The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Timtofly]

1. No, there is a logical reason to the one who uses wisdom as scripture tells us.

2. People who love God’s word can be serious and they can relax and have fun. There’s no reason to be uptight in it. But my response was based on your idea it revolves around 6,000 years which is not what scripture suggests. That left field comment will be met with skepticism and rebuke because it is not an opinion based upon an idea. You completely changed what scripture says to fit some preconceived idea.

3. Adding your numbers does not 666. It equals 6,012.
600, 60 and 6 666.

No, the numbers to add are 600 + 60 + 6. Not what you keep trying to add. I already pointed out to add other numbers is futile.

666 is just 3 6's.

 

[covenantee]

The first event prior to the pre-trib rapture.

The topic is not The first event prior to the pre-trib rapture.

The topic is The Pre-Trib Rapture.

Exactly what you told us in your post 2635.

Remember that?

Obviously not.

 

[Timtofly]

Again, you’re deflecting and dodging. More flip flops than a Florida beach.

You said Eve was around before the Sabbath. I pointed out it was after.

You call that deflection. I call it a normal conversation. Is not posting: "Again, you’re deflecting and dodging. More flip flops than a Florida beach." itself just a deflection, instead of a normal back and forth? How does accusing a poster, further a serous conversation on a stated topic?

 

[Timtofly]

The topic is not The first event prior to the pre-trib rapture.

The topic is The Pre-Trib Rapture.

Exactly what you told us in your post 2635.

Remember that?

Obviously not.

And this post is about the topic?

 

[covenantee]

And this post is about the topic?

And this post is about the topic?

After more than 100 pages of posts with no mention of 1948 Israel, thus confirming its irrelevance, you muddy the topic by ignorantly interjecting it.

When I produce mathematical and empirical evidence invalidating your claims about Israel, you are unable to produce disproving evidence.

So you do what df's invariably do when backed into their heterodoxical corners: Resort to their last resort of puerile nonsense.

df.

An unsurpassed admixture of fantasy, fallacy, arrogance, and ignorance.

 

[marks]

The verse says "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". :)

Actually, it says something different from that.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The verse is absolutely saying the "agape" of God is demonstrated by keeping happily keeping His commandments, so do you still believe that "love is love, not lawkeeping"?

Galatians 5:1-6 KJV
1) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3) For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5) For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.


Galatians 5:13-14 KJV
13) For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So, OK, Phoneman, why the two different seeming statements? Jesus taught to keep the commandments. Paul is here saying, if you set yourself to Lawkeeping, you'd better keep them all perfectly. And that this is actually, "Fallen from grace." Why the difference?

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Why are you telling me something I already know?

Because Jesus' Olivet Discourse was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D. And as I HAVE ALREADY SAID TO YOU, Jesus told those upon the Mount of Olives that the generation which sees "all these things", will not pass until "all these things" come to pass, and He was pointing to ALL of those Signs He gave in those Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 chapters of His Olivet discourse.

That means even the event of not one stone atop another is part of "all these things" the final generation is to see at the end of this world, and not in 70 A.D.

 

[Timtofly]

And this post is about the topic?

After more than 100 pages of posts with no mention of 1948 Israel, thus confirming its irrelevance, you muddy the topic by ignorantly interjecting it.

When I produce mathematical and empirical evidence invalidating your claims about Israel, you are unable to produce disproving evidence.

So you do what df's invariably do when backed into their heterodoxical corners: Resort to their last resort of puerile nonsense.

df.

An unsurpassed admixture of fantasy, fallacy, arrogance, and ignorance.

And your point has even less to do with the topic instead of pointing how your point even relates to the topic. Then you brag about winning a debate.

 

[covenantee]

And your point has even less to do with the topic instead of pointing how your point even relates to the topic. Then you brag about winning a debate.

Until you can disprove the evidence I've provided, I've won the debate.

Complete with bragging rights.

A debate which you initiated.

1948 Israel.

 

[marks]

More flip flops than a Florida beach.

LOL!

:)

 

[covenantee]

Because Jesus' Olivet Discourse was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D. And as I HAVE ALREADY SAID TO YOU, Jesus told those upon the Mount of Olives that the generation which sees "all these things", will not pass until "all these things" come to pass, and He was pointing to ALL of those Signs He gave in those Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 chapters of His Olivet discourse.

That means even the event of not one stone atop another is part of "all these things" the final generation is to see at the end of this world, and not in 70 A.D.

Did this come to pass?

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

DECEIVERS

According to Josephus, the noted Jewish historian, twelve years after our Saviour’s death, a certain impostor named Theudas persuaded a great multitude to follow him to the river Jordan which he claimed would divide for their passage. At the time of Felix (who is mentioned in the book of Acts), the country of the Jews was filled with impostors who Felix had put to death EVERY DAY — a statement which indicates that there were “many” of such in those days.

An Egyptian who “pretended to be a prophet” gathered 30,000 men, claiming that he would show “how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down.”

Another deceiver was Simon, a sorcerer, who led people to believe he was the great power of God (See Acts 8). According to Irenaeus, Simon claimed to be the Son of God and creator of angels. Jerome says that he claimed to be the Word of God, the Almighty. Justin relates that he went to Rome and was acclaimed as a god by his magical powers.

Origen mentions a certain wonder-worker, Dositheus, who claimed he was the Christ foretold by Moses. Another deceiver in those days was Barchochebas who, according to Jerome, claimed to vomit flames. Bar-jesus is mentioned in Acts 13:6 as a sorcerer and false prophet. These are examples of the deceivers of whom history says there were “a great number”, and of whom Jesus had prophesied that there would be “many.”

Ralph Woodrow, Great Prophecies of the Bible

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you claim it's his literal appearance you are not in line with what it says just like not being in line when claiming a sword out of his mouth equals fire from heaven. So, Christ comes out of heaven and a sword comes out of his mouth but we are supposed to believe both are somehow fire?

He will send fire down on earth after He descends from heaven. That's what is indicated in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Does Christ come out of heaven or does fire come out of heaven?

Both.

Does a sword come out of his mouth or does fire come out of his mouth?

It's not a literal sword, as you have already acknowledged. You said yourself it is a symbolic sword, did you not? So, Revelation 19 does not specifically talk about the LITERAL way that Christ will destroy His enemies. Why can you not understand that? The fire does not come out of His mouth, which is ridiculous. He supernaturally sends it down to the earth.

Is Christ the fire or does it come from his mouth? Amillennialism's bad interpretation here and in Revelation 20 causes so many contradictions and problems.

Your nonsensical way of trying to explain what Amils believe causes problems. Our beliefs, however, do not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So is the fire in Revelation 20:9 then symbolic of a sword? It works both ways, no?

LOL! No, it doesn't work both ways, you silly goose. The dragon with seven heads and ten horns is symbolic of Satan, right? Can we also say that Satan is symbolic of the dragon with seven heads and ten horns? No. That would be ridiculous since Satan is not a symbol but an actual living being.

You are the one trying to call two different events the same event. 2 Peter 3 is not talking about Revelation 19 nor Revelation 20. 2 Peter 3 is about the opening of the 6th Seal in Revelation 6, and then we wait for Revelation 21.

Revelation 19 and 20 take place somewhere in time between 6 and 21.

LOL. No. How can a bunch of stuff happen on earth after it's burned up? What nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Most of those calling themselves Christians or the church, have seem pretty fallen away for decades. How much further can the church apostasize?

Is this your way of saying that you believe the falling away that Paul referenced in 2 Thess 2:3 already started decades ago?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul says we meet the Lord in the air, the clouds. That is disappearing from the earth. That happens at the Second Coming. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Obviously, but where is the description of all the chaos and destruction that would occur on the earth as a result of this event if it happens before the last day of earth as we know it?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Anyone who breaks the Sabbath and knows they ought to be keeping it doesn't have Jesus in their heart.

So, that doesn't apply to me then, right? Since I don't have any conviction that I should be keeping the Sabbath the way you understand it. So, would you say that I don't have the mark of the beast then even though I don't observe the Sabbath the way you think I should?

The time will soon arrive when God's law will take center stage on the world theatre, and all will be laid bare then.

What does this mean?

 

[Phoneman777]

i don't think you should be disrespecting the moderators since this heresy-friendly-board is the only Christian forum left on the internet that allows you to go on talking.

Never had a prob with any site except the leftist mods on CC, and as far as I'm concerned they and the leftist haters they protect can embrace the destiny that is for all who refuse to love the truth.

what does the evidence say, hmm? self-examine much?

The problem with liberal Christians like you is that you think James said the law is a window through which you look and condemn others instead of a mirror by which you are to examine yourself.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is no verse that declares Jesus opens the 7th Seal in heaven.

Jesus will wait until His throne is set up in Jerusalem, and He is seated in the Temple before the 7th Seal is opened. There is a verse, Matthew 25:31 that states He is sitting on a throne on earth.

Where does that say He is sitting on a throne on earth? I don't see that anywhere. Looks like you're making that up.

Matthew 25:31 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

Nope, no mention of earth here. Revelation 20:11 indicates that heaven and earth flee from His presence at the judgment, so it can't be on earth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The issue is not whether I or anyone else keep or break God's commandments. JESUS kept them and says we are to "walk as He walked".

Are YOU keeping God's commandments? Are you a "Just Man" or a "Presumptuous Man"?

You won't even tell me exactly what you think it means to keep His commandments, so how can I answer your question? Does it mean to keep His commandments perfectly without ever sinning? If so, I can't say that I'm doing that. But, I do love God with all my heart, soul and mind and love my neighbor as myself, which sums up God's commandments. So, in that sense, I would say that I am keeping His commandments.