THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[amigo de christo]

I am assuming that you are referring to the One God Formula.
The pre-existing Christ and that Christ created all things.

I disagree.

I can give you a bunch of Old Testament scriptures where Yahweh makes it absolutely clear He is the only God and there is no other.

In the New Testament there are three Gods and there are scriptures that indicate Christ is either the Creator God or involved with it.
I have nothing against Christ being active in the Old Testament if there were scriptures that clearly stated that fact.

I notice people referencing Old Testament scriptures and say they are proof of Christ's pre-existance but It is more like dreamazoid and with that type of interpretation you could make the scriptures mean anything….who knows what the rest of their religion is like.

So Yahweh indicates that He created all things.
And Apostles say that Christ created all things.

Since the Old Testament scriptures give no clear indication that Yeshua was present or active in the Old Testament I go with Yahweh is the creator God and what is said in the New Testament leaves part of the story out or there is more to the story.

Like the verses that say you have to hate your mother and father to be a disciple of Christ….there has to be more to the story.

what on GODS holy and green earth is this ONE GOD FORMULA stuff . QUIT HEEDING MEN
start reading bible . I have no idea all these terms and idelogies and dispensations and this age and that age
and this word and that word that most say .
ALL I KNOW IS every time they try and bring an ism or etc , I SEE THEY DOING ONE THING
ready , MAKING EXCUSE FOR WHY THEY TWIST AND OMIT SOMETHING GOD , CHRIST , or the apotles said .
AND I DONT HEED A WORD ONE outta they mouth . Just call me little child , but if
all that learned wise sounding crap that most lip led them far FROM GOD , COUNT THIS GRINGO OUT
i want nothing to do with it .
I wil die first .
but dont you sorrow for me friend . NOW if anyone just wants to read the bible together
and just enjoy it . THIS BE YOUR LAMB . otherewise keep every greek word and hermes this , and dispen that
TO YASELF . I WONT HEED A WORD . i mean not even a word outta them lips . I am
wore out with watching wise sounding num nuts twist the scrips unto they own destruction .
THEY dont sound wise to me . THEY sound like a bunch of school kids
that trying to just pull over a smart sounding LIE as to why they do as they do . NOT A WORD . NOT A WORD will i heed from such .

 

[Wrangler]

The Holy Spirit does -

Joh 16:13 - When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Joh 16:14 - He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Joh 16:15 - All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Nothing that you copied and pasted suggests the HS worships Jesus.

 

[Grailhunter]

aint no formulas of men for me . i had not even heard many a word of todays church vocabulary .
I was like disepensation what and etc .
ME LEARNED BIBLE . not from a church one or a man one .
And how i have just loved to read it daily for now over eighteen years . I SUGGEST TO ALL and to all I DO SUGGEST
that we start fresh in that bible for ourselves . but you aint gonna do that are you , no matter
how often i have told people to put down denominational teachings of men
and just PICK back up the bible and READ IT FOR THEM , They never do . they stay clung to men
Now its true a few do this . AND BOY HOWDY what wonderful lovely true pure and holy fellowship that IS .
BIBLE , TIME . lets start saying this over and over again TILL IT FINALLY SINKS IN that MEN BEEN DUPED US BIG TIME
and now in that last hour MEN DUPING us to merge again as one under what they say is love and say is of GOD .
Many aint gonna make it grailhunter . BUT LET IT NOT BE SAID by ANY , OL AMIGO DIDNT TRY AND HELP
BIBLE , TIME . make the TIME . love the TIME , embrace them lovely words again . OH embrace them lovely words
and reminders again . cause many WONT BE Making it . Trusting in men has destroyed them .

I read and study the scriptures at the language level.
Formally educated theologian.

 

[Grailhunter]

what on GODS holy and green earth is this ONE GOD FORMULA stuff .

Three in one.
Three Gods in one.
Refering to the Trinity as God.
The Trinity is a Godhead.

 

[CadyandZoe]

John 1:1-14: The Logos (Word) is fully divine and was with God in the beginning, distinct yet united in essence with the Father. The Logos became flesh (incarnation), not a mere plan, but a person.

Your idea is not derived from the text but superimposed over the text, forcing John to support the Trinitarian doctrine.

John 10:30: Jesus affirms His unity with the Father. “I and the Father are one.” This cannot be understood as a mere plan of salvation but a relational truth about the person of Jesus.

I agree that John affirms his unity with the Father, but the unity is representational, not ontological as Trinitarians suppose.

Colossians 2:9: “For in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.” This passage asserts that the fullness of God’s nature resides in Jesus, underlining that He is divine, not an impersonal plan or concept.

Here Paul teaches us that the qualities and attributes of God are located in Jesus, but he excepts the eternal qualities of deity in that he says they are located "bodily." In other words, Jesus is NOT omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, simple, eternal, self-existing, infinite or immutable. Jesus is the image of God, which means he is not the second person of a Godhead.

Matthew 1:23: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). The incarnation is about God Himself coming to dwell with humanity, not just a plan or abstract idea of redemption.

The term "Immanuel" doesn't refer to the Son's location, i.e. Jesus lived among his people. The term "Immanuel" indicates, as it did in the original passage, God continues to work on behalf of the Jewish people.

3. Historical Theological Argument: The Nature of Christ in Early Christian Thought

Early Christian thought is almost useless as it had been corrupted almost immediately.

The early Church affirmed that Jesus is consubstantial (of the same essence) with the Father, eternally begotten, not created, and distinct in personhood.

This is the reason why the ECF's should not be trusted. The idea that Jesus is consubstantial with the Father was a syncretism that was forced on Christians by those who lacked the courage to stand up to Constantine.

The Incarnation: The act of God becoming human in the person of Jesus Christ is central to Christian salvation.

Not according to the Bible. And be careful. The idea that the Savior had to be ontologically "God" was a heresy known by both Paul and John. In fact, John claims that the Trinity heresy is the essential teaching of the antichrist.

Council of Chalcedon (451 A.D.): This council established the two natures of Christ—fully God and fully man.

The idea that something can be 100% "A" and 100% "Not A" is meaningless.

Jesus' Role in Redemption: Jesus’ role in salvation cannot be separated from His personhood. His death and resurrection were not merely the fulfillment of a plan but the actual act of the divine Son of God offering Himself for the redemption of humanity.

This is not true. Jesus the man died on the cross. Sharing essence with the Father is NOT a requirement.

So you prove my point, which is the biblical one.

J.

You have adopted the Orthodox view, but not the Biblical View.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, a sinless man would meet the requirements of God's law and justice as established in Genesis 3. The promise of a "seed" who would crush the serpent's head (Genesis 3:15) implies a human deliverer, but one unstained by sin to reverse the curse brought about by Adam.

The dilemma is this:
How can such a man exist, given that all humanity is born into sin through Adam (Romans 5:12-19)? Every descendant of Adam inherits a sinful nature, making it impossible for anyone to be sinless under their own power. This raises a critical question:

How can a sinless man be born without inheriting Adam's guilt and corruption, yet still be fully human to represent humanity?
This dilemma is resolved only in the incarnation of Jesus Christ. By being conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary (Luke 1:35), Jesus is fully human yet free from inherited sin. As the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), He fulfills the requirements of the law and offers Himself as the perfect sacrifice to redeem humanity.

J.

Yep . The first adam and all of adam have failed .
To save and reconcile man to GOD . THE CREATOR HIMSELF would DO .
The WORD simply became of flesh , made in the likeness of our own flesh
TO DO what no man could do . to not only totally fullfill all things of GOD
to live a perfect life , but to pay the price too . And more . oh much more
to also put within the hearts of all who beleive the ability to walk pleasing unto GOD through faith , faith not in us
, faith not in man , FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS , THUS FAITH IN GOD .
This next bit might sound odd to some , maybe even blasphemous to others .
WE AINT the big kahuna . We aint sqaut but SAVED and changed by the UTILMATE MERCY and GRACE OF GOD
given us IN JESUS the CHRIST . We cannot boast in us , But we sure can BOAST IN THE LORD .
if that offends folks , i dont care . HUMANITY is not the big kahuna . HUMANITY IS THE FALLEN
in DIRE NEED OF THE SAVOIR and the only GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESS I HAVE , CAME of GOD IN CHRIST JESUS .
So take a good long look in our mirrors tonight .
And when we all see that face looking back at us , say THIS . OH THANK GOD , THANK GOD
HE DID what was necessary for me , that HE even gives me the desires to do good and ability to walk righteously .
As we keep looking in the mirror
let us continue to say , we are no better than any man . same evil in them was in us and still resides in our flesh
and were it Not FOR GOD , HIS SPIRIT , our desires would still be evil and to do evil .
IN OTHER WORDS , TIME FOR ALL To really START THANKING GOD for WHAT HE DID . FOR what HE DID
and for what HE DOES . AND ITS HIGH TIME to remind all , THEM religions is false , ya cant lovey do ya way to GOD
YE MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , the HOLY GHOST ALONE SHEDS THE PURE AGAPE LOVE
of GOD upon the heart of the believer . AINT ONE BIT OF HOPE outside of GOD outside of CHRIST
and if one believes not the testimony that GOD gave of THE SON , they do call GOD a fat liar .
AND THE LOVE of GOD IS NOT IN THEM .
for the love of GOD LOVETH GOD above all , and one cannot love GOD if they love NOT HE WHOM THE FATHER SENT .

 

[David in NJ]

Your idea is not derived from the text but superimposed over the text, forcing John to support the Trinitarian doctrine.

I agree that John affirms his unity with the Father, but the unity is representational, not ontological as Trinitarians suppose.

Here Paul teaches us that the qualities and attributes of God are located in Jesus, but he excepts the eternal qualities of deity in that he says they are located "bodily." In other words, Jesus is NOT omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, simple, eternal, self-existing, infinite or immutable. Jesus is the image of God, which means he is not the second person of a Godhead.


The term "Immanuel" doesn't refer to the Son's location, i.e. Jesus lived among his people. The term "Immanuel" indicates, as it did in the original passage, God continues to work on behalf of the Jewish people.

Early Christian thought is almost useless as it had been corrupted almost immediately.

This is the reason why the ECF's should not be trusted. The idea that Jesus is consubstantial with the Father was a syncretism that was forced on Christians by those who lacked the courage to stand up to Constantine.

Not according to the Bible. And be careful. The idea that the Savior had to be ontologically "God" was a heresy known by both Paul and John. In fact, John claims that the Trinity heresy is the essential teaching of the antichrist.

The idea that something can be 100% "A" and 100% "Not A" is meaningless.


This is not true. Jesus the man died on the cross. Sharing essence with the Father is NOT a requirement.

You have adopted the Orthodox view, but not the Biblical View.

Not according to the Bible. And be careful. The idea that the Savior had to be ontologically "God" was a heresy known by both Paul and John. In fact, John claims that the Trinity heresy is the essential teaching of the antichrist.

Give it your BEST shot at proving your claim.

Bring forth the words of the Apostles

 

[amigo de christo]

Three in one.
Three Gods in one.
Refering to the Trinity as God.
The Trinity is a Godhead.

Three GODS . there be only ONE GOD . Folks just dont seem to be able to grasp
GOD IS HIS SPIRIT , HE IS HIS WORD . That it is HIS OWN ESSENCE .
I can see clearly NOW , why JESUS could say the FATHER IS GREATER THAN I
and YET STILL BE GOD . The WORD does what is spoken by the FATHER .
WHEN GOD said let there be light . THERE WAS LIGHT , it was HIS WORD creating the light
HIS WORD BE JESUS THE CHRIST . though that WORD did not become flesh till many years later .
THE WORD had too . HOW ELSE was man gonna be saved . But
WHEN GOD says LET There be light , it was light created , NOTHING else
THEN he says lET there be . You see JESUS is that essence coming forth , HE IS THAT WORD .
probably dont make a lick of sense to you .
But no worries , we dont have to understand , it just strenghted my faith when finally the understanding came .
OH but i was saved day ONE . i know many do not understand .
I mean WHO REALLY grasps this IN FULL .
BUT what i do know is this . IF a man denies the diety of CHRIST
LOOK OUT . they have to twist scrips to actually DENY HIM .
We might not understand HOW the JESUS was GOD and yet HE said the FATHER is greater than i ,
BUT when it said GOD IS HIS WORD , I BELIEVED THAT . I BELEIVED what i read
and did not try and twist anything . Folks who deny the diety of CHRIST are in deadly danger friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Give it your BEST shot at proving your claim.

Bring forth the words of the Apostles

You should have said WITHOUT TWISTING Things .
SO i give all this real simple challenge .
SHOW ME at any time and anywhere in that bible
where an angel , a man , ever said I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , the FIRST and the last .
GOD alone said that . GOD ALONE , because HE IS THE ALPHA and omega , the first and the last .
THAT SAME GOD said , BESIDES ME THERE IS NO OTHER GOD , I GIVE MY GLORY TO NONE .
NO ANGEL had that glory now did it .
NO man ever even dared to say it n that bible .
BUT and boy is this a big big but , JESUS DID SAY IT . Just saying .

 

[David in NJ]

Three GODS . there be only ONE GOD . Folks just dont seem to be able to grasp
GOD IS HIS SPIRIT , HE IS HIS WORD . That it is HIS OWN ESSENCE .
I can see clearly NOW , why JESUS could say the FATHER IS GREATER THAN I
and YET STILL BE GOD . The WORD does what is spoken by the FATHER .
WHEN GOD said let there be light . THERE WAS LIGHT , it was HIS WORD creating the light
HIS WORD BE JESUS THE CHRIST . though that WORD did not become flesh till many years later .
THE WORD had too . HOW ELSE was man gonna be saved . But
WHEN GOD says LET There be light , it was light created , NOTHING else
THEN he says lET there be . You see JESUS is that essence coming forth , HE IS THAT WORD .
probably dont make a lick of sense to you .
But no worries , we dont have to understand , it just strenghted my faith when finally the understanding came .
OH but i was saved day ONE . i know many do not understand .
I mean WHO REALLY grasps this IN FULL .
BUT what i do know is this . IF a man denies the diety of CHRIST
LOOK OUT . they have to twist scrips to actually DENY HIM .
We might not understand HOW the JESUS was GOD and yet HE said the FATHER is greater than i ,
BUT when it said GOD IS HIS WORD , I BELIEVED THAT . I BELEIVED what i read
and did not try and twist anything . Folks who deny the diety of CHRIST are in deadly danger friend .

Brother,
Try and understand @Grailhunter's point on three Gods - this is correct according to Scripture where Elohim is Plural

The TRUTH that you and i know is that the THREE - FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT are Individuals and yet THEY are ONE

THREE Elohe(plural) that are ECHAD Elohim

Our human intellect cannot fully understand this.

Therefore the SUPREME Elohim communicated this TRUTH to us in Genesis with the Allegorical lives of THREE:
Abraham/Isaac/Jacob

And Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
”Moreover Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers,
Elohe(Plural) Abraham
Elohe(Plural) Isaac,
Elohe(Plural) Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother,
Try and understand @Grailhunter's point on three Gods - this is correct according to Scripture where Elohim is Plural

The TRUTH that you an di know is that the THREE - FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT are Individuals and yet THEY are ONE

THREE Elohim that are ECHAD

Our human inteelect cannot fully understand this.

Therefore the SUPREME Elohim communicated this TRUTH to us in Genesis with the Allegorical lives of THREE:
Abraham/Isaac/Jacob

And Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
”Moreover Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers,
Elohe(Plural) Abraham
Elohe(Plural) Isaac,
Elohe(Plural) Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

WE saying the same thing friend . Funny huh .
I already do understand that . the understanding that came to me months after having read the bible
and i found another had said the same thing .
He desribed the GOD head exactly the way GOD had to me . I never read that mans explanation
till years later . Now before i say his name
i am not saying EVERYTHING HE taught was true . cause i dont know what all he taught .
BUT HE SURE did have a good understanding of the GOD HEAD . i think his name was oriegin . something like that .
But remember , just because folks might know something true dont mean they dont also follow something false .
SO i am in no way vouching for the man . BUT his definition was Exactly the way i had understood it .
He spoke of the essence of GOD . and explained the three in one very well .

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother,
Try and understand @Grailhunter's point on three Gods - this is correct according to Scripture where Elohim is Plural

The TRUTH that you and i know is that the THREE - FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT are Individuals and yet THEY are ONE

THREE Elohe(plural) that are ECHAD Elohim

Our human intellect cannot fully understand this.

Therefore the SUPREME Elohim communicated this TRUTH to us in Genesis with the Allegorical lives of THREE:
Abraham/Isaac/Jacob

And Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
”Moreover Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers,
Elohe(Plural) Abraham
Elohe(Plural) Isaac,
Elohe(Plural) Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

GOD is SPIRIT . HE IS HIS OWN SPIRIT . And HE is His word . His word Is His spirit .
Now if the last part seems odd then remember what JESUS said .
WHEN he was talking about the COMFORTER . HE said He is with YOU and shall be IN YOU
and that HE would not leave them comfortless , HE WOULD COME TO THEM . AND HE SAID ME AND MY FATHER .
ITS THE SAME SPIRIT david . i dont think folks grasp that . some act as though there is two spirits
ONE OF GOD , ONE OF CHRIST . no sir . ITS THE SAME SPIRIT . as i am sure you agree friend .
Ever wonder why JESUS said NO MAN , not even the SON knows the HOUR or the DAY , not even the angels .
CAUSE THE FATHER AINT SPOKE IT YET . THE WORD does only what was said . IT IS The very essence of GOD
and can do no more or no less than what GOD says . GOD is HIS WORD . for HIS word is his own spirit
his own essence coming forth of HIM . I Know folks sure wont understand that .
YES there are three , yet the three are one .

 

[David in NJ]

WE saying the same thing friend . Funny huh .
I already do understand that . the understanding that came to me months after having read the bible
and i found another had said the same thing .
He desribed the GOD head exactly the way GOD had to me . I never read that mans explanation
till years later . Now before i say his name
i am not saying EVERYTHING HE taught was true . cause i dont know what all he taught .
BUT HE SURE did have a good understanding of the GOD HEAD . i think his name was oriegin . something like that .
But remember , just because folks might know something true dont mean they dont also follow something false .
SO i am in no way vouching for the man . BUT his definition was Exactly the way i had understood it .
He spoke of the essence of GOD . and explained the three in one very well .

We have been taught the same way - on our knees before the LORD with the Holy Scriptures Open
praying to JESUS to grant His Holy Spirit and understanding = believing every word

 

[David in NJ]

GOD is SPIRIT . HE IS HIS OWN SPIRIT . And HE is His word . His word Is His spirit .
Now if the last part seems odd then remember what JESUS said .
WHEN he was talking about the COMFORTER . HE said He is with YOU and shall be IN YOU
and that HE would not leave them comfortless , HE WOULD COME TO THEM . AND HE SAID ME AND MY FATHER .
ITS THE SAME SPIRIT david . i dont think folks grasp that . some act as though there is two spirits
ONE OF GOD , ONE OF CHRIST . no sir . ITS THE SAME SPIRIT . as i am sure you agree friend .
Ever wonder why JESUS said NO MAN , not even the SON knows the HOUR or the DAY , not even the angels .
CAUSE THE FATHER AINT SPOKE IT YET . THE WORD does only what was said . IT IS The very essence of GOD
and can do no more or no less than what GOD says . GOD is HIS WORD . for HIS word is his own spirit
his own essence coming forth of HIM . I Know folks sure wont understand that .
YES there are three , yet the three are one .

BINGO

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Brother,
Try and understand @Grailhunter's point on three Gods - this is correct according to Scripture where Elohim is Plural

The TRUTH that you and i know is that the THREE - FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT are Individuals and yet THEY are ONE

THREE Elohe(plural) that are ECHAD Elohim

Our human intellect cannot fully understand this.

Therefore the SUPREME Elohim communicated this TRUTH to us in Genesis with the Allegorical lives of THREE:
Abraham/Isaac/Jacob

And Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’
”Moreover Elohim(Plural) said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The YHWH Elohim(Plural) of your fathers,
Elohe(Plural) Abraham
Elohe(Plural) Isaac,
Elohe(Plural) Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

I dont think folks understand that IF GOD wanted too
He could appear as a thousand men and yet still BE IN HEAVEN . THE POWER OF GOD IS UNDENIABLE .
they faint at the thought that somehow GOD can be in two places at once.
ONLY THE CREATOR HIMSELF could save the created . GOD already created man . AND BOY WE SEE HOW THAT
man and woman failed . JUST LIKE WE ALL DID i might add . BUT JESUS , HIMS NO FAILED .
GOD ALREADY KNEW what HE was gonna do . and in genesis and many pages of torah IT POINTES
to the PLAN and NAME OF GOD who was to come to DO exactly WHAT HAD TO BE DONE .
David . If a man were to go throughout the whole of torah
and tell us the scrips that pointed to CHRIST . well lets just say NO wonder paul could talk all day
and show them all day inthe scrips THINGS PONTING TO CHRIST . ITS A MINE FIELD of lovely scrips
POINTING TO CHRIST . MANY THERE BE my friend . MANY .

 

[amigo de christo]

BINGO

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

exactly . case in point . if indeed the SPIRIT OF GOD dwells in you . Now if anyone has not the SPIRIT of CHRIST ..........
its the same SPIRIT . ME and MY FATHER SHALL MAKE OUR ABODE UPON THAT MAN .

 

[amigo de christo]

BINGO

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

 

[amadeus]

What’s a spirit of man?

‘Tis a lie come from their own spirit...,?

"The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly" Prov. 20:27

 

[amigo de christo]

BINGO

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

We already both know well the WHY them anti christs did all they could to remove the diety of Christ
so they can create another image of him equal too and no greater than the other anti christs like muhammed
and other false religoins . David , please bear with me on what i next say ,
I DONT HEED A WORD ONE OUTTA they lips friend . You heard that right . NOT A WORD ONE .

 

[amigo de christo]

BINGO

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

i heard a well known jewish rabbi trying to sell this lie .
HE claimed MOSES , JESUS , and MUHAMMED were all dancing under the temple mount for world peace .
NEITHER MOSES OR JESUS would dance with an anti christ .
NOT TO MENTION JESUS HIMSELF warned , IF THEY SAY HERE HE IS or there HE IS , HEED THEM NOT
for as the lightning flashes . MAN WHEN JESUS RETURNS we go home and wrath cometh DOWN upon all who denied HIM .