The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

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Spiritual Israelite

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JESUS contradicted Himself???
Of course not. Where are you getting that nonsense from? I certainly did not say that at all.

Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”

Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world.
If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews;
but now My kingdom is not from here.
Right. His kingdom is not worldly or earthly in nature, it's spiritual and heavenly in nature. It does not come with observation because it's a spiritual, heavenly kingdom. Do you deny that we are in His kingdom now?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Do you think we have not yet been delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Christ?
 
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◄ Romans 6 ►
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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
(2 Corinthians 4:7–18)
1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer? 3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection. 6We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. 7For anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him. 10The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. 13Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

The Wages of Sin
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not! 16Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to escalating wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.

20For when you were slaves to sin, you were free of obligation to righteousness. 21What fruit did you reap at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The outcome of those things is death. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

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That passage is talking about the resurrection of the dead in Christ. No one here is saying that has already happened. Stop wasting time with your straw man arguments. You have to wonder how you can possibly discern scripture when you can't even discern what others believe.
That is the discussion.The. resurection.of the dead in Christ.
 
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It is amazing, you describe yourself in all your attacks. It is called projection!
He says I'm ignoring the passages he brought up after he ignored the passage I brought up. Seems rather hypocritical. Why should I have to address his passages before he addresses mine when I brought up mine first? So many people here expect their arguments to be addressed while they don't bother addressing other's arguments.
 
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Of course not. Where are you getting that nonsense from? I certainly did not say that at all.


Right. His kingdom is not worldly or earthly in nature, it's spiritual and heavenly in nature. It does not come with observation because it's a spiritual, heavenly kingdom. Do you deny that we are in His kingdom now?

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Do you think we have not yet been delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Christ?
Do you deny that we are in His kingdom now?
SEE Post 165 and i expect a 'Heart of Love' on that one from you.

Do you think we have not yet been delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of Christ?
SEE Post 165 Again
 

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Was he not talking about spiritual resurrection which is a requirement for the physical resurrection of the just in the future?
The first resurection is of them who are beheaded for their witness of Jesus.
I'm asking him who beheaded him.
 
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How many people will enter His Kingdom and at what hour?

If you can answer this you are smarter then God!

So i will make the question down here at our level.

At what hour does a person come to CHRIST to be Born-Again by the Spirit of God?

Surely you know the answer!!
All His elect! The righteous are raised and judged when Jesus comes and ushered to their eternal abode. There are no wicked or mortals to populate some imaginary future millennium.
 

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◄ Romans 6 ►
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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
(2 Corinthians 4:7–18)
1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer? 3Or aren’t you aware that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.

5For if we have been united with Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with Him in His resurrection. 6We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin. 7For anyone who has died has been freed from sin.

8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with Him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again; death no longer has dominion over Him. 10The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. 13Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

The Wages of Sin
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not! 16Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you once were slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were committed. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to escalating wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness.

20For when you were slaves to sin, you were free of obligation to righteousness. 21What fruit did you reap at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The outcome of those things is death. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Is this what you truly believe???

AWESOME
 
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@David in NJ ..said.

At what hour does a person come to CHRIST to be Born-Again by the Spirit of God?


Hi David, no one knows the time/ place or day, when they will become Born Again by the Spirit Of God.

We don’t know how he births our spirit into his either....it’s a mystery.
 
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That is the discussion.The. resurection.of the dead in Christ.
That is not the only thing being discussed. Christ's resurrection, which scripture says was the first resurrection in order (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20) is also being discussed. No one is saying that the resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred, so don't slander others by falsely claiming that they believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ has already happened. If you're not able to understand what others believe then you have no business trying to debate against what you don't even understand. It just results in you making a fool of yourself by wasting your time with straw man arguments.
 

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All His elect! The righteous are raised and judged when Jesus comes and ushered to their eternal abode. There are no wicked or mortals to populate some imaginary future millennium.
At what hour does a man/woman become Born-Again by the Spirit of God?

Also - SEE Post 165
 
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The first resurection is of them who are beheaded for their witness of Jesus.
I'm asking him who beheaded him.
Not so! Premils avoid the most important resurrection to let their opinion fit. There is one literal first resurrection where Christ defeated the grave. The Bible makes it clear that Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5).
 
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@David in NJ ..said.

At what hour does a person come to CHRIST to be Born-Again by the Spirit of God?


Hi David, no one knows the time/ place or day, when they will become Born Again by the Spirit Of God.

We don’t know how he births our spirit into his either....it’s a mystery.
Good Afternoon @Ritajanice,

All true when we are speaking of a 24 hour day, 7 day week, 365 days a year.

My question is this in Light of John 5:28
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice

At what hour(John 5:28) is a person Born-Again by the Spirit of God?
 

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So, you have decided to rip Colossians 1:12-13 out of your Bible? Or you just refuse to acknowledge its existence? You don't think we've been rescued from the power of darkness and been brought into the kingdom of Christ even though Paul says we have? Why do you not care what Paul taught?
The fact that we have been brought into the Kingdom of Christ is through Him being in us and us in Him by His Spirit coming to dwell in those who belong to Him, as He promised. Colossians 1:12-13 has nothing to do with the coming Kingdom of Christ - that gospel which is still currently being preached in all the world as a witness to all nations

- at least, it had nothing to do with the coming Kingdom of Christ until Amillennialists decided to change it's meaning in such a way as to force it to be isolated from all other verses talking about the Kingdom of Christ and hence comply with Amil theology.

@Spiritual Israelite what is the inheritance of Christ and of His saints who are in Him who belong TO Him that the same chapter starts talking about? An inheritance we already have?
 
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That is not the only thing being discussed. Christ's resurrection, which scripture says was the first resurrection in order (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20) is also being discussed. No one is saying that the resurrection of the dead in Christ has already occurred, so don't slander others by falsely claiming that they believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ has already happened. If you're not able to understand what others believe then you have no business trying to debate against what you don't even understand. It just results in you making a fool of yourself by wasting your time with straw man arguments.
According to the word of God. The he first resurection is of them who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus and who did not worship the beast or it's image nor received its mark.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



So you agree you have not been resurected in this first resurrection?
 

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Not so! Premils avoid the most important resurrection to let their opinion fit. There is one literal first resurrection where Christ defeated the grave. The Bible makes it clear that Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5).
No,the word of God says this is the first resurection.


Revelation.20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Are you saying you was resurected before this first resurrection?
If so,how did you die?Were you also beheaded or were you crucified like Jesus?
 
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The moment they are saved.
Attention @Ritajanice

Therefore, we are living in the 'Hour' of His POWER of Resurrection unto Eternal Life = FIRST thru being Born-Again.

Just as the Apostle John wrote: 1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Can you @WPM SEE the Evidence of Corroborative Scripture TRUTH between John 5:28 and 1 John 2:18-19???
 

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None of this addresses the passage I used to back up my claim. Why is that? Would you rather just ignore it?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Do you deny that we have been rescued from the dominion of darkness and brought into the kingdom of Christ? He said His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), but what you're saying contradicts that because you say His kingdom will come with observation and will be of this world. Does that matter to you that what you're saying does not line up with what it says in passages like Colossians 1:12-13, Luke 17:20 and John 18:36? The kingdom He reigns over now is not a wordly kingdom that came with observation. He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes (1 Cor 15:22-24) and then the kingdom will be one that can be observed and will encompass the entire new heavens and new earth.
What's the inheritance the passage starts speaking about in Col 1:12? Something we already have?
 
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@David in NJ ...said.

My question is this in Light of John 5:28
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice

At what hour(John 5:28) is a person Born-Again by the Spirit of God?


RJ says, I don’t understand any of this, if it’s Gods will, you will bring me to it’s understanding I pray David.

Please explain more, my ears are listening.

David posted.

they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.


RJ asks, we’re they of the Antichrist?