice WAS Sacrificed for the offering TO mankind to freely Take and Eat and Drink.
Heb 10:5

Glory to God,
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It depends on what one means by "Trinity." The Bible teaches about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that these three are "one". But the Bible does not teach about a "godhead" consisting of three persons, all of one substance.
I find 2 verses for Godhead. The context the three of Them

  1. Romans 1:20
    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Colossians 2:9
    For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
 
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The Roles of the Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit​

The word Trinity cannot be found in the Bible, but the truth of it can. While there's only one God, the Godhead consists of three distinct persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All are equally omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, and unchanging, but each has unique functions.

 
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I’m trying to understand what this means?

all of one substance.

What do you mean all of one substance?

God isn’t a substance he’s a Spirit?
 

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I own, a plethora of Bibles.
I can and do read and study and discuss Scripture with my Lord God and according to His Understanding am I continually content.


I do not require your copying and pasting and sending to me Scriptures from multitudes of Bibles that interest you.
I am not in agreement with you.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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