The Israel Of God Is The Church

[Truth7t7]

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[Earburner]

I agree!

 

[Curtis]

Replacement theology, that claims that the church has replaced national Israel, is false.


Paul absolutely destroys the claim God has rejected and is done with the nation of The Israel:


Rom 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

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In Romans 11, Paul not only says God is not through with the nation of Israel, he wrote that gentiles who believe (the church) are GRAFTED IN to their new covenant, by faith.


In other words, the church has no covenant - the HOUSE of Israel has the new covenant - and if Christians become spiritual Israel, it’s only after being grafted in as a wild Olive Branch among the natural Olive Branches to the Olive tree of Israel, and not because they replaced the HOUSE of Israel.


Rom 11:17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Rom 11:24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree:how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Jesus was sent in the beginning only to the HOUSE of Israel, and told the apostles He sent out, to go not into any gentile city, but only to the Jews, and Jesus identities the National Jewish people as the HOUSE of Israel


Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into anycity of the Samaritans enter ye not:


Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the HOUSE of Israel.


Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


And the new covenant is to be with the HOUSE of Israel - with national Jews, not with so-called spiritual Jews:


Hebrews 8:7For if that first covenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEW covenant with the HOUSE of Israel and with the house of Judah:


BTW, Hebrews 9says the Jeremiah 31new covenant with the HOUSE of Israel, took effect at Jesus’ death.


And the bones Ezekiel saw come to life is the HOUSE OF Israel:


Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole HOUSE of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.


More proof it’s the dry bones coming to life is about the rebirth of the nation of Israel is found on the same page:


Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL


Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,


Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,and performed it,saith the LORD.


BTW the dry bones of the House of Israel came to life in 1948 when Israel became a nation again, in 1948.


It’s not spiritual Israel Jesus comes to when He returns to Mount Olive in Zechariah 14:5, and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then reigns forever from Jerusalem on the throne of David.


It’s not any so called spiritual Israel that god gathers from all over the world, back to the land God dispersed them from.


If the church has replaced Israel, then Romans 11is nonsensically saying that salvation has come to the gentile church, to make the gentile church jealous:


Rom 11:11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


If Christians are now Israel, then since most of Israel is in unbelief and ungodly until they see ‘ the deliver come out of Zion’, then the church is ungodly and in unbelief until the return of Jesus, and He turns them away from ungodliness. Per Romans 11.


And it’s not so called spiritual Israel that is in the new covenant Jesus now mediates, that took effect at His death per Hebrews 9, but the promised new covenant with the HOUSE of Israel and the HOUSE of Judah, per Jeremiah 31.


Hebrews 8, 9, and 10 make it very clear that the Jeremiah 31new covenant is the one that took effect when Jesus died, and Romans 11makes it very clear that salvation only came to us gentiles to make Israel jealous, and that we are the wild Olive tree branches that are grafted in among the natural branches to the Israel olive tree, with Jesus as the roots of the tree. (Their covenant).


Thus we are not so-called spiritual Israel, and have not replaced the natural branches, nor is there a church covenant, but only a House of Israel and House of Judah new covenant that we gentiles are joined to by faith.


God dispersed and punished Israel for their sins several times, but always said the punishment was not permanent, and that their final destiny will be to be brought back to their land, and God will remain with them, not for their sake , BUT FOR HIS:


The word of the LORD came to me:


Eze 36:17“Son of man, when the HOUSE of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity.


Eze 36:18So I poured out my wrath upon them for the blood that they had shed in the land, for the idols with which they had defiled it.


Eze 36:19I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them.


Eze 36:20But when they came to the nations, wherever they came, they profaned my holy name, in that people said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, and yet they had to go out of his land.’


Eze 36:21 But I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they came.


Ezekiel 36:22“Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came.


Eze 36:23And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name,which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.


Eze 36:24I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.


Eze 36:25I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.


Eze 36:26And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.


Eze 36:27And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.


Eze 36:28You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Replacement theology is just plain wrong.

 

[Truth7t7]

Replacement theology, that claims that the church has replaced national Israel, is false.


Paul absolutely destroys the claim God has rejected and is done with the nation of The Israel:


Rom 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his peoplewhich he foreknew.

.

In Romans 11, Paul not only says God is not through with the nation of Israel, he wrote that gentiles who believe (the church) are GRAFTED IN to their new covenant, by faith.


In other words, the church has no covenant - National Israel has the new covenant - and if Christians become spiritual Israel, it’s only because of being grafted in as a wild Olive Branch among the natural Olive Branches to the Olive tree of Israel, and not because they replaced national Israel.


Rom 11:17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Rom 11:24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree:how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Jesus was sent in the beginning only to national Israel, and told the apostles He sent out, to go not into any gentile city, but only to the Jews, and Jesus identities the National Jewish people as the HOUSE of Israel


Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into anycity of the Samaritans enter ye not:


Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the HOUSE of Israel.


Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


And the new covenant is to be with the HOUSE of Israel - with national Jews, not with so-called spiritual Jews:


Hebrews 8:7For if that first covenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEW covenant with the HOUSE of Israel and with the house of Judah:


BTW, Hebrews 9says the Jeremiah 31new covenant with the HOUSE of Israel, took effect at Jesus’ death.


I said all that to prove that the bones Ezekiel saw come to life is the nation Israel:


Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole HOUSE of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.


More proof it’s the dry bones coming to life is about the rebirth of the nation of Israel is found on the same page:


Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL


Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,


Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, AND I SHALL PLACE YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,and performed it,saith the LORD.


BTW the dry bones of the House of Israel came to life in 1948 when Israel became a nation again, in 1948.


It’s not spiritual Israel Jesus comes to when He returns to Mount Olive in Zechariah 14:5, and saves Jerusalem from destruction, then reigns forever from Jerusalem on the throne of David.


It’s not any so called spiritual Israel that god gathers from all over the world, back to the land God dispersed them from.


If the church has replaced Israel, then Romans 11is nonsensically saying that salvation has come to the gentile church, to make the gentile church jealous:


Rom 11:11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


If Christians are now Israel, then since most of Israel is in unbelief and ungodly until they see ‘ the deliver come out of Zion’, then the church is ungodly and in unbelief until the return of Jesus, and He turns them away from ungodliness. Per Romans 11.


And it’s not so called spiritual Israel that is in the new covenant Jesus now mediates, that took effect at His death per Hebrews 9, but the promised new covenant with the HOUSE of Israel and the HOUSE of Judah, per Jeremiah 31.


Hebrews 8, 9, and 10 make it very clear that the Jeremiah 31new covenant is the one that took effect when Jesus died, and Romans 11makes it very clear that salvation only came to us gentiles to make Israel jealous, and that we are the wild Olive tree branches that are grafted in among the natural branches to the Israel olive tree, with Jesus as the roots of the tree. (Their covenant).


Thus we are not so-called spiritual Israel, and have not replaced the natural branches, nor is there a church covenant, but only a House of Israel and House of Judah new covenant that we gentiles are joined to by faith.


God dispersed and punished Israel for their sins several times, but always said the punishment was not permanent, and that their final destiny will be to be brought back to their land, and God will remain with them, not for their sake , BUT FOR HIS:


The word of the LORD came to me:


Eze 36:17“Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity.


Eze 36:18So I poured out my wrath upon them for the blood that they had shed in the land, for the idols with which they had defiled it.


Eze 36:19I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them.


Eze 36:20But when they came to the nations, wherever they came, they profaned my holy name, in that people said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, and yet they had to go out of his land.’


Eze 36:21But I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they came.


Ezekiel 36:22“Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came.


Eze 36:23And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name,which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.


Eze 36:24I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.


Eze 36:25I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you.


Eze 36:26And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.


Eze 36:27And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.


Eze 36:28You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the church on earth, the rest of the Jews are blinded to salvation

Romans 11:2 & 7-8KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

 

[Enoch111]

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

No unbelievers are children of God. That does not cancel the fact that after the second coming of Christ large number of Jews will become children of God, and even during the Tribulation, many will be saved. So don't try and skew things for the sake of your faulty theological. Start with Romans 11, and then do a serious Bible study. Also using the word "flesh" means nothing in this context.

 

[Curtis]

Only the Remnant Elect Jew will be saved and added to the church on earth, the rest of the Jews are blinded to salvation

Romans 11:2 & 7-8KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; ) unto this day.

Try reading ALL of Romans 11:

Rom 11:11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.

Rom 11:12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!


Rom 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be IGNORANT of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

The fact that only a relatively few Jews currently believe and are therefore in their own Jeremiah 31 new covenant Jesus brought them, in no way negates anything I wrote, which you obviously didn’t even read, or you’d know by the time your read what God says in Ezekiel 37, that replacement theology is bogus.

When Jesus returns and in Zechariah 14, and they see Him, their deliverer, coming out of Zion (where He’s saved Jerusalem from destruction at His return in verse 5) they will ALL realize Hes their Messiah, and all of Israel alive to see that, will be saved, and ungodliness will be removed from Jacob.

I can only post the relevant scriptures, which completely falsifies replacement theology - I can’t make you actually READ them.

 

[Truth7t7]

No unbelievers are children of God. That does not cancel the fact that after the second coming of Christ large number of Jews will become children of God, and even during the Tribulation, many will be saved. So don't try and skew things for the sake of your faulty theological. Start with Romans 11, and then do a serious Bible study. Also using the word "flesh" means nothing in this context.

You respond 12 minutes after post #4 above, as if it's non-existent, your claims have been answered, only the Remnant Elect will be saved and added to the church on earth

 

[Truth7t7]

Try reading ALL of Romans 11:

Rom 11:11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.

Rom 11:12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!


Rom 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be IGNORANT of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

The fact that only a relatively few Jews currently believe and are therefore in their own Jeremiah 31 new covenant Jesus brought them, in no way negates anything I wrote, which you obviously didn’t even read, or you’d know by the time your read what God says in Ezekiel 37, that replacement theology is bogus.

When Jesus returns and in Zechariah 14, and they see Him, their deliverer, coming out of Zion (where He’s saved Jerusalem from destruction at His return in verse 5) they will ALL realize Hes their Messiah, and all of Israel alive to see that, will be saved, and ungodliness will be removed from Jacob.

I can only post the relevant scriptures, which completely falsifies replacement theology - I can’t make you actually READ them.

Only the Remnant elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church on earth

All Israel will be saved, when the last believer is saved and added to the Church, the Israel of God

 

[Hidden In Him]

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Not so, Truth.

The word "nation" here is the Greek word ethnos, and sometimes is simply translated "people." This is the proper translation here in context, because Jesus was talking about the spiritual leadership of the people of God being taken from the Pharisees and given over into the hands of the apostles and leaders of the early church. If you do not think so, then tell me who the vineyard is in this parable:

The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not so, Truth.

The word "nation" here is the Greek word ethnos, and sometimes is simply translated "people." This is the proper translation here in context, because Jesus was talking about the spiritual leadership of the people of God being taken from the Pharisees and given over into the hands of the apostles and leaders of the early church. If you do not think so, then tell me who the vineyard is in this parable:

The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

We Disagree, the Church is the Holy Nation that God has given the kingdom to, the children of the flesh "Jews" are not the Israel of God, it's that simple, and very easy to understand

Thanks for the interest!

 

[Curtis]

Only the Remnant elect Jew will be saved and added to the Church on earth

All Israel will be saved, when the last believer is saved and added to the Church, the Israel of God

To cure your replacement theology, read Romans 11 and where it says Jacob (Israel) is ungodly, change it to, the church is ungodly.

And where it says God gave salvation to the gentiles (the church) to make Israel jealous, change it to, God gave salvation to the church, to make the church jealous.

When Paul says he’s a Jew and an Israelite, change it to he’s a church.

Every time it says Israel, replace it with CHURCH and see if it makes any sense.

 

[Truth7t7]

To cure your replacement theology, read Romans 11 and where it says Jacob (Israel) is ungodly, change it to, the church is ungodly.

And where it says God gave salvation to the gentiles (the church) to make Israel jealous, change it to, God gave salvation to the church, to make the church jealous.

When Paul says he’s a Jew and an Israelite, change it to he’s a church.

Every time it says Israel, replace it with CHURCH and see if it makes any sense.

As the opinion clearly shows, two Israel's exist, one of the flesh "Jews", and another of the Spirit "Church"

The Remnant Elect Jew will be saved through the finished work on Calvary, at this time they become (Church) the Spiritual Israel of God, children of the promised seed

As you have been shown several times, only the Remnant Elect Jew is saved in Romans 11, those whom God foreknew, the rest are blinded

 

[Hidden In Him]

We Disagree, the Church is the Holy Nation that God has given the kingdom to, the children of the flesh "Jews" are not the Israel of God, it's that simple, and very easy to understand

Thanks for the interest!

Lol! Well thanks for the "response," only you were quoting from a parable to build your position, and because of this I was asking you to account for your application of the verse in its context.

So again, tell me who the vineyard is in the parable.

The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

 

[Truth7t7]

Lol! Well thanks for the "response," only you were quoting from a parable to build your position, and because of this I was asking you to account for your application of the verse in its context.

So again, tell me who the vineyard is in the parable.

The Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

Who are the children of the promised seed in the OP?

The Church, The Israel Of God

 

[Hidden In Him]

Who are the children of the promised seed in the OP?

The Church, The Israel Of God

Truth, if you are going to quote a passage as teaching a certain thing and do so authoritatively, you need to be able to back up what you teach by being able to treat the rest of the passage in keeping with your interpretation, and you are evading me badly here.

Ok, as you wish. Just keep in mind that those who present themselves as teachers of the word are going to be held accountable for what they said, and will be held to a higher standard. If you cannot even give me an answer, doesn't this suggest to you there might be some holes in how you are interpreting the verse?

 

[Truth7t7]

Truth, if you are going to quote a passage as teaching a certain thing and do so authoritatively, you need to be able to back up what you teach by being able to treat the rest of the passage in keeping with your interpretation, and you are evading me badly here.

Ok, as you wish. Just keep in mind that those who present themselves as teachers of the word are going to be held accountable for what they said, and will be held to a higher standard. If you cannot even give me an answer, doesn't this suggest to you there might be some holes in how you are interpreting the verse?

No holes in interpretation whatsoever, the OP is straight forward (Israel) of the flesh (Jews) aren't the children of God, the (Israel) of faith (Church) are children of the promised seed

God has taken the kingdom from (Israel) of the flesh, and given it to the Holy Nation in (Israel) the (Church)

Pretty Simple, We Disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Hidden In Him]

No holes in interpretation whatsoever

Then why can't you answer my question?

Tell me who the vineyard is in this parable:

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I can only post the relevant scriptures, which completely falsifies replacement theology - I can’t make you actually READ them.

I can't make him debate relevant scriptures either.

Truth7t7 presents himself as a teacher yet he can't answer other people's posts. He will defiantly respond by acting as if he has soundly refuted you when he hasn't even addressed you. Truth7t7 needs to have a disclaimer that reads, "I don't actually answer other people's posts. I just appear to."

 

[Truth7t7]

Then why can't you answer my question?

Tell me who the vineyard is in this parable:

33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief cornerstone. This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” 45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

Im not very good at playing the game of show and tell, you make a claim in stating who you believe the vineyard is, and its association to the topic, waiting?

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Hidden In Him]

Im not very good at playing the game of show and tell, you make a claim in stating who you believe the vineyard is, and its association to the topic, waiting?

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Aight. The vineyard is Israel, more specifically Jerusalem, and the original vinedressers were their current leadership, in particular the Chief Priests, the scribes and the Pharisees. After His death and resurrection, the new vinedressers would become the apostles, who would lead Isreal properly and bring forth spiritual fruit amongst those who believed in Him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?” 41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.... Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.”