The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

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covenantee

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"expatriates of dispersion" would be the literal translation. "Diasporas" where we get the transliterated Diaspora. I think "expatriates" is a good understanding of "parepidemois", foreigners who live in alongside the residents of another land. This can give you some info on the Diaspora:


So I'm looking at this, it's saying Peter addressed his letter to those who have been scattered to live alongside foreigners. Not that these are the gentile inhabitants of those lands. Though to be sure we learn and receive from this part of the Bible as we do all the rest. But lets not obscure who it was addressed to. And let's not obscure the parts that align with what God said previously to that same people.

And let's not appropriate it for someone to whom it was not written.

Much love!
The dispersion was that of Israelites, who as I've previously demonstrated from Scripture, were comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.
 

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The dispersion was that of Israelites, who as I've previously demonstrated from Scripture, were comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.
Do you mean the "strangers within your borders"? That they are to treat them the same, and so forth? The very statement maintains a distinction, in fact. It's perhaps the opposite of "expatriates".

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There is no contradiction for me with OT prophecy being fulfilled spiritually in Christ.
Please show me the spiritual fulfillment of those prophecies. I'm interested what you will answer.

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So even in the mixed multitude these distinctions are maintained.
There was absolutely no covenantal difference between strangers and "non-strangers" within Israel.

Faith and obedience were God's covenant conditions for all, and when strangers complied in faith and obedience with those conditions, their covenant blessings and rewards were identical to those of "non-strangers", as the Scriptures declare.

Exodus 12:48
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.
 

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Why did God choose Abraham?
Let me think a bit to see if I can think of a passage that says what God's reason was. None come to mind right away, but then I'm not at my tip top right now either. LOL! When am I these days?!

I'm assuming you mean, Why did God choose Abraham and not someone else? Is that right? Your question could reflect on "why did God select someone?" But I'm thinking you don't mean it that way.

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You don't understand what being in Christ means??

Say it ain't so!!
What a cop out!! You make this a way to just erase vast swaths of the Bible by your fiat.

This just becomes less and less meaningful.

OK.

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Let me think a bit to see if I can think of a passage that says what God's reason was. None come to mind right away, but then I'm not at my tip top right now either. LOL! When am I these days?!

I'm assuming you mean, Why did God choose Abraham and not someone else? Is that right? Your question could reflect on "why did God select someone?" But I'm thinking you don't mean it that way.

Much love!
Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Faith and obedience.

Use 'em or lose 'em.

Can't elude 'em.
 

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Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
One law, yes, love him like thyself, for you also were strangers in Egypt.

He's saying here, You were strangers yourself in Egypt, IE, foreigners there, still your own people, but living in their land. You were in another people's land once, so when other people are in your land, you treat them As If They Are One Of You.

This passage shows the distinction that is maintained, even in their being treated the same, still they are called strangers, and compared to being strangers in Egypt. They were not counted Egyptians, the distinction was maintained throughout their stay, and was what led to their affliction and final expulsion.

God is saying when others are in your land, you treat them right, like one of you. God is not saying, Oh and I forgot . . . who are Abraham's children whom I promised?

I imagine there has been some mixed marriage. And I imagine God knows whom He will return to the promised land when He comes to rescue them.

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Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Faith and obedience.

Use 'em or lose 'em.

Can't elude 'em.
That was Abraham's response to God, though, and these passages don't actually say Why God chose Abraham. Only that after God had in fact chosen Abraham, that Abraham believed, and obeyed, the proof that he believed.

Are you thinking that it was God's foreknowledge of Abraham's response? I think there are those who would answer that way.

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What a cop out!! You make this a way to just erase vast swaths of the Bible by your fiat.

This just becomes less and less meaningful.

OK.

Much love!
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Is that alien Scripture to you?
 

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One law, yes, love him like thyself, for you also were strangers in Egypt.

He's saying here, You were strangers yourself in Egypt, IE, foreigners there, still your own people, but living in their land. You were in another people's land once, so when other people are in your land, you treat them As If They Are One Of You.

This passage shows the distinction that is maintained, even in their being treated the same, still they are called strangers, and compared to being strangers in Egypt. They were not counted Egyptians, the distinction was maintained throughout their stay, and was what led to their affliction and final expulsion.

God is saying when others are in your land, you treat them right, like one of you. God is not saying, Oh and I forgot . . . who are Abraham's children whom I promised?

I imagine there has been some mixed marriage. And I imagine God knows whom He will return to the promised land when He comes to rescue them.

Much love!
In the face of Scripture declaring that there was no covenantal distinction between the home born and strangers, you deny and reject it.

Classic dispensational racism.

God is not a racist.

Despite your desperate attempts to contort Him into one.
 

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Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Is that alien Scripture to you?
Of course not. Why do you speak this way?

Now show me how you believe this passage answers to this one:

Ezekiel 39:25-29 KJV
25) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26) After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

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That was Abraham's response to God, though, and these passages don't actually say Why God chose Abraham. Only that after God had in fact chosen Abraham, that Abraham believed, and obeyed, the proof that he believed.

Are you thinking that it was God's foreknowledge of Abraham's response? I think there are those who would answer that way.

Much love!
If Abraham had chosen to not believe and obey, would God have continued to choose him?

Or would He have moved on to someone else who would believe and obey?
 

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In the face of Scripture declaring that there was no covenantal distinction between the home born and strangers, you deny and reject it.
Covenantal distinction? Yes, they can be circumcised, and can keep the feast. They are counted under one Law, just like a native born Israelite. The foreigner in Israel, and the native born Israelite, are both under the same Law. Both of them. Two. Two different ones.

In Christ the two are made into "one new man". Not, the others are added into this first man, rather, both are made into a new man.

However, there is nothing to that which somehow negates God's promise to Abraham and his children, given over and over throughout Scripture.

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If Abraham had chosen to not believe and obey, would God have continued to choose him?

Or would He have moved on to someone else who would believe and obey?
Continued to choose him? You asked, why did God choose Abraham.

What is your answer?

Much love!