The Pre-Trib Rapture

[No Pre-TB]

There won't be a logical reason until it happens. You can't even be serious about God's Word. Adding up those numbers is still 666.

1. No, there is a logical reason to the one who uses wisdom as scripture tells us.

2. People who love God’s word can be serious and they can relax and have fun. There’s no reason to be uptight in it. But my response was based on your idea it revolves around 6,000 years which is not what scripture suggests. That left field comment will be met with skepticism and rebuke because it is not an opinion based upon an idea. You completely changed what scripture says to fit some preconceived idea.

3. Adding your numbers does not 666. It equals 6,012.
600, 60 and 6 666.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Adam was placed in the Garden, and the Garden was planted after the Sabbath Day of rest.

Again, you’re deflecting and dodging. More flip flops than a Florida beach.

 

[Phoneman777]

the law is one law; all of it was commanded by God to Moses.

Oh, there's no difference between God's law and the Mosaic law, right?

>Is that why the stone tables God wrote were placed inside the Ark, while the Mosaic scrolls were outside - because they're the same?

>Is that why Daniel 9:11 KJV differentiates between God's law and the Mosaic law - because they're the same?

>Is that why 1 Kings 21:8 KJV differentiates between God's law and the Mosaic law - because they're the same?

>Is that why Romans 7:12 KJV says the Ten Commandments as "holy, just, and good" while Hebrews 7:16 KJV refers to the Mosaic priesthood law as "carnal" - because they're the same?

>Is that why Galatians 3:19 KJV says the Mosaic Law was "added" to the previously existing, transgressed Ten Commandments "until the Seed should come" - because they're the same?

>Is that why Galatians 3:17 KJV says a "covenant" law existed before the Mosaic law was "added" four hundred and thirty years later - because they're the same law?

>Is that why Colossians 2:16 KJV says the Mosaic Law which contained "shadows of things to come" like the yearly "shadow" sabbath Feast Days was nailed to the Cross but Psalms 111:7-8 KJV says the words God wrote which included the weekly Sabbath memorial to God's work of Creation which He completed "stand fast forever and ever" because you can't nail stone to anything - because they're the same law?

>Is that why it will always be wrong to kill, steal or break any of the Ten Commandments, but will never again be wrong to disregard Mosaic laws like Passover and circumcision - because they're the same law?

I could continue - not to convince an unbeliever like yourself - but to give those reading your lies the opportunity to hear the truth.

 

[post]

No, what's well known is that cowardly liberal OSAS pseudo-scholars have overrun Christianity, bringing with them their flawed translations like this one you seem to adore. Billy Graham and Oral Roberts and many others agree with Lamsa's translation and these men are from a time before Christianity was overrun with these OSAS License to Sin advocates who seek to hide the truth. You should stop rebelling against the commandments of God, because only those who keep them "have right to the Tree of Life and may enter into the gates to the city".

clearly you are wrong, Billy Graham is wrong, and Oral Roberts is wrong.

the names of famous men do not add any weight or even any substance to your arguments.

i have given you the truth, and you do as you will with it.

 

[Phoneman777]

clearly you are wrong, Billy Graham is wrong, and Oral Roberts is wrong.

the names of famous men do not add any weight or even any substance to your arguments.

i have given you the truth, and you do as you will with it.

At least I provided names, while you post nameless, faceless OSAS philosophical cowards who actively fight against the truth.

 

[post]

When it comes to the Rich Man and Lazarus, the Bible is the only instrument necessary to measure how high your doctrines sit atop what Luther referred to as the "Roman dunghill of decretals".

the Bible says that all are living to God.

you, like all atheists, say everyone ceases to exist.

guess who is wrong, you or God?

 

[post]

At least I provided names, while you post nameless, faceless OSAS cowards who actively fight against the truth.

JESUS OF NAZARETH

 

[post]

Oh, there's no difference between God's law and the Mosaic law, right?

His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His judgments, and His testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses
(1 Kings 2:3)​

does it never occur to you as blasphemous that you debase Moses as wickedly adding to scripture, all in order to slanderously accuse the children of God over ceremonial inactivity in the flesh, for the express purpose of destroying their faith in the salvation which Christ Jesus worked for all who believe?

you're amazing. a real piece of work.
thank you for 'spicing up my life' -- it has really helped me to recognize the utter degradation of humanity. sincerely :)

 

[Phoneman777]

the Bible says that all are living to God.

you, like all atheists, say everyone ceases to exist.
guess who is wrong, you or God?

You, like all Jesuits, teach innate immortality of the soul. But, Romans 2:7 KJV teaches those down here who "seek for immortality" up there will be granted it.

Of course, how can I expect you to understand weightier matters of Scripture like the law, prophecy, salvation, etc., when you can't see that a man doesn't need to seek for his wallet if it's already in his pocket?

 

[Phoneman777]

JESUS OF NAZARETH

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" -- which is what people who pervert His teachings do.

 

[post]

You, like all Jesuits, teach innate immortality of the soul. But, Romans 2:7 KJV teaches those down here who "seek for immortality" up there will be granted it.

Of course, how can I expect you to understand weightier matters of Scripture like the law, prophecy, salvation, etc., when you can't see that a man doesn't need to seek for his wallet if it's already in his pocket?

JESUS OF NAZARETH says the weightier matters are justice and mercy.

i don't need to look for my salvation; it's in His pocket.

in a thousand years maybe you can let me know how trusting in your own works and willpower turns out, OK?
i'm keenly interested to see the crown you receive for constantly slanderously accusing the children of God, and continuously seeking to destroy the sure hope we have in the God of our Salvation.

is that two separate crowns, or just one?
i am sure you will keep it/them rather than casting it/them at His feet, so tell you what -- we'll meet at your mansion? i'll knock 8 times so you know it's me.

see ya then!

 

[post]

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" -- which is what people who pervert His teachings do.

seeing that i proclaim His power and grace while you proclaim your willpower and personal effort, i think i am not the one unashamedly speaking His name in vain.

;)

 

[Phoneman777]

His ways, to keep His statutes, His commandments, His judgments, and His testimonies, as it is written in the Law of Moses
(1 Kings 2:3)​

​

Cherry picking at it's finest.

Even a fool knows God is the ultimate author of all Biblical law, but He has put a difference between what He didn't trust a man alone to write with what He entrusted Moses to write -- so that the holy, just, eternal nature of the one should stand above the shadowy, temporary, carnal nature of the other.

does it never occur to you as blasphemous that you debase Moses as wickedly adding to scripture, all in order to slanderously accuse the children of God over ceremonial inactivity in the flesh, for the express purpose of destroying their faith in the salvation which Christ Jesus worked for all who believe?

Since the sum total of this is merely opinionated drivel, I'll just ignore it.

you're amazing. a real piece of work. thank you for 'spicing up my life' -- it has really helped me to recognize the utter degradation of humanity. sincerely :)

Is such nastiness really necessary? I realize you have nothing to fear, seeing that Conservative moderators will simply roll their eyes at such childish disrespect while liberal moderators with their inherit liberal bias will blind themselves to your words while running search and destroy missions against Conservatives all day long - but, again, is it really necessary to be so unChristlike?

 

[Phoneman777]

JESUS OF NAZARETH says the weightier matters are justice and mercy.

i don't need to look for my salvation; it's in His pocket.

in a thousand years maybe you can let me know how trusting in your own works and willpower turns out, OK?
i'm keenly interested to see the crown you receive for constantly slanderously accusing the children of God, and continuously seeking to destroy the sure hope we have in the God of our Salvation.

is that two separate crowns, or just one?
i am sure you will keep it/them rather than casting it/them at His feet, so tell you what -- we'll meet at your mansion? i'll knock 8 times so you know it's me.

see ya then!

Debating with you is like dealing with the kid in the airsoft arena who never admits to being hit and disqualified.

 

[Phoneman777]

seeing that i proclaim His power and grace while you proclaim your willpower and personal effort, i think i am not the one unashamedly speaking His name in vain.

;)

You can't continue to teach the lie of "innate immortality of the soul" after you've been shown Romans 2:7 KJV teaches that immortality is granted only to those who seek for it - and still claim to preach in the name of Jesus Who is the "truth".

 

[post]

Is such nastiness really necessary? I realize you have nothing to fear, seeing that Conservative moderators will simply roll their eyes at such childish disrespect while liberal moderators with their inherit liberal bias will blind themselves to your words while running search and destroy missions against Conservatives all day long - but, again, is it really necessary to be so unChristlike?

i don't think you should be disrespecting the moderators since this heresy-friendly-board is the only Christian forum left on the internet that allows you to go on talking.

while on the other hand i am welcome everywhere

what does the evidence say, hmm?
self-examine much?

 

[post]

You can't continue to teach the lie of "innate immortality of the soul" after you've been shown Romans 2:7 KJV teaches that immortality is granted only to those who seek for it - and still claim to preach in the name of Jesus Who is the "truth".

but you teach even Jesus is annihilated. exactly as the atheists teach.

so much for Romans 2:7 according to your private doctrines.

why doesn't self-contradiction bother you?
is it because you don't even see it? or because you don't even care?

and what is this "KJV" you put there?? i thought you were a Lamsa cultist?
it depends on whatever supports your private doctrine?
sell your loyalty pretty quickly, eh?
one day you are KJV, the next SDA, after that you are preaching JW, then you are just occult..

you are so interesting!
i look forward to you one day becoming a Christian!

 

[post]

Romans 2:7 KJV

as has been pointed out innumerable times before,

"the problem with Romans is that it doesn't end at chapter 2!"

get yourself some understanding of the context one day and maybe we can talk.
you know, read chapter 3 for example. lol.

as i said, i'll knock 8 times at your door and you can show me the crown you get for all your grand efforts at becoming the "accuser of the brethren"
i'm quite interested, sincerely
sure it's very impressive.

 

[post]

against Conservatives

fool yourself all you want, but salvation through by grace through faith so that no one can boast is the actual conservative view.
it's the actual scriptural view.
it's the actual truth, hate it as you may.

works-salvation through Judaizing mockery of self-willed ceremonial sabbath "so-called-observation" ((not at all according to the law, as tho you even begin to keep it)) is a purely modern, 19th century Ellen-Whiteism invention. check the history. read the church fathers. you're way out on a limb and literally no one who wasn't already indoctrinated on the whole Christian internet accepts you -- which ought to by all rights give you pause, but surprisingly, it doesn't
in fact you complain that our elders accept my actual Christianity instead of your blatant heresy.
amazing! wow you are quite the character!

i've hardly ever met someone so vain, since that famous COC heretic i drove away with scripture years ago! you're amazing. thanks again. enjoy your 15 minutes!! i'm grateful for your pseudo-attention, as in all things. you honor me with the opportunity to be able to refute over and over and over and over and over and over on several websites someone so peculiarly obsessed with attacking Christians.

i am undeserving of such an honor, yet God grants it to me. praise God for His infinite mercy and everlasting lovingkindness!!

that's 100% sincere -- you are very special
most humans are nowhere near as... well let's just keep it at "special" =]

love you

 

[Timtofly]

So why your references to 1948 Israel and the blooming fig tree?

The topic is the pre-trib rapture.

The first event prior to the pre-trib rapture.