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@Aunty Jane and @Nancy and @Ritajanice

In the Light of the words of JESUS in His Gospel does anything 'jump out' at you on this passage???

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

Old Testament Examples​

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us [a]tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now [b]all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our [c]admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to [d]bear it.
 

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This is ASTONISHING!!!

Where did Webster's and McKenzie find such Truth???

LOL Because the Bible does not support the one God formula. Debating this topic, one can see the cherry picking that believers of the one God formula have to do to support their believes. In fact their cherry picking of scripture is a perfect example how any false belief can be woven together

Where as the 3 God formula is supported directly over a hundred scriptures and then by Christ as He interacts with His Father in the Gospels.
 

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Well, the reason is because trinitarians abuse language, pervert montheism to mean 3in1. Therefore, unitarianism strikes a more precise contrast with trinitarianism.
Good Morning Wrangler and a BIG THANK YOU for your posts as they are quite revealing to say the least.

i know you appreciate logic so i have a 'logic' question for you.

JESUS said: "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane believe that the FATHER did this "Work" when HE delivered the Israelites from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

GOSPEL
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
GOSPEL
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

QUESTION - Who did the Greater Work?

The FATHER delivering the Israelites from bondage under Pharoah/Egypt
or
the SON who delivers those bound by sin unto Eternal Forgiveness and Eternal Life?
 

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LOL Because the Bible does not support the one God formula. Debating this topic, one can see the cherry picking that believers of the one God formula have to do to support their believes. In fact their cherry picking of scripture is a perfect example how any false belief can be woven together

Where as the 3 God formula is supported directly over a hundred scriptures and then by Christ as He interacts with His Father in the Gospels.
SEE Post 963 and apply logic
 

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@Wrangler @Ritajanice @amigo de christo @Taken

i AGREE that the majority of Jewish leaders that were against JESUS were in fact 'unitarians'.

And this was the outcome of their religion according to the LORD - Matthew 23:31-36

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

After reading these words of the Lord Jesus Christ, i would never be comfortable being a 'unitarian' nor would i allow myself to be under such who teach it.


The Hebrews , few in number and Tribes of ISRAEL, few in number Were Chosen AND Agreed to BE The Teachers to the World OF Gods Word….

Over the course of generation after generation of the Tribesmen…individual offsprings….fell away from honoring their forefathers Agreement to Teach Gods Word and many clung to Ancient / Limited Hebrew Knowledge And openly accepted Gentile societal Ways of multiple gods, or societal Gentiles way of no consideration of need for ANY God.

Jesus came to seek THE LOST Tribesmen….
Offspring of their Ancient fathers who believed…and the LOST…having no allegiance to Gods Word.

Ya, oops…many Tribesmen rejected that task.

Blinding for the Tribesmen AND introduction of ONE man Tasked AND accepting of the Task To Teach….>>>
Tribesmen (All calling themselves Jews), Gentiles and kings…of >>> the increased Knowledge of God Sent forth out of Gods mouth TO Earth, Called the Testimony OF JESUS the CHRIST. >>>
And that One Man given and accepting of such astoundly HARD Task…was None other than SAUL the JEWISH PHARISEE and PAUL the ROMAN Citizen.

And SAUL/PAUL blessed with the Indwelling Spirit of God (CHRIST) works and efforts to fulfill “his” agreement… has been tremendously influential for the Good Benefit of millions Of humans world-wide for Centuries and Continues…. Despite the efforts of a larger number of Evil Spirits and Wicked men in Power seats and more common “blow joes” who Rail Against the Lord God Almighty.

Praise and Glory to God for His efforts and works To Set Free Forever THEY With Him.

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Old Testament Examples​

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Israel did not know God by that Name above all Names, Christ. But it was Him that was with them the whole time of their exodus.
Christ and God together as one.
 

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TRIPLE BINGO
GOD spoke to Moses through the burning bush
and said TELL THEM I AM SENT YOU .
Before abraham was I AM .
I HAVE MADE MANIFEST YOUR NAME .
IF ya have SEEN ME you have seen the FATHER so why are you saying SHOW US THE FATHER . many have no idea
what they are reaping unto themselves when they DENY THE DIETY of CHRIST
and when they also use the name of JESUS and yet preach a lie that say implies OH but there is no need for others
to have beleived on HIM . I see a mad house david .
YOU really want to know what i see . I SEE A LOT who made and who love A LIE . NOT TRUTH but a LIE .
and all who made and loved a lie , where do such end up . read revelation .
JESUS WILL NOT BE DENIED , GOD WILL NOT BE DENIED . and if man denies CHRIST , WELL THEY DENIED GOD .
 

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The prophets of old did not know Jesus as “the Christ” (or anointed one).....the long awaited “Messiah”....but the Scriptures told them he was coming...and Daniel’s prophesies told them when to expect him. It was foretold that he would suffer, but in his death mankind would be saved. By his resurrection, God proved his power over death, raising his son to life after 3 days in his tomb. 40 days later he returned to where he was “before the founding of the world”....at his Father’s side in heaven.

Did you know that there is not one single scripture that says the Holy Spirit is at God’s left hand? In fact most mention of Father and son together, leaves the Holy Spirit unacknowledged. Can you tell me why a supposedly equal person of the trinity is invariably missing?

The prophets of old knew Him as LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

That’s who Jesus Christ is.

Do you understand that YHWH the LORD God Almighty became flesh?


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
 

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The Commander of the Army of the Lord worshipped, the ground is holy.


“Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.

This is Christ in the OT. Christ also leads the armies of the Lord into battle at the Last Day.

But Israel did not know Him by that Name.

Joshua 5

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”

15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.

 

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Well, the reason is because trinitarians abuse language, pervert montheism to mean 3in1. Therefore, unitarianism strikes a more precise contrast with trinitarianism.
But we were referring to first century Jews.

David in NJ said:
i AGREE that the majority of Jewish leaders that were against JESUS were in fact 'unitarians'.

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The prophets of old knew Him as LORD; YHWH the LORD God.

That’s who Jesus Christ is.
What verse says this?

Trinitarians do not recognize the contradiction of their doctrine.
P1. God is a committee of 3.
P2. One member of this committee is ‘fully’ God.
C. 3 = 1
 

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Good Morning Wrangler and a BIG THANK YOU for your posts as they are quite revealing to say the least.

i know you appreciate logic so i have a 'logic' question for you.

JESUS said: "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

@Wrangler @Aunty Jane believe that the FATHER did this "Work" when HE delivered the Israelites from bondage to Pharoah/Egypt

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

GOSPEL
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
GOSPEL
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

QUESTION - Who did the Greater Work?

The FATHER delivering the Israelites from bondage under Pharoah/Egypt
or
the SON who delivers those bound by sin unto Eternal Forgiveness and Eternal Life?
I have FINISHED THE WORKS . My FATHER Has been working , I have been working .
MANIFESTATION was to come . what was hidden to be revealed , what torah , law and prophets
and even before the law came had been mentioned . Jacob himself , later surnamed ISRAEL
seen the connection between GOD and man in dream . A dream that would later be manifested
in GODS TIME . Moses heard the voice and heard the name . JESUS MANIFESTED THE NAME .
What did jacob dream . what did HE see in his dream .
I beheld this ladder from Heaven to earth and upon that ladder angels ascending and descending .
What DID JESUS tell nathianeil in whom he said was no guile . YE BELEIVE because i told you i seen you under the tree .
BEHOLD YOU SHALL SEE GREATER things than these , ye shall see the heavens opened
and the angels of GOD ascending and descending upon THE SON OF MAN . THERE IS A TON of gems in that bible
that POINT TO CHRIST . today many had rather point to intefaith and its god .
 

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@Aunty Jane and @Nancy and @Ritajanice

In the Light of the words of JESUS in His Gospel does anything 'jump out' at you on this passage???

Deuteronomy 5:6-7
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.
The Holy Spirit who does the will of the Father on earth, brought me Alive in my spirit, much more to it that that, Jesus did not birth my spirit, it’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that I can / have been grated into the vine of Jesus, it came through the power of the Father, not the Son, via His Living Holy Spirit, he is the one who keeps me walking in the spirit, as I’m Born Again, Born Of God ..His seed the Holy Spirit resides in my spirit, making me into Jesus image..Jesus isn’t doing that, he is sat at the right hand of the Father in heaven.

That’s my testimony and belief, if I’m in error the Holy Spirit will correct me..he may correct me through another on here, he may not..I wait on him.
 

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The Holy Spirit who does the will of the Father on earth, brought me Alive in my spirit, much more to it that that, Jesus did not birth my spirit, it’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that I can / have been grated into the vine of Jesus, it came through the power of the Father, not the Son, via His Living Holy Spirit, he is the one who keeps me walking in the spirit, as I’m Born Again, Born Of God ..His seed the Holy Spirit resides in my spirit, making me into Jesus image..Jesus isn’t doing that, he is sat at the right hand of the Father in heaven.

That’s my testimony and belief, if I’m in error the Holy Spirit will correct me..
Good Morning Ritajanice

Please review Post 963 and the Question that is presented for your blessing.

SHALOM
 
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@Wrangler @Ritajanice @amigo de christo @Taken

i AGREE that the majority of Jewish leaders that were against JESUS were in fact 'unitarians'.

And this was the outcome of their religion according to the LORD - Matthew 23:31-36

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Are you referring here to us?..water off a ducks back if you are.
Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

After reading these words of the Lord Jesus Christ, i would never be comfortable being a 'unitarian' nor would i allow myself to be under such who teach it.
RJ says...,I haven’t got a clue what you are preaching here David..sounds like religion,.

What’s a Unitarian ?
 

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I agree with 3 = 1. :gd
The war for the souls of humanity rages onward and is peaking in this last hour .
As Christ once shed HIS BLOOD to reconcile us back to GOD , whose faith be IN HIS CHRIST ,
the church has bled for him before and throughout the ages .
The blood of the saints shed will hit a full in this generation .
The god who has always desired to be as GOD has brought the glue by which all which are of anti christ
shall merge as one and when the cup of that delusion has hit the full they will heed the voice
of kings and of a king who will persuade the united soliders of the lie
to rid the earth of all who did not conform to what IT said was love and GOD . but was neither love OR GOD .
Fear not man , fear not to bleed and suffer . KNOWN also the COMING OF THE KING JESUS
does draw nigh . NOW on that DAY all who rejected CHRIST JESUS and bought a lie , WILL FACE
the WRATH OF GOD ALL MIGHTY and of the LAMB .
But seeing we dont desire the death of any , NOR DOES GOD , we must get busy
pointing any and all TO CHRIST JESUS with a stern reminder to all YE MUST BELEIVE , HEEd NOT INTERFAITH for it leads to the LIE .
 
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