The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial
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And? This is typical Pretrib pettiness. No Scripture. No exegesis. No sense. This vague statement above sums up the impotence of the Pretrib argument. What does this prove? Nothing. We all believe that there were 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. But none of this proves Pretrib.
All you have is irrelevant soundbites that prove nothing. Your inability to present one proof text is obvious. That is because you promote extra-biblical teaching. It enjoys no explicit Scripture.
The Light
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Maybe I need to copy and paste your futile arguments. Have you ever proven anything beyond you have to change the scripture to make your doctrine work.
Who do you think the foolish virgins are that think the Lord is coming AFTER the wrath of God when we are not appointed to wrath?
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When did i say that? Never. You seem to have a major reading problem. You twist what Amils say because you are bereft of Scripture. You twist what Amils say because you cannot refute Amillennialism.
The reality is: we are rescued from the wrath of God. We are protected anytime God pours it upon the wicked. They are continually under that.
The 5 wise virgins are rescued from sudden destruction. The 5 foolish are destroyed. Simple! They miss the boat. What happened to those left outside of the ark when the flood came? They were all destroyed!
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I for one am very grateful to WPM for setting the record straight. It was badly needed because some people having an unbiblical doctrine to defend, use the ECF in a dishonorable way.
No, I won't go back over the discussions we've had in this thread to show you where you have forced contradictions. It would be a waste of my time because you've already proven through your replies in this thread that contradictions aren't a problem for you, even though you say there can be no contradictions in the Word of God. That's the difference between Premillennialists like yourself, and Amillennialism. Amil doctrine does not force contradictions, rather it proves how there can be none. OTOH when Premillennialists are shown their contradictions, they ignore them and change the subject, or the favored ploy accuse and attack.
The Light
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You didn't have to say it. You think that the Church is raptured sometime around the 7th trumpet, even though there is no scriptural support for this. That means you have the Church on earth during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, day of His wrath. We are not appointed to wrath so the Church cannot be on earth during the 7th seal. Additionally, you miss this rapture, which happens BEFORE the wrath of God.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
You are trying to comprehend Amillennialism through the lens of your mistaken understanding of Revelation. Please do not go there! We do not believe what you believe. You are incapable of comprehending what others believe outside of your own indoctrinated Pretrib box. Many of us see 7 recaps in the book of Revelation. It is not a chronological record of end-times. We are seeing different camera views of the same game. The 6th seal is the end of the world. The 7th trumpet is the end of the world. The 7th vial is the end of the world. So, no, we are not subject to the wrath of God!
The Light
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Not true! The seventh seal is silence in heaven. Read it. Stop adding on to the Bible. The seventh seal is silence in response to the destruction of the world in the sixth seal. Rev 8:1 “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”
The Light
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Hello! Watch my lips: the trumpets are a brand new recap. Stop forcing your error on my beliefs.
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Hello @Keraz,
The 1,000 year reign is the reign of the Overcomers with Christ (Rev.20:6; 6:9, 12:11) as a reward for faithfulness: but His reign continues after that period ends surely.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Spiritual Israelite
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I do not believe he was attempting to deceive others. What proof do you have of that? Why would he do that when there's no need to change the text to make it support Amil? If you're going to make this accusation you should have some kind of proof to back it up. Can you find any other examples of him doing such a thing? Normally, someone who does that kind of thing does it more than once and usually does it on a regular basis.
Spiritual Israelite
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This is just stupid. As if the way you interpret the passage supports your doctrine? Not at all! So, I don't know what you're trying to pull here, but you're being deceptive by acting like the way you interpret the passage supports your doctrine, which it doesn't, and the only reason Amils interpret it the way we do is because of how one person interprets one Greek word, which is ludicrous. You interpret the passage in such a way that you turn a 24 hour day into a year instead. So, I guess you are trying to deceive others by saying that?
Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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What is your point in saying this? Yes, there are 5 wise virgins and 5 foolish virgins in the parable in Matthew 25:1-13. And? This sums up your doctrine. You just say things and do nothing to explain your doctrine and nothing to back it up. You're all hot air and no substance.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Yes, and it arrives unexpectedly during a literal 24 hour day at which point "sudden destruction" by fire comes down on all of Christ's enemies from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12). You foolishly have this SUDDEN destruction lasting for a whole year, which is ridiculous.
Exactly. They are incapable of rebutting anything we write. Their posts are bereft of substance. They lack Scripture and they lack exegesis.
They are describing themselves In their charges. They are so angry and frustrated - thus all the ad hominem. That is all they have. It is projection every time.
The Light
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Already been down this road several times. Always excuses. Never any accountability.
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