THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

THE Trinity can Now be discussed.​

You now have permission to exercise your right to free speech. Use it while the door is open......because who knows when those wielding the big sword will close it!

My exact thoughts and Thank You for speaking out.

 

[Aunty Jane]

THE Trinity can Now be discussed.​

You now have permission to exercise your right to free speech. Use it while the door is open......because who knows when those wielding the big sword will close it!

As long as the discussion remains civil, without the personal finger pointing, there is no reason for the door to be closed again…..the number of pages and responses suggests that this is a worthy topic for airing beliefs and the scriptural reasons for them. There are readers here who are undecided….let them evaluate the evidence for themselves…for and against….God will do the rest.

 

[RedFan]

We are discussing what the first Christians believed….all were Jewish and monotheists. Judge for yourself if that has a bearing in this discussion.

I guarantee you, the first Greek-speaking Christians -- Jewish though they were -- had no qualms whatsoever about referring to Yahweh by theos or ho theos or any of a dozen other monikers. Using the definite article to distinguish the God of Israel from some lesser deity wasn't even on their radar -- and had nothing whatsoever to do with a ban on pronouncing the unpronounceable name of the Almighty.

 

[Aunty Jane]

BINGO

It is not about believing the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is a religion that seeks it's own righteousness by claiming to know the true name of God.
This is why they always refer to believing with the Jewish people under monotheism.

The jws are dead-locked.

But Christendom has the truth in a multitude of differing denominations, all teaching different things, yet all united on this one very important doctrine, as they are in satan’s other lies….immortality of the soul, and a hell of eternal torment. (1 John 5:19) All false worship believes these things…..Jewish monotheism never did. The God of Israel is the God of Jesus Christ, and the Hebrew scriptures is what he taught.

If “few” are going to be found on the road to life….where does that leave the majority? At the time of the “harvest”, the “wheat” and the “weeds” are already separated, so if we have made our stand, Jesus will see us as being either one or the other….the majority view is not always the right one, as the nation of Israel lost their place in the Kingdom because of sticking with the errors taught by their religious leaders. Christendom is merely history repeating.

Romans 10:1-4
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

For Christ is the end of the law/works/religion for righteousness to everyone who believes.

No one was more convinced of Christianity’s fraudulent teachings than Saul of Tarsus….even approving the murder of Stephen…..but an encounter with the resurrected Lord Jesus when on his way to persecute more Christians, turned him around completely. How many of us will be given such an opportunity?

Christianity is not a case of just “believing”….we have to back up our faith by works because either one on their own make us remiss as disciples of the Christ who was a tireless worker….as were the apostles.

As James so truthfully said….”Faith without works is dead”.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I guarantee you, the first Greek-speaking Christians -- Jewish though they were -- had no qualms whatsoever about referring to Yahweh by theos or ho theos or any of a dozen other monikers. Using the definite article to distinguish the God of Israel from some lesser deity wasn't even on their radar -- and had nothing whatsoever to do with a ban on pronouncing the unpronounceable name of the Almighty.

Using the definite article was the only way to distinguish the ONE God of Israel in a polytheistic society. The Romans were polytheists too….they also had multiple gods who all had names….Israel’s God by contrast was only addressed as “LORD” which was a mere title of respect given even by slaves to their masters.
The Bible mentions the Baal worshippers, and “Baal” translates to ”Lord” as well…so does the title ”Allah” to Muslims. Removing God’s name was the only reason why the trinity and a bunch of other false beliefs even surfaced…but Jesus foretold it…why should we be surprised? Why do we think that Jesus first request in the Lord’s Prayer was “hallowed be thy name”? How do we sanctify a name we do not know and do not use? There is only one Yahweh. Jesus is not Yahweh and neither is the nameless Holy Spirit.

Once the gentiles were admitted to the Christian faith, there had to be a way to distinguish the one God that Christ taught about. The definite article was the only way.

 

[RedFan]

Christianity is not a case of just “believing”….we have to back up our faith by works because either one on their own make us remiss as disciples of the Christ who was a tireless worker….as were the apostles.

As James so truthfully said….”Faith without works is dead”.

Good point, Aunty.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guarantee you, the first Greek-speaking Christians -- Jewish though they were -- had no qualms whatsoever about referring to Yahweh by theos or ho theos or any of a dozen other monikers. Using the definite article to distinguish the God of Israel from some lesser deity wasn't even on their radar -- and had nothing whatsoever to do with a ban on pronouncing the unpronounceable name of the Almighty.

Modern Christians like to refer to Yahweh as God. And incorrectly call the Trinity God…..actually Gods----Godhead. The Jews today write G-d.

Just God---IN GOD WE TRUST---Which God? The word God can be manipulated.

Old Testament Jews very rarely referred to Yahweh as God, because the Hebrew word for god and the Hebrew word for false god, is the same word. No capitals. That is why all or most of the words God and or Lord that we read were originally YHWH pronounced Yahweh----6,800 times.

 

[RedFan]

Once the gentiles were admitted to the Christian faith, there had to be a way to distinguish the one God that Christ taught about. The definite article was the only way.

Once the gentiles were admitted to the Christian faith, they became monotheists with no need to call the one God ho theos in order to distinguish him from other gods in which they no longer believed.

 

[St. SteVen]

This is not the same thing as Scripture explictly stating the trinity and stating this angel of the lord is no angel at all but a ruse to confuse the faithful.

The scripture EXPLICITLY states that the Angel of the Lord is God.

Exodus 3:1-4 NIV
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law,
the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness
and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!” And Moses said, “Here I am.”

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[Wrangler]

Note. There is a difference between AN angel of the Lord and THE Angel of the Lord.

Saw this and thought of you.

 

[St. SteVen]

Saw this and thought of you.

That's funny, thanks. - LOL

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[Scott Downey]

The scripture EXPLICITLY states that the Angel of the Lord is God.

Exodus 3:1-4 NIV
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law,
the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness
and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.
3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush,
“Moses! Moses!” And Moses said, “Here I am.”

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You will like this here about the Angel of the Lord, how the Angel identifies Himself as God, and many times too.

Who Is the Angel of the Lord? - OverviewBible

The angel of the Lord is an enigmatic figure who appears in numerous passages throughout the Old Testament. This angel is often believed to be the second member of the Trinity—Jesus Christ himself.

overviewbible.com

 

[David in NJ]

But Christendom has the truth in a multitude of differing denominations, all teaching different things, yet all united on this one very important doctrine, as they are in satan’s other lies….immortality of the soul, and a hell of eternal torment. (1 John 5:19) All false worship believes these things…..Jewish monotheism never did. The God of Israel is the God of Jesus Christ, and the Hebrew scriptures is what he taught.

If “few” are going to be found on the road to life….where does that leave the majority? At the time of the “harvest”, the “wheat” and the “weeds” are already separated, so if we have made our stand, Jesus will see us as being either one or the other….the majority view is not always the right one, as the nation of Israel lost their place in the Kingdom because of sticking with the errors taught by their religious leaders. Christendom is merely history repeating.

No one was more convinced of Christianity’s fraudulent teachings than Saul of Tarsus….even approving the murder of Stephen…..but an encounter with the resurrected Lord Jesus when on his way to persecute more Christians, turned him around completely. How many of us will be given such an opportunity?

Christianity is not a case of just “believing”….we have to back up our faith by works because either one on their own make us remiss as disciples of the Christ who was a tireless worker….as were the apostles.

As James so truthfully said….”Faith without works is dead”.

No one was more convinced of Christianity’s fraudulent teachings than Saul of Tarsus….even approving the murder of Stephen

Saul of Tarsus was a monotheist and as such he hated Christianity.
It was this monotheistic hate that was the impetus for his consenting to the death of the Christian Stephen.

 

[Grailhunter]

Once the gentiles were admitted to the Christian faith, they became monotheists with no need to call the one God ho theos in order to distinguish him from other gods in which they no longer believed.

Wrong.
A monotheist is a person who believes in the existence of one god, or that one god is the dominant deity. Monotheism is one of the two main religious belief systems in the world, with the other being polytheism, which is the belief in multiple gods.

The Jews in the Old Testament were monotheists.....believing only in Yahweh, one God.

The Christians in the New Testament worshiped three Gods by name. The God Yahweh, the God Yeshua, the God Holy Spirit. They could pray to each by name. Three Gods, that is called polytheism. Have Christians forgotten how to count!?

The Christians in the Bible never heard of Trinity. The term Trinity was coined around a century after the biblical era but was not defined as three in one. That does not happen until the Roman Catholic Church. The three in one concept is Pagan….the triple Goddess and such.

 

[RedFan]

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The Christians in the New Testament worshiped three Gods by name. The God Yahweh, the God Yeshua, the God Holy Spirit. They could pray to each by name. Three Gods, that is called polytheism. Have Christians forgotten how to count!?

It's nice when people express different views. I'm unconvinced by yours, you're unconvinced by mine, but we are being respectful. That's the main thing.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's nice when people express different views. I'm unconvinced by yours, you're unconvinced by mine, but we are being respectful. That's the main thing.

No harm, no foul.
That is what I like about this thread. Christians exchanging beliefs politely.

 

[David in NJ]

Wrong.
A monotheist is a person who believes in the existence of one god, or that one god is the dominant deity. Monotheism is one of the two main religious belief systems in the world, with the other being polytheism, which is the belief in multiple gods.

The Jews in the Old Testament were monotheists.....believing only in Yahweh, one God.

The Christians in the New Testament worshiped three Gods by name. The God Yahweh, the God Yeshua, the God Holy Spirit. They could pray to each by name. Three Gods, that is called polytheism. Have Christians forgotten how to count!?

The Christians in the Bible never heard of Trinity. The term Trinity was coined around a century after the biblical era but was not defined as three in one. That does not happen until the Roman Catholic Church. The three in one concept is Pagan….the triple Goddess and such.

The Jews from the Beginning KNEW that there is a Plurality in Elohim - they did not know exactly who or what constituted the Plurality.
They speculated and, like today, they claim the angels are part of the plurality of Elohim.
But they are wrong and they cannot know or SEE their Messiah because their hearts are not circumcised and they are blinded having th eveil of Moses covering their minds.

The Jews to whom the Lord revealed Himself to came to know the Truth such as the prophet Isaiah and others.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic.

Do you have a guardian angel? - testimonies

Open topic for testimonies about guardian angels. - Do you think you have a guardian angel? - Have they made themselves aware to you? - What did they do? [

www.christianityboard.com

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[ElieG12]

Who is 'Jehovah' to you???

Interestingly, Pharaoh asked Moses the same question:

Exo. 5:2 But Pharaoh said: “Who is Jehovah, that I should obey his voice to send Israel away? I do not know Jehovah at all, and what is more, I will not send Israel away.”

 

[Grailhunter]

The Jews from the Beginning KNEW that there is a Plurality in Elohim - they did not know exactly who or what constituted the Plurality.
They speculated and, like today, they claim the angels are part of the plurality of Elohim.
But they are wrong and they cannot know or SEE their Messiah because their hearts are not circumcised and they are blinded having th eveil of Moses covering their minds.

The Jews to whom the Lord revealed Himself to came to know the Truth such as the prophet Isaiah and others.

Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God in the Old Testament. If you look at the words God and or Lord in the scriptures before they took His name out of the Old Testament it would say YHWH.



In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you. Nehemiah 9:6

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35

Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20

I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isaiah 42:8 (Of course they removed His name.)

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Isaiah 43:10

I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Isaiah 45:21

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9

That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60

There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20

Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2nd Kings 19:15

But I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior. Hosea 13:4

For you are great and do wondrous things; you alone are God. Psalm 86:10