The Doctrines of Grace

[ElectedbyHim]

I live in my old body of sin....I’m Born Of God, therefore I cannot continue to sin?

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God...do you understand what that means ?

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?

1 John 3​

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

When we become Born Again we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

Romans 6:15-23​

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New International Version​

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Slaves to Righteousness​

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin,which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

I live in my old body of sin....I’m Born Of God, therefore I cannot continue to sin?

So do you have sin in your life at times?

 

[Ritajanice]

So do you have sin in your life at times?

I have answered using Gods word.

Are you denying what God says about a Born Again?

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I have answered using Gods word.

Are you denying what God says about a Born Again?

You are telling me you are sinless.

The Bible does not teach that.

Sinless perfection is becoming more common today with Christians.

Eisegesis of Scripture will do this.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 John 3:4

commits sin. The verb commits in the Greek conveys the idea of making sin a habitual practice. Although genuine Christians have a sin disposition (1Jn_1:8), and do commit and need to confess sin (1Jn_1:9; 1Jn_2:1), that is not the unbroken pattern of their lives. A genuinely born-again believer has a built-in check or guard against habitual sinning due to a new nature ("born of God"—1Jn_3:9; Rom_6:12).

sin is lawlessness. The first reason why Christians cannot practice sin is because sin is incompatible with the law of God which they love (Psa_119:34, Psa_119:77, Psa_119:97; Rom_7:12, Rom_7:22). The term lawlessness conveys more than transgressing God's law. It conveys the ultimate sense of rebellion, i.e., living as if there was no law or ignoring what laws exist (Jas_4:17).

1 John 3:6

does not sin. Like the phrase "commits sin" of verse 1Jn_3:4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning.
Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John's pronouncement is absolutely clear-salvation never took place.

1 John 3:8

He who sins. This phrase means "who habitually practice sin" (see notes on 1Jn_3:4, 1Jn_3:6).
of the devil. This phrase gives the source of the false teachers' actions. The term devil means "accuser" or "slanderer." Not only does Satan ("adversary") oppose God and His plan, but he is the originator and instigator of sin and rebellion against God and His law (1Jn_3:4; see notes on Eph_6:10-17). Therefore, all the unsaved are under the diabolic influence of Satan. Their sinful lifestyle reflects their satanic origin (see note on Eph_2:1). John contrasts the children of God with the children of Satan in terms of their actions. While those who are truly born again reflect the habit of righteousness, Satan's children practice sin.

from the beginning. Since Satan was originally created as perfect and only later rebelled against God (Isa_14:12-14; Eze_28:12-17), John probably means the moment of his rebellion against God, the beginning of his rebellious career. Since sin characterizes him completely, so everyone characterized by sin must derive from him (cf. Joh_8:44).

For this purpose … that He might destroy. A third reason why Christians cannot practice sin is because Christ came to destroy the works of the arch-sinner, Satan. The devil is still operating, but he has been defeated and, in Christ, true believers escape his tyranny. The day will come when all of Satan's activity will cease in the universe and he will be sent to hell forever (Rev_20:10).

works of the devil. This summarizes a variety of the devil's activities: sin, rebellion, temptation, ruling the world, persecution and accusation of saints, instigation of false teachers, and exercising the power of death (e.g., Luk_8:12; Joh_8:44; Act_5:3; 1Co_7:5; 2Co_4:4; Eph_6:11-12; 1Th_2:18; Heb_2:14; Rev_12:10).


1 John 3:9

The fourth reason why Christians cannot practice sin is because it is incompatible with the ministry of the Holy Spirit, who has imparted a new nature to the believer (Joh_3:5-8).

born of God. John wrote here of the new birth (Joh_3:7). When people become Christians, God makes them new creatures with new natures (2Co_5:17). Believers have God's characteristics because they have been born into God's family. This new nature exhibits the habitual character of righteousness produced by the Holy Spirit (Gal_5:22-24). John repeats this phrase twice for emphasis.
His seed. The new birth involves the acquisition of a seed, which refers to the principle of God's life imparted to the believer at salvation's new birth. John uses this image of a planted seed to picture the divine element involved in being born again. See notes on 1Pe_1:23-25.

remains. The word conveys the idea of the permanence of the new birth which cannot be reversed, for those who are truly born again are permanently transformed into a new creation (2Co_5:17; Gal_6:15; Eph_2:10).
he cannot sin. This phrase once again conveys the impossibility of habitual sinning (see 1Jn_3:4, 1Jn_3:6).

You are posting scripture, which is meaningless if you can’t answer spiritual questions...you never answered my questions?

Being Born Of God’s seed comes by supernatural divine heart revelation?

Which means what?

You can quote scripture all day long, it doesn’t negate from the fact that we must understand the Living divine spirit birth.

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed, which means what exactly?

 

[Lambano]

I do not understand your logic.

What do you think the "Gospel" is? What do you proclaim?

I was using Paul's formula in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Verse 3 includes "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures".

 

[Ritajanice]

You are telling me you are sinless.

I have told you no such thing, read my posts, what does God say about a Born Again...you have made assumptions..

The Bible does not teach that.

Sinless perfection is becoming more common today with Christians.

Eisegesis of Scripture will do this.

Who said I was in sinless perfection?

I live in my old body of sin.

I have been Born Of God’s seed for the past 33 yrs...the Bible teaches that a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

I’m going by the Living word of God, His Living testimony the Holy Spirit.

You seem to be going by your “ own “ understanding of the word.( The Bible)

The Bible says a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

That also comes by supernatural divine heart revelation?

Maybe you can explain in your own words what that means, so that I can get an idea of where you are coming from?

 

[Ritajanice]

What do you think the "Gospel" is? What do you proclaim?

I was using Paul's formula in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Verse 3 includes "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures".

Apparently the Gospel is the good news, I’ve never understood what that meant, not until my spirit became Born Again/ Regenerated....we all come to know God / understand him all very differently, some by reading a Bible, some by not reading a Bible, would you agree with that?

He speaks to us all very differently, in ways that we individually understand him...yet what or how he speaks to us will never contradict his word the Bible,He has always spoken to my heart, others he speaks to their heart when they read the word.

He speaks the word to my heart ,brings it to my understanding in my spirit imo, then I always check what I hear the Spirit witness to my spirit, with the Bible...just to make sure what I heard came from him.via His Living Holy Spirit who indwells my spirit.

Remember we are spirit children we are no longer earthly children, even though we are in the world, we are not of the world.

Being Born Again can be extremely lonely as we grow and mature in Christ, I need to,pray that god guides me to a Spirit filled church...as I haven’t been attending church for a while now...only being on this forum.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I have told you no such thing, read my posts, what does God say about a Born Again...you have made assumptions..

Who said I was in sinless perfection?

I live in my old body of sin.

I have been Born Of God’s seed for the past 33 yrs...the Bible teaches that a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

I’m going by the Living word of God, His Living testimony the Holy Spirit.

You seem to be going by your “ own “ understanding of the word.( The Bible)

The Bible says a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

That also comes by supernatural divine heart revelation?

Maybe you can explain in your own words what that means, so that I can get an idea of where you are coming from?

In God's eyes we are sinless.

In my eyes, my flesh still is corrupt.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

I have told you no such thing, read my posts, what does God say about a Born Again...you have made assumptions..

Who said I was in sinless perfection?

I live in my old body of sin.

I have been Born Of God’s seed for the past 33 yrs...the Bible teaches that a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

I’m going by the Living word of God, His Living testimony the Holy Spirit.

You seem to be going by your “ own “ understanding of the word.( The Bible)

The Bible says a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God’s seed?

That also comes by supernatural divine heart revelation?

Maybe you can explain in your own words what that means, so that I can get an idea of where you are coming from?

Who said I was in sinless perfection?

I thought you promoting sinless perfection.

I just wondered if you still struggle with sin.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

What do you think the "Gospel" is? What do you proclaim?

I was using Paul's formula in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Verse 3 includes "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures".

That is correct.

I present the gospel God's wrath on sinners and the punishment that comes with it and go from there about.

Kind of like the Romans road to salvation if you are familair with it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just to be clear: "Regenerate" is Reformed-speak for "Born Again".

Titus 3. Regeneration.. just saying

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why the hate in something that gives God total Sovereignty and Glory?

Because it rejects the fact God is a God of unconditional love.

God can be soverign, and also loving, gthe two do not have to be apposed to each other

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul did not lie as you suggest.

They are self-deceived.

"Many" believe the gospel but are not truly saved.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matthew 7:22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, in Your name did we not prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many miracles?’
Matthew 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

These people did not believe with saving faith (they did not repent)

Their faith was in their works.. Thats why jesus said, I NEVER KNEW YOU

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who called God a liar?

The Bible teaches how God uses His sovereignty.

Calvinists do

As do arminians

As do many isms.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Regenerated (born again) by Holy Spirit.

And we are born again through faith/. John 3 remove faith, there is no new birth

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned alread

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Many do not like Romans 9 and really do not undesratnd what Paul was talking about.

Romans 9 is about God's soverein choice in salvation.

But many reject that because they do not understand Biblical election.

I love romans 9 when interpreted correctly

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What happened to your sense of humour?

Sadly, when someone disagrees with her, her sense of humor disappears.

Ask all her former friends she turned on

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Probably my favorite book of the Bible.

Romans 10 - 11 is one message. Your can’t use romans 1 without Roman’s 11

You also can not take the quotes in romans 9 out of contet with the OT passages they were taken from.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes that is what many believe.

As I have stated, people do not understand Biblical election.

Grace and peace to you.

We do

But you do not see us boast..

“Elected by him”

Any pride there?

 

[ElectedbyHim]

We do

But you do not see us boast..

“Elected by him”

Any pride there?

Where is the pride?