The mark of the Man/beast

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I believe the prophets and apostles understood this mystery, thats why I quoted from their writings. What I have written is just an understanding into what they had already written. It has just been hidden for thousands of years from the minds of men.

It was a sweet blessing to receive the understanding in it by the Holy Spirit, but it has been a bitter burden to share because no one is able to receive it.
So as you reveal a unique and brand new meaning to what teh prophets wrote, you are saying that for the nearly 2 millennia the church has existed, no one was found God could give this secret definition fo the prophecies to?
 

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So as you reveal a unique and brand new meaning to what teh prophets wrote, you are saying that for the nearly 2 millennia the church has existed, no one was found God could give this secret definition fo the prophecies to?
The meaning of the mark has always been the same, as I showed in my OP by the words of God. But understanding into the many mysteries found in God’s words can only be revealed to men by the Spirit of God.

God is the one who chooses to whom He will reveal these mysteries.

1 Corinthians 2:10
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
 

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Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Those were the parables and not the clear easy to understand words of the prophets.

  1. 2 Peter 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecyof the scripture is of any private interpretation.
  2. 2 Peter 1:21
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God did not give his prophets words that were not meaning what He said. god has never spoken to his children in mysteries to hide the truth from them. You are wrong.
The meaning of the mark has always been the same, as I showed in my OP by the words of God. But understanding into the many mysteries found in God’s words can only be revealed to men by the Spirit of God.

God is the one who chooses to whom He will reveal these mysteries.
Sorry but you mismatch verses to defend your own opinion. and He did reveal the mytery-to teh Apostle John.

The mark is not sin- but a specific imprint, stamp, tattoo or brand that people will take to showe their obedience to the man we call teh antichrist! You will fin dout these revelations you have received are not of God- like legions of others who have gone on before you who have made the same claims have found out. Many the hard way.
 

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Those were the parables and not the clear easy to understand words of the prophets.

  1. 2 Peter 1:20
    Knowing this first, that no prophecyof the scripture is of any private interpretation.
  2. 2 Peter 1:21
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God did not give his prophets words that were not meaning what He said. god has never spoken to his children in mysteries to hide the truth from them. You are wrong.

Sorry but you mismatch verses to defend your own opinion. and He did reveal the mytery-to teh Apostle John.

The mark is not sin- but a specific imprint, stamp, tattoo or brand that people will take to showe their obedience to the man we call teh antichrist! You will fin dout these revelations you have received are not of God- like legions of others who have gone on before you who have made the same claims have found out. Many the hard way.

Matthew 13:11-15

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11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Even so it is today
 

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I believe the prophets and apostles understood this mystery, thats why I quoted from their writings. What I have written is just an understanding into what they had already written. It has just been hidden for thousands of years from the minds of men.

It was a sweet blessing to receive the understanding in it by the Holy Spirit, but it has been a bitter burden to share because no one is able to receive it.
Look at you and your holier than thou attitude. Unbelievable. No wonder you won't accept that your premillennialist doctrine is false. You are too arrogant to see it. You have been revealed some truths that you foolishly think only you understand. You may have seen that I have agreed with a few things you have said like your understanding of two tribulations in the Olivet Discourse and that the mark of the beast is spiritual and not physical and such. But, you have more to learn and do not have a monopoly on the truth. Your mind has been puffed up by what has been revealed to you when you should be humbled by it instead. You need to humble yourself before you take a major fall.
 
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No wonder you won't accept that your premillennialist doctrine is false. You are too arrogant to see it. You have been revealed some truths that you foolishly think only you understand. You may have seen that I have agreed with a few things you have said like your understanding of two tribulations in the Olivet Discourse and that the mark of the beast is spiritual and not physical and such. But, you have more to learn and do not have a monopoly on the truth. Your mind has been puffed up by what has been revealed to you when you should be humbled by it instead. You need to humble yourself before you take a major fall.
I don’t follow the doctrines of men, as I was not taught by men, but by Christ. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
 

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I don’t follow the doctrines of men, as I was not taught by men, but by Christ.
Same here. But, somehow you are superior to me despite the FACT that I also don't follow men's doctrines? I reject many of the doctrines that the church I grew up in held to and I've never been to seminary or anything like that.

I don’t follow the doctrines of men, as I was not taught by men, but by Christ. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
So, if you would just humble yourself, you will find that Amillennialism is true. Your embarrassing interpretation of John 12:48 where you say that it's talking about the judgment of saints when it's clearly talking about the judgment of those who reject Christ reveals your doctrinal bias in that area. I think you have a very good understanding of things in some other areas, but I can tell you have never studied Revelation 20 in depth before. You didn't even know what Amil was until recently. Why not give it an honest chance before rejecting it?

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Yes, that is true. I look at things exactly like you do and I think that's why we do agree on some things that many people disagree with us about, such as our shared understanding of the Olivet Discourse, the mark of the beast and Mystery Babylon. But, we disagree on Revelation 20. Clearly, just studying for ourselves and not going by the doctrines of men alone doesn't guarantee we have the correct belief when it comes to Revelation 20.
 
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Same here. But, somehow you are superior to me despite the FACT that I also don't follow men's doctrines? I reject many of the doctrines that the church I grew up in held to and I've never been to seminary or anything like that.


So, if you would just humble yourself, you will find that Amillennialism is true. Your embarrassing interpretation of John 12:48 where you say that it's talking about the judgment of saints when it's clearly talking about the judgment of those who reject Christ reveals your doctrinal bias in that area. I think you have a very good understanding of things in some other areas, but I can tell you have never studied Revelation 20 in depth before. You didn't even know what Amil was until recently. Why not give it an honest chance before rejecting it?


Yes, that is true. I look at things exactly like you do and I think that's why we do agree on some things that many people disagree with us about, such as our shared understanding of the Olivet Discourse, the mark of the beast and Mystery Babylon. But, we disagree on Revelation 20. Clearly, just studying for ourselves and not going by the doctrines of men alone doesn't guarantee we have the correct belief when it comes to Revelation 20.
I don’t remember saying I was superior to anyone. People get offended if I say I have been taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit. But this IS the way the elect of God are taught.

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

If everyone were taught by Christ, then we all would be of One mind and would be speaking the same things. If any man does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
 

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I don’t remember saying I was superior to anyone. People get offended if I say I have been taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit. But this IS the way the elect of God are taught.
I agree with that and I believe that about myself as well, and yet we still disagree on some things even though we do agree on things that many disagree with us about (interpretation of the Olivet Discourse, mark of the beast, Mystery Babylon, etc.). So, there is really no need to point out that you are taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit since most of us here believe that about ourselves. To point that out gives the impression that you think you are taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit but everyone else is not. That just comes across as you saying you are superior to everyone whether you realize it or not. It's just unnecessary and not helpful to say that all the time the way you do.
 

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I agree with that and I believe that about myself as well, and yet we still disagree on some things even though we do agree on things that many disagree with us about (interpretation of the Olivet Discourse, mark of the beast, Mystery Babylon, etc.). So, there is really no need to point out that you are taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit since most of us here believe that about ourselves. To point that out gives the impression that you think you are taught by Christ via the Holy Spirit but everyone else is not. That just comes across as you saying you are superior to everyone whether you realize it or not. It's just unnecessary and not helpful to say that all the time the way you do.
There are alot of people who call themselves Christian’s who believe they have been anointed by the Holy Spirit but they have not. We are told to try the spirits to see if they are of Gods Spirit or not. One way to tell is to see if they agree with and speak the Truth in Christ.

I have found in my travels there are alot of people who do not speak the Truth by the Spirit, nor are they able to hear it. I believe the falling away from the faith prophecy is in full swing.
 

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There are alot of people who call themselves Christian’s who believe they have been anointed by the Holy Spirit but they have not.
Yes, that's for sure.

We are told to try the spirits to see if they are of Gods Spirit or not. One way to tell is to see if they agree with and speak the Truth in Christ.
So, think about this then. You falsely related the following verse to me at one point:

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You said I have "the spirit of error", which is another term for "that spirit of antichrist" that John referenced a few verses earlier. This verse says those with "the spirit of error" are "not of God". Not Christians, in other words. Do you think that I am "not of God" just because I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20 even though I do agree with your interpretations of things like the Olivet Discourse, the mark of the beast and "Mystery Babylon"? Are we to determine whether someone is a Christian or not based on whether they are Amil or Premil? I'd like to see the scripture which teaches that. It doesn't exist, of course. So, why do you act as if anyone who doesn't completely agree with everything you believe about end times doctrine must not be a Christian? That's just silly and obviously not true.

I have found in my travels there are alot of people who do not speak the Truth by the Spirit, nor are they able to hear it. I believe the falling away from the faith prophecy is in full swing.
I agree with this, but do you associate that with someone like me who actually agrees with you on a lot of things but disagrees on a few things related to end times doctrine? It's not as if I'm saying I don't believe in Christ's death and resurrection and don't put my trust in Him as my Lord and Savior, so why are you defining whether someone is a Christian or not in a different way than scripture itself does?
 

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You falsely related the following verse to me at one point:

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You said I have "the spirit of error", which is another term for "that spirit of antichrist" that John referenced a few verses earlier. This verse says those with "the spirit of error" are "not of God". Not Christians, in other words. Do you think that I am "not of God" just because I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20 even though I do agree with your interpretations of things like the Olivet Discourse, the mark of the beast and "Mystery Babylon"? Are we to determine whether someone is a Christian or not based on whether they are Amil or Premil? I'd like to see the scripture which teaches that. It doesn't exist, of course. So, why do you act as if anyone who doesn't completely agree with everything you believe about end times doctrine must not be a Christian? That's just silly and obviously not true.


I agree with this, but do you associate that with someone like me who actually agrees with you on a lot of things but disagrees on a few things related to end times doctrine? It's not as if I'm saying I don't believe in Christ's death and resurrection and don't put my trust in Him as my Lord and Savior, so why are you defining whether someone is a Christian or not in a different way than scripture itself does?
I said that to you because you are not hearing the Truth in what the words of God are saying about the saints of God reigning on earth with Christ for a thousand years.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 

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Matthew 13:11-15​

King James Version​

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Even so it is today
No it is not today.

Once again teh parables were given to hide the truth from th eunsaved. God reveals His truth to the saved, and that truth will not contradict or redfine His inspired Word!

2 Peter 1:19-21

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19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Be careful you do not become guilty of this:

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
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I said that to you because you are not hearing the Truth in what the words of God are saying about the saints of God reigning on earth with Christ for a thousand years.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Don't apply a verse to me that applies to those whose father is the devil (John 8:44), are "not of God" and are not Christians! You are basically accusing me of not being a Christian just because I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20. Are you kidding me? YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE!

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
 

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Don't apply a verse to me that applies to those whose father is the devil (John 8:44), are "not of God" and are not Christians! You are basically accusing me of not being a Christian just because I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20. Are you kidding me? YOU ARE WAY OUT OF LINE!

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
 

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1 Corinthians 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Matthew 7:1-2 is about condemning people, as you are doing by saying that Amils are not of God. It's not talking about judging in the same context as that verse which has to do with discerning truth and not condemning people to hell. You're not even trying to look at scripture in context. You're interpreting it in a carnal way like "the natural man" does. I know you don't always do that, so why now? You see the word "judge" and think it means the same thing every time. The Bible wasn't written in English. Put forth some effort to see what the Greek words mean and be careful to look at the context.
 
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Matthew 7:1-2 is about condemning people, as you are doing by saying that Amils are not of God. It's not talking about judging in the same context as that verse which has to do with discerning truth and not condemning people to hell. You're not even trying to look at scripture in context. You're interpreting it in a carnal way like "the natural man" does. I know you don't always do that, so why now? You see the word "judge" and think it means the same thing every time. The bible wasn't written in English. Put forth some effort to see what the Greek words mean and be careful to look at the context.
Those who do not believe are condemned already.
 

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Those who do not believe are condemned already.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Are you applying this verse to me? Are you saying you think I don't believe in Jesus?
 

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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Are you applying this verse to me? Are you saying you think I don't believe in Jesus?
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
 

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Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God
May God have mercy on your soul for your arrogant holier than thou attitude and for condemning people just for (supposedly) misinterpreting an end times Bible passage.

Matthew 7:1 (AMP): Do not judge and criticize and condemn [others unfairly with an attitude of self-righteous superiority as though assuming the office of a judge], so that you will not be judged [unfairly]. 2 For just as you [hypocritically] judge others [when you are sinful and unrepentant], so will you be judged; and in accordance with your standard of measure [used to pass out judgment], judgment will be measured to you.
 
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