The social gospel?

[Eternally Grateful]

And you will think less and less of me as I expose you to more and more truth.

lol.. You think too highly of yourself

Judgment day is a day of great wrath.

Yes it will be

so will you be delievered from this day of wrath, or will you be delivered to this day of wrath.

That is not the time where pretenders, imaginers, hypocrites, and gross sinners and "liberated" from the fruits of their doings.

 

[Ritajanice]

I disagree in point. Everyone hs a measure of grace. The fact we are living and have the opportunity to come to God is but of Grace.

Everyone has a measure of faith ,given to us by Gods Grace...

His mercy and grace makes us his spirit children.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As I said....you only need to know you are Born Again.by divine revelation.....after that only the Spirit can teach us....our faith is in God...unreachable and unteach able...makes no sense...only to unbelievers...

We are spirit children of God and His Spirit is our teacher not you or me.

We are led by the Spirit....to understanding Gods word...you can’t lead yourself through scripture without the Spirit...only he can bring Gods word to our understanding in our spirit....

We are spirit children....not unbelievers of the world.

Again,

Even if we are born again, If we think we know all truth, we are in danger. And can not be taught when we are not in truth.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And you will think less and less of me as I expose you to more and more truth.

Judgment day is a day of great wrath. That is not the time where pretenders, imaginers, hypocrites, and gross sinners and "liberated" from the fruits of their doings.

No. There is that which is stable which is God’s love and acceptance. I don’t have to stoke or pet or be afraid that my doings or questions or doubts or even my failures …affect His stability toward me. His welcome doesn’t change and is never affected by needing my adornments. On here …interactions are not stable. I’ve been on here for years and have learned one minute someone can say incredibly nice things and then the next minute they can be saying you’re lost and not even saved or a child of God. It changes that quick. It’s fickle. It’s unstable all based off of my performance.

You say I think less of you because you tell me the truth…there again you’re thinking you’re Paul where he said “the more I love you the less I be loved.” …I have yet to see you’d become weak for me to be made strong. Instead it’s your constant comeback of your being strong, and I’m weak. It’s the opposite of what I see in Paul. If there is an example of a follower of Christ…Christ walking in a man…it is Paul.

 

[Episkopos]

But we of course need to know the difference between what is being graciously imputed to us and what we have actually attained and are actually walking in. We need to be seeking to live up to (attain/apprehend) what has been imputed.

Another thought on this. The difference we need to know is between what we THINK has been imputed to us and what we are actually doing. No one is judged by what they think is imputed to them...but by their works.

Pretenders are NOT encouraged in the Body of Christ...or they shouldn't be.

 

[Ritajanice]

Again,

Even if we are born again, If we think we know all truth, we are in danger. And can not be taught when we are not in truth.

Your talk is non sensical.

What is Gods truth delivered to our heart / spirit by divine revelation?

We are not in danger whatsoever we are under grace..God owns us, he’s in control of our spiritual well being...not us?

Do you not know that we are God’s own ?

 

[Ritajanice]

You say I think less of you because you tell me the truth…there again you’re thinking you’re Paul where he said “the more I love you the less I be loved.” …I have yet to see you’d become weak for me to be made strong. Instead it’s your constant comeback of your being strong, and I’m weak. It’s the opposite of what I see in Paul. If there is an example of a follower of Christ…Christ walking in a man…it is Paul.

Good spirit talk here, imo..

We die daily to self I believe....the Spirit gets us under his control...as in submission to him...I don’t mean by force.....it’s our spirit that communicates with God via His Spirit.

Of course that old mindset will rear its head at times, I know mine does.

We are spirit children and learn obedience and submission by our helper the Holy Spirit.only His Spirit can bring our spirit to obedience and submission.we wouldn’t know how....he has the power within us...as our spirit belongs to God....we’re under his control to be used also according to his purpose and plan.

 

[Episkopos]

No. There is that which is stable which is God’s love and acceptance. I don’t have to stoke or pet or be afraid that my doings or questions or doubts or even my failures …affect His stability toward me. His welcome doesn’t change and is never affected by needing my adornments. On here …interactions are not stable. I’ve been on here for years and have learned one minute someone can say incredibly nice things and then the next minute they can be saying you’re lost and not even saved or a child of God. It changes that quick. It’s fickle. It’s unstable all based off of my performance.

You say I think less of you because you tell me the truth…there again you’re thinking you’re Paul where he said “the more I love you the less I be loved.” …I have yet to see you’d become weak for me to be made strong. Instead it’s your constant comeback of your being strong, and I’m weak. It’s the opposite of what I see in Paul. If there is an example of a follower of Christ…Christ walking in a man…it is Paul.

I am claiming to be walking as a man...not an apostle. You are making this a battle of the egos....that I'm not interested in. But I still know of which I speak. That's why we are chatting. A conversation. If I can show you that your reasoning is off, that doesn't mean I claim to be a Paul.

And you feel weak because your argument is weak...not because I'm trying to belittle you. That's YOUR ego saying that. If you were humble and teachable, your response would be..OK....that maybe sounds reasonable "BUT". To write off everything I say is what the mob does...because they hate the truth. But if you spent any amount of time studying and praying about it, you would at least have a glimmer of what I'm speaking about.

 

[Ritajanice]

ol.. You think too highly of yourself

That could be said for many of us on this thread ..not just him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Another thought on this. The difference we need to know is between what we THINK has been imputed to us and what we are actually doing. No one is judged by what they think is imputed to them...but by their works.

If we are judged by what we are doing we are lost. All have sinned and fall short. You (we) have already failed

Pretenders are NOT encouraged in the Body of Christ...or they shouldn't be.

Who is the pretender

The one who thinks he is righteous. Or the one who in humility come to the throne of grace

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That could be said for many of us on this thread ..not just him.

I never said just him. My comment was for anyone myself included. Please try to listen to me and not misjudge what I say

 

[Episkopos]

I am talking about a legalist. Who trust their works. Not in someone who trusts God completely

The pot calling the kettle. You have no works at all. And you trust in your BELIEFS. Faith takes you to God...what you foolishly call "works".

How can anyone be that confused?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am claiming to be walking as a man...not an apostle. You are making this a battle of the egos....that I'm not interested in. But I still know of which I speak. That's why we are chatting. A conversation. If I can show you that your reasoning is off, that doesn't mean I claim to be a Paul.

And you feel weak because your argument is weak...not because I'm trying to belittle you. That's YOUR ego saying that. If you were humble and teachable, your response would be..OK....that maybe sounds reasonable "BUT". To write off everything I say is what the mob does...because they hate the truth. But if you spent any amount of time studying and praying about it, you would at least find yourself on the coattails of what I'm speaking about.

I didn’t compare you to Paul. I thought you did. In saying that I like you less because you tell me the truth. That remains to be seen, if you tell me the truth. Will you surrender your higher walk and take the lower walk, so I can by the power of God through your weakness be lifted higher? remember where He told Paul “My strength is made perfect in weakness.” ?

I need to get off here. Maybe you tell me the truth as you say. But I don’t need your adornments or flattery…because I know it’s temporal. You know how I know it’s temporal? Because it’s unstable. fleeting …temporary…? That is all I’m saying. Maybe you tell me the truth. But at this point I’ve realized I don’t need you to pat my head. It amounts to a hill of beans. Ok? I’ll consider what you said concerning scripture.

 

[Ritajanice]

I never said just him. My comment was for anyone myself included. Please try to listen to me and not misjudge what I say

I suggest you do the same thing.

 

[Episkopos]

I didn’t compare you to Paul. I thought you did. In saying that I like you less because you tell me the truth.

That's your comparison.

That remains to be seen, if you tell me the truth. Will you surrender your higher walk and take the lower walk, so I can by the power of God through your weakness be lifted higher?

Exactly. I'm here in the lower walk speaking of the higher walk. But that is God's doing as I prefer to walk in the higher walk. It just so happens that I "surrendered" my higher walk...not to help others (God's purpose) but because I was found unworthy over time.

remember where He told Paul “My strength is made perfect in weakness.” ?

That's something different. Weakness towards God brings His strength. Surrender to God brings grace.

I need to get off here. Maybe you tell me the truth as you say. But I don’t need your adornments or flattery…because I know it’s temporal. You know how I know it’s temporal? Because it’s unstable. fleeting …temporary…? That is all I’m saying. Maybe you tell me the truth. But at this point I’ve realized I don’t need you to pat my head. It amounts to a hill of beans. Ok? I’ll consider what you said concerning scripture.

Amen. Anyone who reads my posts will be certain I'm not looking for human approval. And that really bothers those who are.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The pot calling the kettle. You have no works at all.

And here we go epi is now God he knows me. @Rita how can we let this continue?

And you trust in your BELIEFS. Faith takes you to God...what you foolishly call "works".

How can anyone be that confused?

No

I trust God to save me and God to take me to himself

If you want to see a confused person how can you claim your righteousness is what saves you then deny it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I suggest you do the same thing.

Thank you

 

[Christian Soldier]

I like the fact that if we know to do right, yet do not do it, it is sin.

I think the issue is people do not understand what the defenition of sin is. I think this is why they can look in the mirror and think they are ok.. Because they do nto commit the “big” sins as many call them

Yes, I agree we can't appreciate how offensive sin is in Gods sight. We see our sins from a human perspective and they doesn't seem to be that bad. But if we compare ourselves to a perfectly righteous and Just God, then it's like comparing pitch black darkness to brilliant blinding light.

I've heard unbelievers try to justify their sinful lifestyles by saying, "I can't help it, this is the way God made me". That attitude is in stark contrast to what Paul said about his battle with sin. He described it as a wrestling match, between his new nature and his old nature. So born again believers still have to struggle with temptation and we don't always win, we can still be overcome by temptation if we don't keep on guard and wear the whole armor of God.

Born again believers know how to do right better than anyone else, but even we fail sometimes. The difference between our sin and that of unbelievers is, ours is not premeditated. We don't live as those who have sold out to serve sin, they make no effort to resist temptation, they actually premediate most of their sinful activities and make provisions to facilitate their sinful behavior. The born again believer, grieves over his sins and repents of them right away and God is faithful to forgive them every time.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That's your comparison.


Exactly. I'm here in the lower walk speaking of the higher walk. But that is God's doing as I prefer to walk in the higher walk. It just so happens that I "surrendered" my higher walk...not to help others (God's purpose) but because I was found unworthy over time.


That's something different. Weakness towards God beings His strength. Surrender to God brings grace.

Amen. Anyone who reads my posts will be certain I'm not looking for human approval. And that really bothers those who are.

I have a question then about not looking for human approval. I’m not trying to be ugly. It’s a serious question. Why the does it seem like I can manipulate which way you go? I can either lavish you and stay in your good graces. Or dare to cut you loose? Why do I experience the angst of fear of offending by not being able to disagree and having that choose to either … remain on good terms or to dare to be counted as the other sorts? Why is there a strong …hmm to flatter or to not flatter?

 

[Episkopos]

And here we go epi is now God he knows me. @Rita how can we let this continue?

No

I trust God to save me and God to take me to himself

When? After you die?

If you want to see a confused person how can you claim your righteousness is what saves you then deny it?

false. More mischaracterization. How are we judged? By our beliefs? Do you know what is says in the bible...over and over and over?