The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

[Davidpt]

Jesus said this generation,not that generation.

I take out a hundred dollar bill out of my wallet. I then say, "do you see THIS hundred dollar bill I now have in my hand?" "It could be yours if you sell me that laptop you have that I want to buy for a hundred dollars." "At least think about it." I then put the hundred dollar bill back in my wallet. 15 minutes later that dude then asks me, "do you still have THAT hundred dollar bill you showed me earlier?" "You mean THAT hundred dollar bill I got out of my wallet 15 minutes ago?" "Yes I still have THAT hundred dollar bill".

The logic would be this then, right? Since I intially said this hundred dollar bill then said that hundred bill, it can't be the same hundred dollar bill because if it was I would have said this rather than that?

 

[tailgator]

Jesus was talking to the 1st century leaders of the Jews about what they were going to do in the 1st century to Him and to his disciples.

The modern nation's government is not the only antichrist government in the world, and aside from them, there is one other people called by the name of God's Messiah capable of committing harlotry. I wonder who they might be?

They might be people who say things like, 'If we were Jews who lived in the days of the Jews of the 1st century, we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets or of the saints.'

And you keep implying falsely that I'm pinning the harlot onto Rome alone. Yet the body of Christ is located on many waters which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues (i.e catholic, which is another word for universal, and does not necessarily refer alone to the church going by the name "Catholic").

The identity of Babylon the Great is a mystery, and though I believe you may be correct, I do not believe speculation. I do not even believe my own speculation (though you quite obviously believe your own).

If you are correct about "Persia" hating "the harlot" (Jerusalem) you still cannot explain why the ten horns crowned with crowns on the beast whose mortal wound on one of its heads was healed, are not the same as the beast that has 10 kings existing contemporaneously with it, and handing over all their power and authority to the beast.

In the Revelation, the harlot is not the beast that she is seated on and Revelation 13 says nothing about the harlot, and you have created two beasts and 20 kings.

The only group of people who the Islamic enemies of Israel hate more than the saints, are the Jews and the nation of Israel. Once they are out of the way the saints will be next.​

The only harlot the Islamic states hate is apostate Israel.

You don't hear Iran or Turkey saying death to Arab Christians.They say death to Israel. The harlot.


Do you know what the day of the Lord is?

 

[IndianaRob]

I take out a hundred dollar bill out of my wallet. I then say, "do you see THIS hundred dollar bill I now have in my hand?" "It could be yours if you sell me that laptop you have that I want to buy for a hundred dollars." "At least think about it." I then put the hundred dollar bill back in my wallet. 15 minutes later that dude then asks me, "do you still have THAT hundred dollar bill you showed me earlier?" "You mean THAT hundred dollar bill I got out of my wallet 15 minutes ago?" "Yes I still have THAT hundred dollar bill".

The logic would be this then, right? Since I intially said this hundred dollar bill then said that hundred bill, it can't be the same hundred dollar bill because if it was I would have said this rather than that?

Jesus makes it unmistakable that this generation meant the generation standing before him when he told the disciples they will not go to all the cities of Israel until the So of Man be come.

 

[Zao is life]

So you believe the end and Jesus coming was in the first century.

Stop telling me what I believe and expecting me to answer you. Your guesses about what I believe are in any case wrong. You simply misunderstand a lot of scripture.

 

[tailgator]

I take out a hundred dollar bill out of my wallet. I then say, "do you see THIS hundred dollar bill I now have in my hand?" "It could be yours if you sell me that laptop you have that I want to buy for a hundred dollars." "At least think about it." I then put the hundred dollar bill back in my wallet. 15 minutes later that dude then asks me, "do you still have THAT hundred dollar bill you showed me earlier?" "You mean THAT hundred dollar bill I got out of my wallet 15 minutes ago?" "Yes I still have THAT hundred dollar bill".

The logic would be this then, right? Since I intially said this hundred dollar bill then said that hundred bill, it can't be the same hundred dollar bill because if it was I would have said this rather than that?

This generation has more than one interpretation.
If you believe it only has one interpretation then you are missing the other interpretations.

Word: genea

Pronounce: ghen-eh-ah'

Strongs Number: G1074

Orig: from (a presumed derivative of) 1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):--age, generation, nation, time. G1085

Use: TDNT-1:662,114 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H410 H1755 H2233 H2567 H3117 H3211 H4940 H5971 H7256 H8029

1. 1) fathered, birth, nativity2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy2b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character2b1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied by each successive generation), a space of 30-33 year

If you look at the antichrist leaders of Israel today,they are not much different than they were 2000 years ago.Their clothes have changed a little maybe.Most modern denominations of Judaism come from the pharisees.
The Pharisees never ended. They became rabbinic Judaism.

 

[Zao is life]

Do you know what the day of the Lord is?

Stop asking me questions. Things we've already spoken about and disagreed upon because you do not know what day the day of the Lord is every time it's mentioned in scripture.

 

[tailgator]

Stop telling me what I believe and expecting me to answer you. Your guesses about what I believe are in any case wrong. You simply misunderstand a lot of scripture.

You just quoted the verse I posted about Jesus coming and the persecution that takes place before his coming at the end and you said he was talking about the first century.

Make up your mind already.Are you saying the tribulation and Jesus second coming was in the first century or not?


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

[tailgator]

Stop asking me questions. Things we've already spoken about and disagreed upon because you do not know what day the day of the Lord is every time it's mentioned in scripture.

Ok,I take that as you don't know.

 

[Zao is life]

Ok,I take that as you don't know.

You should take that as I already discussed it with you and because you don't know, we disagreed, because that would be correct.

 

[Zao is life]

You just quoted the verse I posted about Jesus coming and the persecution that takes place before his coming at the end and you said he was talking about the first century.

Make up your mind already.Are you saying the tribulation and Jesus second coming was in the first century or not?


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Is there only one Day of the LORD in scripture?

 

[tailgator]

Is there only one Day of the LORD in scripture?

Yes is appears there is only one day of the Lord as the word day is singular.
All the prophets who spoke of it spoke pretty much the same thing
Doom and destruction for many and deliverance for others.

 

[tailgator]

Here Jesus teaches of the tribulation which is the persecution of christians in Israel before the end and his second coming.
Notice ,Jesus does not say this persecution is worldwide nor does he say it takes place outside of Israel.


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

[Zao is life]

Yes is appears there is only one day of the Lord as the word day is singular.
All the prophets who spoke of it spoke pretty much the same thing
Doom and destruction for many and deliverance for others.

I see. So there never was a time when there was doom and destruction for many because of God's judgment or wrath coming upon a nation or nations, and deliverance for others, and the first time such a thing will ever occur, is when Jesus returns.

Okay.

 

[tailgator]

I see. So there never was a time when there was doom and destruction for many because of God's judgment or wrath coming upon a nation or nations, and deliverance for others, and the first time such a thing will ever occur, is when Jesus returns.

Okay.

Day-singular.
For instance,
Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
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Kinda hard to say this has taken place many times..In fact I haven't read any prophets or apostles in the bible that says the day of the Lord has already been fulfilled.

 

[Zao is life]

Day-singular.
For instance,
Zech 14

14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
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Kinda hard to say this has taken place many times..In fact I haven't read any prophets or apostles in the bible that says the day of the Lord has already been fulfilled.

What day of the LORD is being lamented about in Lamentations 2:22?

What day of the LORD is being spoken about in Ezekiel 13:5?

What period is the Day of the LORD coming upon Judah mentioned in Zephaniah 1:7 &14 taking place?

What period is the Day of the LORD upon Judah's enemies mentioned in Zechariah 14:1 taking place?

 

[Davidpt]

Yes is appears there is only one day of the Lord as the word day is singular.
All the prophets who spoke of it spoke pretty much the same thing
Doom and destruction for many and deliverance for others.

That's pretty much my take on it as well, that pretty much every instance of the DOTL in both the OT and NT, these are involving the same DOTL.

Take Isaiah 13 that has been brought up. While there might be some of that that could maybe fit ancient times, not all of it can. Plus, some of it appears to match what is recorded in the 6th seal in Revelation 6.

For example.

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Versus...

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


Though, IMO, none of this is meaning literal, that is beside the point. Because, if stars are falling from heaven, thus no longer in heaven, that equals the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light. After all, how can they give their light if they have fallen instead? Right?

Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

To me this sounds like something global not something local. He says He will punish the world.

By you and me and others interpreting these passages the way we do, we are not going to be popular around here, though. Yet, I would rather be right and unpopular rather than popular but wrong.

 

[tailgator]

What day of the LORD is being lamented about in Lamentations 2:22?

What day of the LORD is being spoken about in Ezekiel 13:5?

What period is the Day of the LORD coming upon Judah mentioned in Zephaniah 1:7 &14 taking place?

What period is the Day of the LORD upon Judah's enemies mentioned in Zechariah 14:1 taking place?

They are all describing the same day but Ezekiel is talking about the false prophets who tell Israel it shall have peace and safety before that day.


Zephaniah
2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.

3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.

Zechariah 14

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.



Isaiah 13
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.



Mathew 13
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth



Revelation 11
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[tailgator]

That's pretty much my take on it as well, that pretty much every instance of the DOTL in both the OT and NT, these are involving the same DOTL.

Take Isaiah 13 that has been brought up. While there might be some of that that could maybe fit ancient times, not all of it can. Plus, some of it appears to match what is recorded in the 6th seal in Revelation 6.

For example.

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Versus...

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


Though, IMO, none of this is meaning literal, that is beside the point. Because, if stars are falling from heaven, thus no longer in heaven, that equals the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light. After all, how can they give their light if they have fallen instead? Right?

Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

To me this sounds like something global not something local. He says He will punish the world.

By you and me and others interpreting these passages the way we do, we are not going to be popular around here, though. Yet, I would rather be right and unpopular rather than popular but wrong.

I also would rather be right and unpopular rather than popular and wrong.
I also agree about the 6th seal.But I learned something from Jesus in the gospel concerning the earthquakes and great fearful signs in the heavens as those after the 6th seal is opened.They are the effects from nation rising against nation.


Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.




I don't believe those are falling stars .They may appear to be falling stars though.I believe they are nuclear missiles falling to the earth.The heavens departing from the earth like a scroll being rolled together and the earthquake in Revelation 6, are signatures of a nuclear explosion.


Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

This verse marks the beginning of the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1





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[Zao is life]

They are all describing the same day but Ezekiel is talking about the false prophets who tell Israel it shall have peace and safety before that day.

Nonsense. Much of biblical history is prophecy. The historical events become types of things to come.

By your logic, Nebuchadnezzar could not have caused all peoples, nations, tribes and tongues to fall down and worship his image or be thrown into a furnace because "that prophecy is talking about Revelation 13", the days of which have not come yet.

There are quite a few other examples of the logic you apply to the day of the LORD.

 

[tailgator]

Nonsense. Much of biblical history is prophecy. The historical events become types of things to come.

By your logic, Nebuchadnezzar could not have caused all peoples, nations, tribes and tongues to fall down and worship his image or be thrown into a furnace because "that prophecy is talking about Revelation 13", the days of which have not come yet.

There are quite a few other examples of the logic you apply to the day of the LORD.

Falsehood
I thought we were talking about the day of the Lord .Now you saying it was the day of the Lord when Nebuchadnezzar said for everyone to worship his image which is a shadow of the Israelites worshiping the image of the beast.

The Israelites who worship the image of the beast will be cast into a furnace by the word of God.
The Israelites who resist worshiping the image of the beast are not cast into the lake of fire.



The word of God says day of the Lord.
Singular


You say the word of God is wrong and that it should be days of the Lord.
Plural.