The Israel Of God Is The Church

[Ronald Nolette]

Not one scripture presented to support your claims, waiting?

YOu don't know that God promised David a descendant would sit on His throne forever?

You don't know that god promised Israel a land that would be theres forever, even though god also said He would kick them out from time to time for their wickedness?

 

[Keraz]

But then again as you reject Jesus having a 1000 year kingdom on earth, Israe reigning and the gentile nations having to bring offerings to Jerusalem as is written by God,

I do believe in the Millennium Kingdom of Jesus.
You are careless about your posts and you make false accusations.

On my thread; The Great Second Exodus, I show how the faithful people of God, from every race, nation and language, will go to live in all of the holy Land.
Why reject this wonderful truth?

 

[Truth7t7]

YOu don't know that God promised David a descendant would sit on His throne forever?

You don't know that god promised Israel a land that would be theres forever, even though god also said He would kick them out from time to time for their wickedness?

Still no scripture presented to support your claims, waiting?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I do believe in the Millennium Kingdom of Jesus.
You are careless about your posts and you make false accusations.

On my thread; The Great Second Exodus, I show how the faithful people of God, from every race, nation and language, will go to live in all of the holy Land.
Why reject this wonderful truth?

Why reject it? because it is not the truth. You see the word elect and assume it is tribulation saints, when in fact it is saved Israel.

You take all the OT prophesies concerning Israel and transfer them over to the church in violation of what God wrote. That is why.

YOu take verses about the church and extrapolate them to give them the promises God made to the nation of Israel. The classic example is About Abraham.

You take the promises made to Israel and give them to teh church because of one NT verse.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Yet you remove Israel from its covenanted position with God, you have to ignore this simple biblical fact:
Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. God already promised to bless the gentiles by Christ, but you feel the need to retranslate all the promises God made to the nation of Israel and give them away!

YOu believe in a millenial kingdom, but a retranslated reinterpreted millenial kingdom.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Still no scripture presented to support your claims, waiting?

Which claims you want SCripture for, that you have not seen.

 

[Truth7t7]

Which claims you want SCripture for, that you have not seen.

Quote: Ronald Nolette, Post #97

The Mosaic covenant also known as the old covenant or the law- was not made with Abraham, but through Moses to the nation of Israel.

The Davidic Covenant made to David and His offspring. To be fulfilled in Jesus

The Land covenant- Made to Israel and the promised land given them, for a perpetual covenant.

The New Covenant , Propheised through Jeremiah to all 12 tribes of Israel.

None of these covenants were made to or through Abraham.

 

[Keraz]

YOu believe in a millenial kingdom, but a retranslated reinterpreted millenial kingdom.

A Kingdom ruled by Jesus and all the people are righteous believers.
NONE of the unrighteous and Jesus rejecting people will enter that Kingdom. Isaiah 35:8=10, Ezekiel 20:38

You take the promises made to Israel and give them to teh church because of one NT verse.

I take the whole New Testament to prove that ethnicity has no value, Salvation is now available to all who seek it.
Over 20 Prophesies tell of the destruction of apostate Jewry. Zephaniah 1:14-18

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Quote: Ronald Nolette, Post #97

The Mosaic covenant also known as the old covenant or the law- was not made with Abraham, but through Moses to the nation of Israel.

The Davidic Covenant made to David and His offspring. To be fulfilled in Jesus

The Land covenant- Made to Israel and the promised land given them, for a perpetual covenant.

The New Covenant , Propheised through Jeremiah to all 12 tribes of Israel.

None of these covenants were made to or through Abraham.

Well, I never said they were! I said they were made to Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

A Kingdom ruled by Jesus and all the people are righteous believers.
NONE of the unrighteous and Jesus rejecting people will enter that Kingdom. Isaiah 35:8=10, Ezekiel 20:38

And I am not arguing against that truth.

I take the whole New Testament to prove that ethnicity has no value, Salvation is now available to all who seek it.
Over 20 Prophesies tell of the destruction of apostate Jewry. Zephaniah 1:14-18

And i do not disagree with these Scriptural truths either! But what you reject are the verses that show God is going to bring the remnant of Jews in teh tribiulation into th ebond of the covenant and that Israel finally inherits all teh promised land. This happens on earth. th esurvivors of the great trib that are saved enter the kingdom as mortals!, they repopulate the earth and God places Israel in their land He promised them- not a spiritual Israel, but the saved Jews of the tribulation.

Because you reject a pre-trib rapture, you place all believers of the trib into teh church which is just not biblical.

 

[Keraz]

But what you reject are the verses that show God is going to bring the remnant of Jews in teh tribiulation into th ebond of the covenant and that Israel finally inherits all teh promised land.

I reject this, because it is not what the Bible prophets say will happen.
The holy Land is the inheritance of all the faithful righteous Christian peoples. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Psalms 37:29, Isaiah 65:9 My chosen ones, those who serve Me, shall inherit the holy Land.

Because you reject a pre-trib rapture, you place all believers of the trib into teh church which is just not biblical.

Your confusion and posting errors are legendary.
You have transposed 'trib' and 'church' .

Anyway, I do not place all believers into the Great Tribulation. Many will be kept in a place of safety then. Revelation 12:14

 

[robert derrick]

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Sweet and simple. Very good.

Once Scripture began to made distinction between Israel after the flesh and the Israel of God, then it was so, that Israel after the flesh was no more the Israel of God on earth today.

The children of Israel with promise of Abraham and covenant of the God of Abraham are now the brethren of the risen God of Israel, Jesus Christ, and His nation on earth is the natural bodies of His church, which is His body and temple.

The only natural Israel of God on earth at this time, is them alive and remaining on earth in natural bodies, being circumcised of Christ in the heart.

There is no spiritual Israel of God on earth, because that will not be until the first resurrection of His church in spiritual bodies, who will then return to earth with the Lord Himself to smite the nations.

Only then will their be seen on earth the resurrected spiritual Israel of God.

The myth of a natural Israel and a spiritual Israel on earth at the same time today, is believed by them that still put faith in the flesh and not in God, whose outward circumcision of the flesh is of no profit to God today.

And those willing to believe that lie for the sake of their false prophecies of the last days today, do so from pride, not from any love for Israel after the flesh, who are but a tool for their false scholarly pursuits.

 

[robert derrick]

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation"

And they confirmed it themselves:

They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The kingdom of God on earth was always the promised kingdom to the seed of Abraham, which was rejected by the natural seed and now confirmed in His seed of faith in natural bodies.

What Israel after the flesh has now is just another uncircumcised nation on earth like any other unbelieving nation on earth, and they wanted it that way since the days of Samuel in rejecting The LORD from ruling over them, and they finally got it that way in rejecting the LORD Himself in the flesh:

If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

What they have now is the own place and nation among the nations of the earth, which are not all uncircumcised Gentiles to God. The natural seed wanted to be like other Gentiles without God Himself ruling over them, and now they are the same as them after the flesh.