THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Verily]

Well, the mods here are extremely long suffering/ patient and I don’t think they get enough credit from us , they have an understanding of where every one is coming from...I’ve had a few warnings from them , quite honestly those warnings woke me up, it was like God was telling me off through them ,if that makes sense...I’ve been able to grow here to be honest.i know God has placed me on this forum..it’s my home..I pray that the Lord keeps me here.

This board's owner is the same as CF's so why would there be different weights and measures used on this board as opposed to that board.

 

[Wrangler]

I’d like to hear from those who don’t believe that Father/ Son / Holy Spirit .are 3 in one.

Please support your belief using scripture?

I do believe that the word Trinity is not biblical, am I right ?

It's not merely the word. To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

I wrote a 7-page piece chock full of not only Scripture but analysis of the topic, in addition to the ABC and 123's on this. To start off slow, please answer these 2 questions.

1. How do you reconcile the trinity, in general, and the claim that Jesus is God, in particular, with Jesus’ own explicit statements that he has a God (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12), and Jesus’ God is the only true God (John 17:3)?

2. What is Biblically more important:
A. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NLT) All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He (singular) is the eternal King, the unseen one (singular) who never dies; he (singular) alone (singular) is God. Amen. (emphasis added)
B. Divide glory, even among God’s servants (explicitly stated to include Jesus @ Acts 3:13)?

 

[Ritajanice]

This board's owner is the same as CF's so why would there be different weights and measures used on this board as opposed to that board.

Different mods ...better mods.probably more humble...
The two I know on this board are that’s for sure...
CFs what does that stand for?

 

[Rita]

Perhaps not wise to discuss or speculate on decisions by the mods from either forum- we are independent despite having the same owners.
Please Keep on topic xxxxx

 

[Wrangler]

OT proof of a triune God.

I'm sorry but nothing you quote even references the concept of a triune God, let alone proves it. See the trinity verse I wrote below in red.

I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.

And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”

To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

 

[Ritajanice]

I’d just like to express, that if I give a thumbs up to a post, doesn’t mean I agree with it, just thanking them for their contribution...thank you..back to topic..x

 

[Verily]

Different mods ...better mods.

I gotcha, thanks. So the owner of board that bears the name of Christ-ian is not really aware of the crap a couple of his chosen administrators do under his stewardship.

It will be different here, I am sure.

 

[Ritajanice]

I gotcha, thanks. So the owner of board that bears the name of Christ-ian is not really aware of the crap a couple of his chosen administrators do under his stewardship.

It will be different here, I am sure.

Best stay on topic now, Sis, let’s respect the mods,x

 

[Wrangler]

I’d just like to express, that if I give a thumbs up to a post, doesn’t mean I agree with it, just thanking them for their contribution

I often do the same. Sometimes a post is well crafted even though I might not agree with it. CyB is fortunate to not have too many "if you don't agree with me, you are going to hell" type posts. Lots of high quality posts here. Some are very high quality.

 

[Ritajanice]

I often do the same. Sometimes a post is well crafted even though I might not agree with it. CyB is fortunate to not have too many "if you don't agree with me, you are going to hell" type posts. Lots of high quality posts here. Some are very high quality.

I have enjoyed reading your posts,Brother.

 

[Verily]

Different mods ...better mods.probably more humble...
The two I know on this board are that’s for sure...
CFs what does that stand for?

CF stands for "Christian Forums"
Its now owned by the same person who owns this place
I was there from the previous ownership onward.

 

[David in NJ]

My question would be the wording of men regarding the "substance" thing. What is one substance? Jesus is the word made flesh and the scream at you, 100% man and 100% God but isnt that 2 substances there?

Also, where is the equality when the Father is greater, and you can blaspheme the Son of God and it can be forgiven but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Ghost has never forgiveness. That is not really equal punishment for equal crimes among all equals.

Few are able to SEE the uniqueness of "the Word that was God became flesh and dwelt among us"

Only by understanding who the Word was BEFORE He came to earth, can we then begin to understand the words of JESUS.

 

[David in NJ]

It's not merely the word. To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

I wrote a 7-page piece chock full of not only Scripture but analysis of the topic, in addition to the ABC and 123's on this. To start off slow, please answer these 2 questions.

1. How do you reconcile the trinity, in general, and the claim that Jesus is God, in particular, with Jesus’ own explicit statements that he has a God (John 20:17, Revelation 3:12), and Jesus’ God is the only true God (John 17:3)?

2. What is Biblically more important:
A. 1 Timothy 1:17 (NLT) All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He (singular) is the eternal King, the unseen one (singular) who never dies; he (singular) alone (singular) is God. Amen. (emphasis added)
B. Divide glory, even among God’s servants (explicitly stated to include Jesus @ Acts 3:13)?

Many people cannot see spiritual Truth, especially when their religion tells them not to believe the Truth.

The Foundation of the Truth that declares God being Plural begins in Genesis with the word Elohim that denotes God.
Elohim is always Plural and literally means gods.

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God


The Foundation that God/Elohim(Plural) is THREE also begins in Genesis = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"

The irrefutable proof that Elohim is THREE is in the OT Prophets, Gospel, the Apostles writings and Revelation.

We are given a clear picture of the THREE in the Gospel = Matthew 3:16-17

Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him.
And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”

But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.

When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
And suddenly a voice came from Heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

THREE Individuals = JESUS, Spirit of God(Holy Spirt), the FATHER's Voice from Heaven



All Truth comes from the Father, the Word/Jesus and the Holy Spirit = 3

 

[Verily]

Few are able to SEE the uniqueness of "the Word that was God became flesh and dwelt among us"

Only by understanding who the Word was BEFORE He came to earth, can we then begin to understand the words of JESUS.

I dont know how to takes this as a response to my post though. Although, I can no longer give examples of the worst offenders from my own personal experience. I hope I am not to interpret those as being somehow the chosen few among us, "the gatekeepers of the mystery" who hold the charge of casting out the supposedly less enlightened ones. Afterall so few "get it".

They began here

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

And grew

And look where these started in Acts, baptized but said

" We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost."

I have to remove myself from this topic, the treatment of others on the basis of it in various ways just makes my skin crawl.

I dont even use the word trinity but I fully acknowledge (without needing to hide them under a concept) as the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost so its not my issue anyway.

Just nod and move on.

 

[David in NJ]

I dont know how to takes this as a response to my post though. Although, I can no longer give examples of the worst offenders from my own personal experience. I hope I am not to interpret those as being somehow the chosen few among us, "the gatekeepers of the mystery" who hold the charge of casting out the supposedly less enlightened ones. Afterall so few "get it".

They began here

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

And grew

And look where these started in Acts, baptized but said

" We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost."

I have to remove myself from this topic, the treatment of others on the basis of it in various ways just makes my skin crawl.

I dont even use the word trinity but I fully acknowledge (without needing to hide them under a concept) as the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost so its not my issue anyway.

Just nod and move on.

I dont know how to takes this as a response to my post though

Take it the way JESUS meant it to be taken = few are able to understand because we only understand by the Grace of God being given.

Matthew 13:11 - He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it has not been given.

the treatment of others on the basis of it in various ways just makes my skin crawl.

What "treatment" are you referring to? All the posts on this thread are polite and respectful.

Maybe you are referring to past conflicts on previous threads???

 

[face2face]

@Johann

There is not doubt a change took place in those early years after the Apostles passed away.

The growth of the doctrine of a triune God, is briefly but plainly, set forth in the following facts:

A.D. 29 Jesus said, "The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12:29).

A.D. 30 Peter confesses to Jesus: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus blesses Peter's confession, and declares it to be the "rock" upon which his church would be built.

A.D. 57 Paul said, "To us there is but one God" (1 Cor. 8:6).

A.D. 96 Clement said, "Christ was sent by God".

A.D. 120 Apostles' Creed: "I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord."

A.D. 150 Justin Martyr, introduces Greek Philosophy.

A.D. 170 The word "Trias", appears first in Christian literature.

A.D. 200. "Trinitas" is first introduced by Tertullian.

A.D. 280 Origen, opposes prayers to Christ.

A.D. 260 Sabellius: "Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three names for the same God".


I've always found it strange how Christians are reticent to own this change from the orginal Gospel of God to the man-made one whichis now in their possession. The historical record is so clear and precise regarding these changes that a person must either be willingly deluded to not see it, or so deeply entrenched in their inherited faith and doctrine that they are powerless to break free from it.

Blue = Truth
Red = Error

I have no doubt that God would know the first occurrence of this change in the Gospel, but the spirit of it began during the time of the Apostles and, later, took hold in the minds of weak-minded men.

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Take it the way JESUS meant it to be taken = few are able to understand because we only understand by the Grace of God being given.

Matthew 13:11 - He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it has not been given.

Interesting.

 

[David in NJ]

Interesting.

And there are more interesting "Givings" from the FATHER

Ephesians 4:11
"And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,"

 

[Johann]

@Johann

There is not doubt a change took place in those early years after the Apostles passed away.

The growth of the doctrine of a triune God, is briefly but plainly, set forth in the following facts:

A.D. 29 Jesus said, "The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12:29).

A.D. 30 Peter confesses to Jesus: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus blesses Peter's confession, and declares it to be the "rock" upon which his church would be built.

A.D. 57 Paul said, "To us there is but one God" (1 Cor. 8:6).

A.D. 96 Clement said, "Christ was sent by God".

A.D. 120 Apostles' Creed: "I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord."

A.D. 150 Justin Martyr, introduces Greek Philosophy.

A.D. 170 The word "Trias", appears first in Christian literature.

A.D. 200. "Trinitas" is first introduced by Tertullian.

A.D. 280 Origen, opposes prayers to Christ.

A.D. 260 Sabellius: "Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three names for the same God".


I've always found it strange how Christians are reticent to own this change from the orginal Gospel of God to the man-made one whichis now in their possession. The historical record is so clear and precise regarding these changes that a person must either be willingly deluded to not see it, or so deeply entrenched in their inherited faith and doctrine that they are powerless to break free from it.

Blue = Truth
Red = Error

I have no doubt that God would know the first occurrence of this change in the Gospel, but the spirit of it began during the time of the Apostles and, later, took hold in the minds of weak-minded men.

F2F

I have no problem with being called a weak minded man-I know what stands written.

J.

 

[face2face]

I have no problem with being called a weak minded man-I know what stands written.

J.

So you can see the change and are happy to adopt those changes in your faith?