The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Ritajanice]

Amen!...I understand this below.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The fact that we have been brought into the Kingdom of Christ is through Him being in us and us in Him by His Spirit coming to dwell in those who belong to Him, as He promised. Colossians 1:12-13 has nothing to do with the coming Kingdom of Christ - that gospel which is still currently being preached in all the world as a witness to all nations

There is no "coming kingdom of Christ". Scripture says He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This is why when Jesus comes at the end of the age the kingdom will then be known as "the kingdom of their Father".

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ ...said.

My question is this in Light of John 5:28
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice

At what hour(John 5:28) is a person Born-Again by the Spirit of God?


RJ says, I don’t understand any of this, if it’s Gods will, you will bring me to it’s understand I pray David.

Please explain more, my ears are listening.

You just brought tears of the Holy Spirit from my heart to my eyes.

@WPM is included here

Lets look at John 5:28-29 = forgive me for my mistake of not including verse 29

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

@Ritajanice, there are TWO distinct Groups mentioned here in John 5:28-29
Group A = unto Eternal Life
Group B = unto damnation

Now NOTICE how GOD corroborates His Truth with more Truth = 1 John 2:18-19
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

BOTH Jesus and John are speaking the same TRUTH
TWO Distinct Groups
Group A is with the Apostle John = SAVED
Group B is waiting for the Antichrist for they left the Fellowship of/with the Apostle John
BOTH Groups are living in the "last hour" which JESUS speaks of.

There are TWO distinct Groups mentioned here in John 5:28-29 and in 1 John 2:18-19
Group A = unto Eternal Life
Group B = unto damnation

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What's the inheritance the passage starts speaking about in Col 1:12? Something we already have?

No, I think it's talking about the future inheritance of the kingdom of God in its fullness. But, are you trying to distract from the fact that we are already rescued from spiritual darkness and have already been brought into the kingdom of Christ, as it says? Why is it that you won't even address that part? It's because of being part of Christ's kingdom now that we can look forward to inheriting the new heavens and new earth in the future in accordance with His second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

 

[David in NJ]

There is no "coming kingdom of Christ". Scripture says He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This is why when Jesus comes at the end of the age the kingdom will then be known as "the kingdom of their Father".

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

There is no "coming kingdom of Christ"

OOPS = VERY BIG OOPS my Brother

@Zao is life is included

Revelation 11:
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,
“The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ,
and He shall reign forever and ever!”

And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you @David in NJ ....I must read this over, it makes sense, but before I ask questions, I need to know what I’m talking about..praying that God will give me more knowledge on the subject.

As being honest, I just jumped in , without studying the OP.

Thanks again Brother, God Bless You.

 

[tailgator]

There is no "coming kingdom of Christ". Scripture says He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This is why when Jesus comes at the end of the age the kingdom will then be known as "the kingdom of their Father".

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

First he will send forth his angels and they will remove from his kingdom all who do evil.

And there's a lot of people in that kingdom who do evil.


Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you @David in NJ ....I must read this over, it makes sense, but before I ask questions, I need to know what I’m talking about..praying that God will give me more knowledge on the subject.

As being honest, I just jumped in , without studying the OP.

Thanks again Brother, God Bless You.

Big THANK YOU for you Love of Christ really encouraged me today and i needed it.

 

[tailgator]

OOPS = VERY BIG OOPS my Brother

@Zao is life is included

Revelation 11:
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying,
“The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ,
and He shall reign forever and ever!”

And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Daniel 7 talks about that kingdom under heaven too.
It would be the same kingdom in revelation 20.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

According to the word of God. The he first resurection is of them who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus and who did not worship the beast or it's image nor received its mark.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



So you agree you have not been resurected in this first resurrection?

It's very difficult to have a discussion with someone who is unable to understand what others believe. I see the first resurrection as being Christ's resurrection and that we all spiritually have part in His resurrection. Does the following not say that His resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead?

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Here is how to have part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) so that the second death has no power over you, as Revelation 20:6 talks about:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Tell me, do you believe one has to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over them? It says "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power". Do you think it is only those who are beheaded who have part in the first resurrection and avoid the second death? If so, how do others avoid the second death? It seems that it says one must have part in the first resurrection in order to avoid the second death, so what is it that has to happen to make it so that we avoid the second death?

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 7 talks about that kingdom under heaven too.
It would be the same kingdom in revelation 20.

Daniel is a End Time prophet.

Secret: don't tell anyone

Daniel chapter 2 has the First and Second Coming

 

[Ritajanice]

@David in NJ .

Love you Brother in Christ....I wish you many blessings as you journey with our Lord.

What a wonderful God we serve.

 

[WPM]

Attention @Ritajanice

Therefore, we are living in the 'Hour' of His POWER of Resurrection unto Eternal Life = FIRST thru being Born-Again.

Just as the Apostle John wrote: 1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Can you @WPM SEE the Evidence of Corroborative Scripture TRUTH between John 5:28 and 1 John 2:18-19???

Jesus taught in John 5:24-29: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

You're not differentiating between the phrases "the hour is coming, and now is" and "the hour is coming." The phrase "the hour is coming, and now is" relates to the here-and-now. But "the hour is coming" is pointing only to a future event. You're making them out to mean the same thing, which cannot be the case.

If you hadn't been subject to the Premil paradigm, you could never see a 1,000 years separation (or any significant separation) in the resurrection and judgment of both the righteous and the wicked. In my experience Premils interpret every passage in Scripture in light of their opinion of Revelation 20, instead of interpreting Rev 20 in the light of the rest of Scripture.

Not only do I feel that Premil stretch the plain import of Revelation 20 but I don't see them presenting any other passage in Scripture that would suggest a 1,000years gap between the judgment of the righteous and the wicked. Evidently the righteous are raised at Jesus return, then you add an additional resurrection / judgment 1,000years+ later. What we require is clear unambiguous corroboration for the Premil view of Rev 20 from other Scripture (this is surely a main plank of interpretation).

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus taught in John 5:24-29: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

You're not differentiating between the phrases "the hour is coming, and now is" and "the hour is coming." The phrase "the hour is coming, and now is" relates to the here-and-now. But "the hour is coming" is pointing only to a future event. You're making them out to mean the same thing, which cannot be the case. Don't you believe that all believers will be resurrected at the same time? Isn't John 5:28-29 speaking of that time? I find your argument here to be completely unconvincing.

I feel your response is explaining away the clear obvious simple and face-value interpretation of these resurrection readings. In fact, if you hadn't been subject to the Premil paradigm, you could never see a 1,000 years separation (or any significant separation) in the resurrection and judgment of both the righteous and the wicked. In my experience Premils interpret every passage in Scripture in light of their opinion of Revelation 20, instead of interpreting Rev 20 in the light of the rest of Scripture.

Not only do I feel that Premil stretch the plain import of Revelation 20 but I don't see them presenting any other passage in Scripture that would suggest a 1,000years gap between the judgment of the righteous and the wicked. Evidently the righteous are raised at Jesus return, then you add an additional resurrection / judgment 1,000years+ later. What we require is clear unambiguous corroboration for the Premil view of Rev 20 from other Scripture (this is surely a main plank of interpretation).

“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

 

[tailgator]

It's very difficult to have a discussion with someone who is unable to understand what others believe. I see the first resurrection as being Christ's resurrection and that we all spiritually have part in His resurrection. Does the following not say that His resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead?

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Here is how to have part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) so that the second death has no power over you, as Revelation 20:6 talks about:

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Tell me, do you believe one has to be bodily resurrected in order for the second death to not have power over them? It says "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power". Do you think it is only those who are beheaded who have part in the first resurrection and avoid the second death? If so, how do others avoid the second death? It seems that it says one must have part in the first resurrection in order to avoid the second death, so what is it that has to happen to make it so that we avoid the second death?

The people in revelation 20 already died once by being beheaded for their witness of Jesus.They are resurected .They do not suffer a second death because they are found to have no fault.They did as Jesus commands them in the gospel and they died following his commandments.

Jesus even tells them in the gospel they will be killed before they are.Jesus is very forthcoming of the persecution they suffer and their deaths in the gospel.

This verse is speaking of them before they die.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Jesus taught a singular time (or hour) that is coming when all of the dead will be raised. Please notice “the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” We are not just looking at the righteous, we are looking at both the righteous and the wicked. The passage goes on to confirm: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” All that are in the graves will come forth when He comes. The righteous will be ushered into His glorious kingdom, the wicked shall be damned for all eternity in the lake of fire.

The righteous and wicked dead all rise in response to the same sovereign voice - Christ's. Christ’s description of the resurrection depicts a unitary event, albeit in two parts. Part 1 is the elect; Part 2 is the wicked. Jesus explains in John 5:28-29, “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth.” Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects: “they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There is no 1,000 years’ separation mentioned or hinted at in here.

Evidently there is only one resurrection albeit involving two separated aspects.

Agree. That the saved and lost are resurrected at the same time or hour is confirmed in these passages as well:

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

This indicates that many (a multitude) will be resurrected "at that time". Some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt. No indication there whatsoever that those who are resurrected to "everlasting life" are resurrected a long time before those who are resurrected "to shame and everlasting contempt".

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Again, we see that there will be "a resurrection of the dead". Not resurrections of the dead. One resurrection event that will include both "the just and unjust". Not two completely separate resurrection events separated by 1,000+ years.

 

[WPM]

No, I think it's talking about the future inheritance of the kingdom of God in its fullness. But, are you trying to distract from the fact that we are already rescued from spiritual darkness and have already been brought into the kingdom of Christ, as it says? Why is it that you won't even address that part? It's because of being part of Christ's kingdom now that we can look forward to inheriting the new heavens and new earth in the future in accordance with His second coming (2 Peter 3:13).

You are a true Berean!

 

[Ritajanice]

@David in NJ .

Just one more question Brother, we already have everlasting life, the moment we are Born Again?

KJVCompare
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
John 10:28-30Jesus

 

[WPM]

“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

There are 2 resurrection - the first spiritual, the second physical. Do you agree?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

Can you see the difference between that passage (John 5:24-25) and John 5:28-29 which only speaks of a coming hour when all who are in the graves will be resurrected and does not say "and is now here" like John 5:25 does? The reference to "the graves" is a clear reference to the bodily resurrection of the dead. John 5:24-25 is talking about going from being dead in sins to spiritually alive in Christ like we see in passages like this:

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

But, John 5:28-29 is clearly referring to the bodily resurrection of the dead at a coming hour when all who are in the graves are resurrected.