FHII said:I have the gospel. It is the power of God! Lot of people don't think its super, but it gives me eternal life! Batman can't do that!
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What happens with dead babies if we have sin from birth?tom55 said:
The way I see it is all men would inevitably fall into sin as a result of the creation we are. High intelligence = self seeking / selfish. Which leads to sin. Abstinence vs self indulgence. This is contrary to our best interests. Every intelligent creation will opt for self preservation vs selflessness.
If the underlined in your post was true, babies are not with God. Any belief other then that babies go straight to heaven / or a waiting place is pure madness. Calvinists have a lot of explaining to do on this.
Jesus would disagree,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh_6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
As He said
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
There is no life in teh Gospel it only points you to the one who is.
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As a result of Adam's sin death entered the world. Yet as Adam did not die immediately from his disobedience spiritual death was the immediate result. Yes sin was in the world before the law as we know from the flood people were judged for sin. People are born separated from God at birth, spiritually dead, via Adam's sin. All sin personally eventually because of their depraved state. This is why we need to be reborn into Christ. From there we transition from our first state, in Adam, to our second state, in Christ.tom55 said:
Okay....maybe I'm not completely awake yet. Maybe I need another cup of coffee or something...
Are we now arguing as to whether or not God condemns babies to hell???????
Are we now arguing as to whether or not God condemns babies to hell???????
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Romans 1:16 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
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Paul wouldn't, and he was Jesus's ambassador.mjrhealth said:
Very nicely said, FHII!FHII said:
I'm a little short..5'4", to be exact...but I think I can manage...
If I stand on my toes, I can reach to give you a kiss on the cheek....right by your left ear.
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The moment we KNOWINGLY disobey God.tom55 said:
No, just a statement of observation based on your responses so far. It may come across as such but I didn't intend to BE condescending.
amen
Is Paul greater than Jesus, would Paul disagree with Jesus.
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Php 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
And here was a man who was counted amongst the learned.
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
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Paul doesn't disagree with hesus, mjrhealth. The problem here is your belief that the gospel is separate from Jesus; its not. The gospel is the account of Jesus's life and his message, and is the primary source of information about him. Trying to separate them is like saying you like the Beatles, but hate their music. Its nonsensical.
A bit like biographies tha tpeople read, yet they never know the person,
The Gospel does what Jesus says, it testifes of Him, but as He says, you wont go to Him.
You know tihs.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Look at the Pharisees, knew the Torah to teh letter didnt know Jesus like Saul, even when He proved who he was.It cant save you, only Christ can.
As I have so repeated myself, Christ has given us so much but it is all denied so man can work it all out for himself, how foolish.
A very long time ago, one of the wisest people I've ever known told me something very important.mjrhealth said:
She said that people tend to judge one another by their own standards. In other words, that person who judges all people to be liars is a liar himself, the one who thinks all people are dishonest is someone you probably ought not put too much trust in...etc.
That was over 50 years ago, when I was just a young girl...but her advice has proven true.
Mjhealth, you need to stop judging your fellow Christians on this board.
Every time you post something like this, you reveal your own inadequacy...
Come to Jesus, Mjhealth. He is waiting for you....
Judging How?? all I have done is shown what christ did, teh better way, can He help it if no one wants it.
How little you know, knew me long Before I knew Him.
Wasnt it you who wrote about being hated for His sake, and being ignored, maybe you are right, is that why you ignore me??
I gues steh pharisees felt the same,
Why are you always judging us. lets kill him
IMO, you need to take your time and PROOF READ your posts before actually posting them, because as in this case, they frequently are very incohesive and incoherent.mjrhealth said:
NOT what I was commenting on. I am a grade 9 dropout, but still learned to write and proof read. I'm pretty sure you can do this, you just have bad habits, which result in your posts becoming incomprehensible some times. Other times they are quite coherent.mjrhealth said:
About as far as I got. You know those emails you get with teh mixed up letters in teh words. i have no problem reading them, so you can imagine how hard it is to proofe read. i have to do it 20 min later when its not fresh or I just read what i think i wrote. Keyboard dysleaxia, my fingers work faster than my brain
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