The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

[Zao is life]

You would blame anyone but the beast.
You blame Rome because the Jewish beast Herod tried to kill Jesus.Shame on you.


You would blame Italy for everything Benjamin netanyahu does in the bible.

You are just being ridiculous. Herod was appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate in circa 39/40 B.C. At the behest of the Roman ruler Mark Antony, Herod and the governor of Syria set out with a large army in 37 BCE and captured Jerusalem for Rome. From this moment, Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of "king of the Jews" for himself, usurping the Jewish Hasmonean family dynasty.

His son Herod Antipas was appointed Tertrach of Galileee after Herod the Great's death in 4 B.C. Historical records differ on which Herod caused the death of the firstborn under two years of age.

Herod was a Roman appointed king who was born into a family that was not ethnically Jewish and had converted to Judaism a couple of generations before. The Herod family's allegiance was not to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or to Israel, but to Rome.

The vast majority of Jews did not recognize Herod as the king of the Jews because he was a Roman-appointed king.

These are historical facts and though you have sought so desperately to, you cannot lay the blame for anything Herod did at the feet of the Jews. He was acting on behalf of himself and also of Rome, not the Jews.

"And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child" -- Revelation 12:4.

Your circular arguments are amateur and uninformed.​

 

[tailgator]

Herod was appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate in circa 39/40 B.C. Herod and the governor of Syria, at the behest of Mark Antony, set out with a large army in 37 BCE and captured Jerusalem. From this moment, Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of "king of the Jews" for himself, usurping the Jewish Hasmonean family dynasty.

His son Herod Antipas was apoointed Tertrach of Galileee after Herod the Great's death in 4 B.C. Historical records differ on which Herod caused the death of the firstborn under two years of age.

The Herods' allegiance was not to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or to Israel, but to Rome. Herod was a Roman appointed king who was born into a family that was not ethnically Jewish and had converted to Judaism a couple of generations before.

The vast majority of Jews did not recognize Herod as the king of the Jews because he was a Roman-appointed king.

You cannot lay the blame for anything Herod did at the feet of the Jews. He was acting on behalf of Rome, not the Jews.​

You blame everything Herod did on Italians .
I blame everything Herod did on Herod.

Herod,king of the Jews who wanted to make sure no one else would be king of the Jews.He wanted to make sure no one else in his kingdom would worship Jesus.
Herod who sought to kill Jesus as soon as he was born.


Revelation 12
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



You do all you can to avoid the truth.
It was Herod,king of the Jews who tried to kill Jesus.Even though scripture says Herod sought to kill Jesus,you say it was Italians.

Herod was not Italian.
He was Jewish and he killed Jews.




Mathew 2
13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.



"Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

 

[tailgator]

You are just being ridiculous. Herod was appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate in circa 39/40 B.C. At the behest of the Roman ruler Mark Antony, Herod and the governor of Syria set out with a large army in 37 BCE and captured Jerusalem for Rome. From this moment, Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of "king of the Jews" for himself, usurping the Jewish Hasmonean family dynasty.

His son Herod Antipas was appointed Tertrach of Galileee after Herod the Great's death in 4 B.C. Historical records differ on which Herod caused the death of the firstborn under two years of age.

Herod was a Roman appointed king who was born into a family that was not ethnically Jewish and had converted to Judaism a couple of generations before. The Herod family's allegiance was not to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or to Israel, but to Rome.

The vast majority of Jews did not recognize Herod as the king of the Jews because he was a Roman-appointed king.

These are historical facts and though you have sought so desperately to, you cannot lay the blame for anything Herod did at the feet of the Jews. He was acting on behalf of himself and also of Rome, not the Jews.

"And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child" -- Revelation 12:4.

Your circular arguments are amateur and uninformed.​

Jesus says Jerusalem is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth.
You say Rome Italy is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth.

You contradict everything Jesus teaches about the prostitute.



Mathew 23
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

 

[tailgator]

Herod want to make sure no one else in his kingdom would worship the child born "king of the Jews".

It's no different today.Jesus is not wanted in the land of Israel by the beast.

 

[Zao is life]

Herod want to make sure no one else in his kingdom would worship the child born "king of the Jews".

It's no different today.Jesus is not wanted in the land of Israel by the beast.

LOL. You're obsessed with trying to pin the beast from the abyss, Babylon the Great, and everything that ever represented anything that is evil, on the Jews. Not only the Jews of Jesus' generation - one of whom (the Jews) is the Son of God , some of whom handed Him and His apostles over to Gentiles be put to death, and some of whom risked their lives to take the gospel to the Gentiles - but of every generation of Jews.

You're obsessed and as a result your eschatological imaginings are unbalanced.

 

[tailgator]

LOL. You're obsessed with trying to pin the beast from the abyss, Babylon the Great, and everything that ever represented anything that is evil, on the Jews.

False accusations.

The beast from the abyss and the beast from the sea is not the same beast.Ive already told you this.

The beast from the sea is the beast in the land of Israel today.That is the beast which received a deadly wound in 70 AD.That is the beast which was healed ,in 1948 and them who names are not written followed after a from all nations ,tongues and peoples.That is the beast which will persecute the saints for 42 months before Jesus comes .That beast is the king of Babylon.


The beast from the abyss only controls Jerusalem for 3.5 days after killing the two witnesses.It shall ransack the houses and rape the women of Israel just like the muslim beast it is.After it has taken Jerusalem ,the Lord comes and destroys those nations.That beast and the ten muslim nations which fight against the Lord at his coming.

The entire middle east will be destroyed from Iran to Egypt.


Do you understand what the day of the Lord is?

 

[tailgator]

The beast from the abyss has already been talking about it's coming war with Babylon.But it is not yet time .It will not attack Jerusalem till after a three year drought as seen in revelation 11.That is what Muslims are taught in the Hadith.To go to war with Dajall after a three year drought.
Iran(the Medes)and all its Muslims neighbors are waiting till after a severe three year drought to go to war with Babylon.

 

[tailgator]

The Medes talking about their coming war with Babylon.Like I said though,armegeddon doesn't start till after a severe three year drought and that is when all Muslims are commanded in the Hadith to take part in jihad.The Euphrates river will run dry at the end of those three years.

Iran and Hezbollah vowed revenge against Israel. Why hasn't it come?

Iranian officials say their response to two assassinations blamed on Israel may be delayed.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Zao is life]

False accusations.

The beast from the abyss and the beast from the sea is not the same beast.Ive already told you this.

The beast from the sea is the beast in the land of Israel today.That is the beast which received a deadly wound in 70 AD.That is the beast which was healed in 1948

"And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns." -- Revelation 13:1.

"And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom yet, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked. And they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire." -- Revelation 17:12-13, 16.

But you have two beasts and 20 kings.

"They that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." -- Revelation 17:8

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." -- Revelation 13:8

But you have two beasts and 20 kings.

"Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth" -- Revelation 17:5

"Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication" -- Revelation 17:1-2.

"Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife." -- Revelation 21:9.

New Jerusalem is a city of gold, precious stones and pearls (Revelation 21:10-11 & 18-21).

The harlot is "..gilded with gold, precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her FORNICATION" (Revelation 17:4).

In the book of Revelation, only:-

(1) Jezebel of the church at Thyatira & her followers; as well as
(2) the kings of the earth; and
(3) Babylon the Great

are said to commit fornication.

The kings of the earth who committed fornication with Babylon the Great wept and wailed over her demise (Revelation 18:9) when she was destroyed by the 10 kings of the beast who will "hate her, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Rev 17:16).

You are very selective about who has the propensity to commit spiritual fornication because you have limited this to a woman who is not the bride of Christ.

The generation of Jewish leaders that Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 23 was not the generation that killed the prophets, yet Jesus held them equally responsible because they were going to have Him killed, as well as His disciples persecuted, and some of them killed. And Jesus was talking to THAT generation and to the leaders of the Jews, not to ALL generations of Jews or to ALL Jews.

The Vatican too, has the blood of many saints on its hands.

Likewise, the Old Testament harlot mentioned in Ezekiel‬ ‭16:13, 37-41 is the type of all who act in a likewise fashion, including the New Testament harlot. So the same language used to describe the judgment of the Old Testament harlot would be used to describe the judgment of the New Testament harlot.

The only reason why you may be correct about the identity of Babylon the Great, is because the Revelation calls her the MOTHER of harlots, yet this is what God actually says in Ezekiel 16:44-46:

"'Observe - everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: "Like mother, like daughter." You are the daughter of your mother, who detested her husband and her sons, and you are the sister of your sisters who detested their husbands and their sons.

Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite.

Your older sister was Samaria, who lived north of you with her daughters, and your younger sister, who lived south of you, was Sodom with her daughters.

God is using metaphor, and He is not selective in His indictment of fornication. If Jerusalem is the MOTHER of harlots (as you say), the (Roman Catholic) Church is one of her daughters, and all churches who make themselves equally guilty, are her sisters.

But Jerusalem being THE MOTHER of harlots is not what God says in the Ezekiel passage - which you quoted. God says she is THE DAUGHTER of the mother, and that HER MOTHER was a Hittite and her father an Amorite - leaving the identity of THE MOTHER (Babylon the Great) a mystery.

Paul taught us that New Jerusalem is OUR MOTHER, and the Revelation teaches us that there is a city which has sovereignty over the kings of the earth which is located on many waters (which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues) who is the MOTHER of harlots.

If that city is Jerusalem and is THE MOTHER of harlots then all Christian congregations who commit spiritual fornication are her daughters and her sisters.

But that Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ or part of the bride of Christ, and only a married woman is considered a harlot when she commits adultery, and in Ezekiel 16 God says she is THE DAUGHTER of her mother.

Islam: Allah has no son.
Judaism: God has no Son

The above Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ or part of the bride of Christ, and only a married woman is considered a harlot when she commits adultery. So IMO your view of the identity of the MOTHER of harlots is limited and selective (yet may be correct).

But your view of the beast from the sea with ten horns and ten crowns on his horns not being the same as the beast ascended from the abyss with ten kings is just false, IMO.

Psalm 83
"A Song. A Psalm of Asaph. Keep not silence, O God; do not be speechless, and be not still, O God. For lo, Your enemies roar; and those who hate You have lifted up their head. They take shrewd counsel against Your people, and plot against Your hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, so that the name Israel may be remembered no more. For with one heart they have plotted together; they have made a covenant against You--

1. The tents of Edom; and
2. the Ishmaelites; and of
3. Moab; and of
4. the Hagarites; and of
5. Gebal; and
6. Ammon; and
7. Amalek; and
8 the Philistines with
9 the people of Tyre; and
10. Assyria has joined with them; they have helped the sons of Lot. Selah."

The name of Israel is more than just "the Jews and the capital city of the Jews".​

 

[Zao is life]

You blame everything Herod did on Italians .
I blame everything Herod did on Herod.

Herod,king of the Jews who wanted to make sure no one else would be king of the Jews.He wanted to make sure no one else in his kingdom would worship Jesus.
Herod who sought to kill Jesus as soon as he was born.


Revelation 12
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.



You do all you can to avoid the truth.
It was Herod,king of the Jews who tried to kill Jesus.Even though scripture says Herod sought to kill Jesus,you say it was Italians.

Herod was not Italian.
He was Jewish and he killed Jews.




Mathew 2
13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.



"Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."

Herod was not acting on behalf of the Jews. He was an illegitimate Roman puppet-king who gave himself the title "king of the Jews". Herod was acting on behalf of Herod and Rome because he was made king by Rome and everything Herod ever did was as the representative of Rome because he was Rome's ruler in Judea who the Jews at the time did not even acknowledge as their king.

.. and the ancient Romans were not the same ethnic group as today's Italians, who are a mixture of ethnic peoples. You're being absolutely ridiculous again by talking about "Italians" and calling them "Romans".

Besides this, we're talking about a beast when we talk about Herod and the Roman emperor he represented, and on whose behalf he always acted.

You are just obsessed with pinning Herod's actions on the Jews. The actions with regard to Christ that can be pinned on the Jews are the events surrounding and leading to His death, not to His birth.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus says Jerusalem is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth.

Jesus was talking to THAT generation. You want Him to be talking to ALL generations and not at all to any adulterous Christians.

 

[Zao is life]

The Medes talking about their coming war with Babylon.Like I said though,armegeddon doesn't start till after a severe three year drought and that is when all Muslims are commanded in the Hadith to take part in jihad.The Euphrates river will run dry at the end of those three years.

Iran and Hezbollah vowed revenge against Israel. Why hasn't it come?

Iranian officials say their response to two assassinations blamed on Israel may be delayed.

news.yahoo.com

Back to the topic of this thread

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. -- 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark in his forehead or in his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the anger of God, having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath.

And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. -- Revelation 14:9-11

And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world. -- Revelation 13:8

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up here. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. -- Revelation 11:7 & 11-12.

Note:

1. The two witnesses will not be martyred by the beast that ascends from out of the abyss before it ascends from out of the abyss.

2. The martyred two witnesses cannot rise again from the dead before the return of Christ, because at the time of the return of Christ, the dead in Christ will rise first.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they were alive in their bodies [záō] and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the first resurrection of the body [anástasis]. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years. -- Revelation 20:4-5

The Greek word anástasis always refers to the resurrection of the body in the New Testament, without exception.​

 

[tailgator]

"And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns." -- Revelation 13:1.

"And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have received no kingdom yet, but will receive authority as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked. And they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire." -- Revelation 17:12-13, 16.

But you have two beasts and 20 kings.

"They that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is." -- Revelation 17:8

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." -- Revelation 13:8

But you have two beasts and 20 kings.

"Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Ruler of the kings of the earth" -- Revelation 17:5

"Come here, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication" -- Revelation 17:1-2.

"Come here, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife." -- Revelation 21:9.

New Jerusalem is a city of gold, precious stones and pearls (Revelation 21:10-11 & 18-21).

The harlot is "..gilded with gold, precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her FORNICATION" (Revelation 17:4).

In the book of Revelation, only:-

(1) Jezebel of the church at Thyatira & her followers; as well as
(2) the kings of the earth; and
(3) Babylon the Great

are said to commit fornication.

The kings of the earth who committed fornication with Babylon the Great wept and wailed over her demise (Revelation 18:9) when she was destroyed by the 10 kings of the beast who will "hate her, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Rev 17:16).

You are very selective about who has the propensity to commit spiritual fornication because you have limited this to a woman who is not the bride of Christ.

The generation of Jewish leaders that Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 23 was not the generation that killed the prophets, yet Jesus held them equally responsible because they were going to have Him killed, as well as His disciples persecuted, and some of them killed. And Jesus was talking to THAT generation and to the leaders of the Jews, not to ALL generations of Jews or to ALL Jews.

The Vatican too, has the blood of many saints on its hands.

Likewise, the Old Testament harlot mentioned in Ezekiel‬ ‭16:13, 37-41 is the type of all who act in a likewise fashion, including the New Testament harlot. So the same language used to describe the judgment of the Old Testament harlot would be used to describe the judgment of the New Testament harlot.

The only reason why you may be correct about the identity of Babylon the Great, is because the Revelation calls her the MOTHER of harlots, yet this is what God actually says in Ezekiel 16:44-46:

"'Observe - everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you: "Like mother, like daughter." You are the daughter of your mother, who detested her husband and her sons, and you are the sister of your sisters who detested their husbands and their sons.

Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite.

Your older sister was Samaria, who lived north of you with her daughters, and your younger sister, who lived south of you, was Sodom with her daughters.

God is using metaphor, and He is not selective in His indictment of fornication. If Jerusalem is the MOTHER of harlots (as you say), the (Roman Catholic) Church is one of her daughters, and all churches who make themselves equally guilty, are her sisters.

But Jerusalem being THE MOTHER of harlots is not what God says in the Ezekiel passage - which you quoted. God says she is THE DAUGHTER of the mother, and that HER MOTHER was a Hittite and her father an Amorite - leaving the identity of THE MOTHER (Babylon the Great) a mystery.

Paul taught us that New Jerusalem is OUR MOTHER, and the Revelation teaches us that there is a city which has sovereignty over the kings of the earth which is located on many waters (which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues) who is the MOTHER of harlots.

If that city is Jerusalem and is THE MOTHER of harlots then all Christian congregations who commit spiritual fornication are her daughters and her sisters.

But that Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ or part of the bride of Christ, and only a married woman is considered a harlot when she commits adultery, and in Ezekiel 16 God says she is THE DAUGHTER of her mother.

Islam: Allah has no son.
Judaism: God has no Son

The above Jerusalem is not the bride of Christ or part of the bride of Christ, and only a married woman is considered a harlot when she commits adultery. So IMO your view of the identity of the MOTHER of harlots is limited and selective (yet may be correct).

But your view of the beast from the sea with ten horns and ten crowns on his horns not being the same as the beast ascended from the abyss with ten kings is just false, IMO.

Psalm 83
"A Song. A Psalm of Asaph. Keep not silence, O God; do not be speechless, and be not still, O God. For lo, Your enemies roar; and those who hate You have lifted up their head. They take shrewd counsel against Your people, and plot against Your hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, so that the name Israel may be remembered no more. For with one heart they have plotted together; they have made a covenant against You--

1. The tents of Edom; and
2. the Ishmaelites; and of
3. Moab; and of
4. the Hagarites; and of
5. Gebal; and
6. Ammon; and
7. Amalek; and
8 the Philistines with
9 the people of Tyre; and
10. Assyria has joined with them; they have helped the sons of Lot. Selah."

The name of Israel is more than just "the Jews and the capital city of the Jews".​

False

I don't have 20 kings.
I have ten kings in the promised land .They don't double nor does the promised land increase in size.It is still all the land between the two rivers.The Euphrates and the Nile.


The beast from the sea which persecutes the Christian Jews in israel.is the little horn of Daniel.He is not one of the ten.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.



Notice,the little horn is the the beast which speaks against the most high and persecutes the saints for 42 months.The ten horns of the kingdom do not.

 

[tailgator]

Herod was not acting on behalf of the Jews. He was an illegitimate Roman puppet-king who gave himself the title "king of the Jews". Herod was acting on behalf of Herod and Rome because he was made king by Rome and everything Herod ever did was as the representative of Rome because he was Rome's ruler in Judea who the Jews at the time did not even acknowledge as their king.

.. and the ancient Romans were not the same ethnic group as today's Italians, who are a mixture of ethnic peoples. You're being absolutely ridiculous again by talking about "Italians" and calling them "Romans".

Besides this, we're talking about a beast when we talk about Herod and the Roman emperor he represented, and on whose behalf he always acted.

You are just obsessed with pinning Herod's actions on the Jews. The actions with regard to Christ that can be pinned on the Jews are the events surrounding and leading to His death, not to His birth.

False.Herod was acting upon his own behalf.


"Herod will seek the young child to destroy him."



You blame Italians for everything Herod ,king of the Jews did
I blame Herod,king of the Jews for what Herod did.

Romans live in Italy.
Herod the jew lived in judea where he tried to kill Jesus .He was not commanded to kill Jesus by Caesar nor did Caesar try to kill Jesus .It was Herod.


Mathew 2

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus was talking to THAT generation. You want Him to be talking to ALL generations and not at all to any adulterous Christians.

Jesus said this generation,not that generation.
A generation is a people of a lineage.
This generation is not punished by God till the seventh Trump sounds.Then the wrath of God is administered to this generation.
It will take place after everyone in israel.jad received the mark of the beast and have killed all.of Israel's watchmen who warn them against it.

 

[tailgator]

Back to the topic of this thread

The millinium doesn't start until after everyone in the promised land who do iniquity are cast into a furnace.All 11 horns and their peoples.The only people who are saved in those 11 nations belong to Christ

Mathew 13
41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This includes the little horn which you seem to support.Why you support it is beyond me.

 

[Zao is life]

The millinium doesn't start until after everyone in the promised land who do iniquity are cast into a furnace.All 11 horns and their peoples.

Mathew 13
41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

This includes the little horn which you seem to support.Why you support it is beyond me.

The only one I support is Jesus.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" -- Romans 3:23

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" -- Romans 5:12

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" -- Romans 3:24

"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" -- Romans 3:29

It's you who condemns, not me.

 

[tailgator]

The only one I support is Jesus.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" -- Romans 3:23

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" -- Romans 5:12

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" -- Romans 3:24

"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" -- Romans 3:29

It's you who condemns, not me.

Well,for some reason you will not acknowledge the evil antichrist government in the little country called Israel.That little horn who Jesus prophecied will kill his prophets and apostles.
Jesus said his disciples will be persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel up to the day he comes but you won't believe antichrist Jews will do what Jesus said they will do.

"Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.






His disciples will not be persecuted throughout all the cities of Italy before he comes.Italians will not be betraying their own family members to the beast as the antichrist Jews in Israel will..

 

[Zao is life]

Well,for some reason you will not acknowledge the evil antichrist government in the little country called Israel.That little horn who Jesus prophecied will kill his prophets and apostles.
Jesus said his disciples will be persecuted throughout all the cities of Israel up to the day he comes but you won't believe antichrist Jews will do what Jesus said they will do.

"Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.






His disciples will not be persecuted throughout all the cities of Italy before he comes.Italians will not be betraying their own family members to the beast as the antichrist Jews in Israel will..

Jesus was talking to the 1st century leaders of the Jews about what they were going to do in the 1st century to Him and to his disciples.

The modern nation's government is not the only antichrist government in the world, and aside from them, there is one other people called by the name of God's Messiah capable of committing harlotry. I wonder who they might be?

They might be people who say things like, 'If we were Jews who lived in the days of the Jews of the 1st century, we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets or of the saints.'

And you keep implying falsely that I'm pinning the harlot onto Rome alone. Yet the body of Christ is located on many waters which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues (i.e catholic, which is another word for universal, and does not necessarily refer alone to the church going by the name "Catholic").

The identity of Babylon the Great is a mystery, and though I believe you may be correct, I do not believe speculation. I do not even believe my own speculation (though you quite obviously believe your own).

If you are correct about "Persia" hating "the harlot" (Jerusalem) you still cannot explain why the ten horns crowned with crowns on the beast whose mortal wound on one of its heads was healed, are not the same as the beast that has 10 kings existing contemporaneously with it, and handing over all their power and authority to the beast.

In the Revelation, the harlot is not the beast that she is seated on and Revelation 13 says nothing about the harlot, and you have created two beasts and 20 kings.

The only group of people who the Islamic enemies of Israel hate more than the saints, are the Jews and the nation of Israel. Once they are out of the way the saints will be next.​

 

[tailgator]

Jesus was talking to the 1st century leaders of the Jews about what they were going to do in the 1st century to Him and to his disciples.

The modern nation's government is not the only antichrist government in the world, and aside from them, there is one other people called by the name of God's Messiah capable of committing harlotry. I wonder who they might be?

They might be people who say things like, 'If we were Jews who lived in the days of the Jews of the 1st century, we would not have participated with them in shedding the blood of the prophets or of the saints.'

And you keep implying falsely that I'm pinning the harlot onto Rome alone. Yet the body of Christ is located on many waters which are peoples, nations, tribes and tongues (i.e catholic, which is another word for universal, and does not necessarily refer alone to the church going by the name "Catholic").

The identity of Babylon the Great is a mystery, and though I believe you may be correct, I do not believe speculation. I do not even believe my own speculation (though you quite obviously believe your own).

If you are correct about "Persia" hating "the harlot" (Jerusalem) you still cannot explain why the ten horns crowned with crowns on the beast whose mortal wound on one of its heads was healed, are not the same as the beast that has 10 kings existing contemporaneously with it, and handing over all their power and authority to the beast.

In the Revelation, the harlot is not the beast that she is seated on and Revelation 13 says nothing about the harlot, and you have created two beasts and 20 kings.

The only group of people who the Islamic enemies of Israel hate more than the saints, are the Jews and the nation of Israel. Once they are out of the way the saints will be next.​

So you believe the end and Jesus coming was in the first century.

What year was the end of the tribulation and Jesus coming in the first century?


Mathew 10
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.