You deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ because you deny that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that through him the world might be saved" John 3:17. Jesus provides salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. To say that he doesn't, is to say that Jesus is not Lord. No one will be saved that does not believe that Jesus is Lord.
The Gospel of Reconciliation
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You have denied and or ignored the Truths I have presented about how those He died for shall be saved by His Life in Posts 455 and 460
All that profess Christ as their savior have been saved by his life. In their name and on their behalf, Jesus fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:15. Because of the life of Christ we have been justified, sanctified and redeemed, 1 Corinthians 1:30. Because of the life of Christ, Christians can now stand before God as perfect and complete in him, Colossians 2:10. Isn't that wonderful? But nothing is ours if it is not received by faith.
Reconciliation ensures all of Salvation !
Understand something, We know that Christ did not die for all mankind individually without exception, if we believe the Truth about His Death, in how it secures and ensures that those He died for shall be saved by His Life Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now lets consider here that its an stated fact that those Christ died for, even while they were enemies, that is to say unbelievers, even then they were reconciled to God; and the promise to them now reconciled to God while enemies, by His Death is " THEY SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE" !
So now if He reconciled all mankind without exception to God while they were enemies and unbelievers by His Death [supposing He died for them] and yet these same enemies thus reconciled by His death are not SAVED BY HIS LIFE AS PROMISED then the scripture has been proved to be false and a lie.
The only way for it not to be proved false is if all humanity without exception shall eventually be saved by His Life, which equates to universalism, another false teaching of the ungodly, or that Christ's Death was Limited to only the saved, which is limited atonement, or limited reconciliation !
So which do you believe today ? Let us examine our hearts before God and His Truth ! If you believe Christ died for all humanity without exception and reconciled them to God while enemies as Per Rom 5:10 then you either believe in Universal-ism or you believe that the scriptures teach limited atonement, you cant straddle the fence ! 10
Understand something, We know that Christ did not die for all mankind individually without exception, if we believe the Truth about His Death, in how it secures and ensures that those He died for shall be saved by His Life Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now lets consider here that its an stated fact that those Christ died for, even while they were enemies, that is to say unbelievers, even then they were reconciled to God; and the promise to them now reconciled to God while enemies, by His Death is " THEY SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE" !
So now if He reconciled all mankind without exception to God while they were enemies and unbelievers by His Death [supposing He died for them] and yet these same enemies thus reconciled by His death are not SAVED BY HIS LIFE AS PROMISED then the scripture has been proved to be false and a lie.
The only way for it not to be proved false is if all humanity without exception shall eventually be saved by His Life, which equates to universalism, another false teaching of the ungodly, or that Christ's Death was Limited to only the saved, which is limited atonement, or limited reconciliation !
So which do you believe today ? Let us examine our hearts before God and His Truth ! If you believe Christ died for all humanity without exception and reconciled them to God while enemies as Per Rom 5:10 then you either believe in Universal-ism or you believe that the scriptures teach limited atonement, you cant straddle the fence ! 10
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Christ died for the sin of the world.
That means that for everyone, Christ died...........as "ALL have sinned".
This is why John 3:16 says....>>"For God so loved the WORLD that He gave Jesus to the Cross">.. and that is not talking about the Trees and the Mountains.
"WORLD is : ALL people everywhere.
John Calvinism, which is one of the Devil's Theologies... says....>"no, John 3:16 is a LIE... Because Jesus only died for my idea that i created, that i defined as " only the pre-destined to be saved".
John Calvin was a devil, and his Theology was vomited out of Hell itself, courtesy of John Calvin and all of HIS Disciples who still obey their Master.
If Jesus came down from heaven and told you that he has atoned for everyone's sins and is the savior of the world, you would not believe him, John 3:16-21. Because you love darkness, John 3:19-21.
False, unless you mean by world, Gods Elect or His Church Eph 5:25 and His death ensures their Salvation
So I take it you dont believe Christs death ensures the Salvation of them He died for and reconciled to God.
Christ's death in reconciliation has a Two Fold purpose, it was to reconcile God to man and man to God! If it doesn't do this, it was a failure to Gods purpose , but it did Reconcile both sides as scripture teaches !
After reading the first line of your blasphemous post I decided not to read any more
of it.
To be a Calvinist it is imperative that you know how to Change words in the Bible.
So in other words, you reject the notion that reconciliation by Christs death ensures all of Salvation ? You think thats Blasphemy
Reconciled to God , more of what it means ?
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
What does being reconciled to God mean ? Yes even when unbelievers and enemies !
It means that even as enemies and unbelievers God has no sins to charge against them, because all their sins have been put away by the Lord Jesus Christ.
These also God in Justice will not and cannot deal in wrath towards them for their sins as He will with others in a state of disobedience Eph 5:3-6
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things[In Vs 3-5] cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
This wrath of God here does include the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Notice a similar list of sins are here mentioned like those in Eph 5:3-5 !
I believe its the Wrath to come 1 Thess 1:10
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
And its the wrath spoken of here 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now all whom Christ by His death reconciled to God, they were not appointed to wrath, and that even while enemies and unbelievers, even then they are saved from the Wrath to come through Him Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Through Him here means through His Death ! In fact the word through here in Vs 9 is the same word BY in Vs 10:
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Its the prep dia, which means "on account of" and so we were saved from wrath and reconciled to God on account of His Death, because of it, and no other cause can be considered without turning into idolatry ! 10
Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
What does being reconciled to God mean ? Yes even when unbelievers and enemies !
It means that even as enemies and unbelievers God has no sins to charge against them, because all their sins have been put away by the Lord Jesus Christ.
These also God in Justice will not and cannot deal in wrath towards them for their sins as He will with others in a state of disobedience Eph 5:3-6
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things[In Vs 3-5] cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
This wrath of God here does include the second death Rev 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Notice a similar list of sins are here mentioned like those in Eph 5:3-5 !
I believe its the Wrath to come 1 Thess 1:10
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
And its the wrath spoken of here 1 Thess 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now all whom Christ by His death reconciled to God, they were not appointed to wrath, and that even while enemies and unbelievers, even then they are saved from the Wrath to come through Him Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Through Him here means through His Death ! In fact the word through here in Vs 9 is the same word BY in Vs 10:
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Its the prep dia, which means "on account of" and so we were saved from wrath and reconciled to God on account of His Death, because of it, and no other cause can be considered without turning into idolatry ! 10
Making Peace /reconcilation by the blood of His Cross !
Col 1:20
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Did you know that all for whom Christ died, they have Peace with God before Faith ? Yes they have it[Peace with God] even though by nature they are enemies in their minds against Him and in Unbelief, because this Peace they have with God is established by the Blood of Christ, or by His Death, and its a True fact even while they are being enemies, hating Him and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.
This Peace they have as enemies and unbelievers is true also because again as such they have been reconciled to God ! How was it they were reconciled to God ? It was not by their Faith, but by His Death Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hence as reconciled enemies they have Peace with God, they are established in His Favor through the Lord Jesus Christ ! 10
Col 1:20
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Did you know that all for whom Christ died, they have Peace with God before Faith ? Yes they have it[Peace with God] even though by nature they are enemies in their minds against Him and in Unbelief, because this Peace they have with God is established by the Blood of Christ, or by His Death, and its a True fact even while they are being enemies, hating Him and His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.
This Peace they have as enemies and unbelievers is true also because again as such they have been reconciled to God ! How was it they were reconciled to God ? It was not by their Faith, but by His Death Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Hence as reconciled enemies they have Peace with God, they are established in His Favor through the Lord Jesus Christ ! 10
What is already not separate need to be reconciled. In kind, with respect and in similar vernacular, that there is, was ever, or could be separation and therein / then reconciliation, is ostensibly evidence of having been deceived.
No, that's the truth of God's word, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. And is your stumbling stone.
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