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When we are born into this world we are born with the propensity to sin, it is an inborn natural tendency to selfishness. We do not have to sin in order to express that propensity, babies express that selfishness from the moment they open their mouths. Are they condemned because of this? A part of me (this is just an opinion) believes their destiny rests upon the faith of their parents.
As far as who, or what, is the source of salvation, I think it is both the gospel and Yeshua. Yeshua is the good news. Has been from the foundation of the world...from the very first promise of an answer to the sin problem in Genesis 3:15. Thus began the gospel...a promise of a Savior...accepting and believing in that promise was salvation for OT Jewry...accepting and believing in the culmination of that promise is salvation for NT Israelites.
To the discussion on the existence of sin prior to the law ....when the written law was given at Sinai it was necessary to educate a people regarding the character of God. They, for 400 years, had been inculcated into paganism...any truth or reality re the nature of God had long been forgotten. So God revealed Himself to Israel. His law was a written transcript of His character. It was His character that had been in question since the fall. Satan had suggested He was holding something back from Eve...that He was a liar.... And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,....as if God was being selfish and wanting to be the only god in town. Since then, man has been reinventing God, and when he does so he ignores His law. Today, people like Oprah Winfrey are promoting their own self made religion where man himself becomes his own god. "I am what I am", being a common mantra. But I digress. Sin is transgression against the law, yes, but it is also transgression against the character of God, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". So yes, sin existed before Sinai...Joseph himself recognizing this ...Ge 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
Joseph did not need a written law to recognize sin...what he had was a correct perspective on the character of God...something Eve hadn't learned as yet, and which Israel had lost during their tenure in Egypt....oh, and which was exemplified and reinforced by the life of Christ.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable
As far as who, or what, is the source of salvation, I think it is both the gospel and Yeshua. Yeshua is the good news. Has been from the foundation of the world...from the very first promise of an answer to the sin problem in Genesis 3:15. Thus began the gospel...a promise of a Savior...accepting and believing in that promise was salvation for OT Jewry...accepting and believing in the culmination of that promise is salvation for NT Israelites.
To the discussion on the existence of sin prior to the law ....when the written law was given at Sinai it was necessary to educate a people regarding the character of God. They, for 400 years, had been inculcated into paganism...any truth or reality re the nature of God had long been forgotten. So God revealed Himself to Israel. His law was a written transcript of His character. It was His character that had been in question since the fall. Satan had suggested He was holding something back from Eve...that He was a liar.... And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,....as if God was being selfish and wanting to be the only god in town. Since then, man has been reinventing God, and when he does so he ignores His law. Today, people like Oprah Winfrey are promoting their own self made religion where man himself becomes his own god. "I am what I am", being a common mantra. But I digress. Sin is transgression against the law, yes, but it is also transgression against the character of God, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". So yes, sin existed before Sinai...Joseph himself recognizing this ...Ge 39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
Joseph did not need a written law to recognize sin...what he had was a correct perspective on the character of God...something Eve hadn't learned as yet, and which Israel had lost during their tenure in Egypt....oh, and which was exemplified and reinforced by the life of Christ.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable