The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

[Timtofly]

God, the Creator of the universe, is perfectly capable of taking your ashes and changing them into an immortal body. That will be no problem for Him.

Sorry but God's permanent incorruptible physical body is made in heaven by God, not from dust of the earth. No dust is going to be reconstituted for those with the second birth. They have already passed from death to life, and are only waiting for the soul to leave this dead body, made of human hands, genetically passed down from generation to generation.

Why do you all keep ignoring 2 Corinthians 5:1?

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

This verse does not say God uses the ashes from the old body.

God is perfectly capable, but that is not what this verse states.

Even at the rapture which is not a resurrection BTW; the soul changes bodies. But let's say the soul is resurrected out of the old into the new, that is the first resurrection. And it is still physical from one body to the other. Can you quote one verse that explicitly states the old dust is turned into a new physical body, after thousands of years?

You claim the first resurrection has to be spiritual because of blah, blah, blah, human reasoning that one needs the first resurrection to be free of the second death. One does not need the first resurrection. If one has experienced the first resurrection they are blessed. If one experiences the second birth, they are blessed, but Jesus said in John 3, ye must have the second birth to avoid the second death. No verse says one has to have the first resurrection to avoid the second death.

What was necessary was the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lamb of God. No man born from Adam could just die as the Lamb of God. Only God coming in human flesh could be the Lamb of God.

Why do you think, reason, and add to Scripture that a first resurrection of a human is necessary? What do you think a physical resurrection is, if not the first and only time a human is physically resurrected? As God, Jesus did not even need a physical, first resurrection, but yet Jesus was indeed physically resurrected, and that was a first resurrection. To say that all in Christ will also have a first resurrection, just like the physical resurrection of Jesus does not violate nor contradict any Scripture, so why is that view unreasonable to you?

 

[Timtofly]

And this shows your unwillingness to submit to ALL that JESUS Says:

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Why are you rejecting that this MUST FIRST take Place BEFORE you can be part of Rev 20:4-6

Why are you rejecting that JESUS Says that HE ALONE is the Resurrection: "I am the Resurrection"

Why are you rejecting that JESUS is the FIRST FRUITS which is the FIRST Resurrection of those who have died

Do you understand this:
7Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

The whole reason you are wrong, is that these beheaded are beheaded after the Second Coming.

You have them beheaded prior to the Second Coming, which is impossible.

Did you know that only God can birth you into God's family, not you?

If those people who will be beheaded had the second birth, they would not even be on the earth to be beheaded. That is your erroneous assumption they will have the second birth prior to them being beheaded.

You are just as wrong as the Amil in this thread to say they lived and reigned with Christ prior to being beheaded. They did not. They could only live and reign with Christ, and as you put it, be in Christ, which is not even relevant in the Millennial Kingdom, until after they received the first resurrection. The second birth will never apply to them, because the second birth was irrelevant after the Second Coming. The church had already been glorified, restored as complete sons of God, before these people were even beheaded. They would never be part of that group, unless something changes in the NHNE that is not found in Scripture.

Those beheaded are never said to be restored as sons of God, which the second birth does make a son of Adam, a son of God. You claim they become sons of God after standing in Judgment. But that is not expressed nor implied. They were never given robes of white, but only a physical resurrection.

Yes, they were killed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That is the result of chopping one's head off. But even those currently in sheol are no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and neither are they redeemed. Being out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is not necessarily redemption. A soul destroyed in sheol is still physically and spiritually dead. The problem is that you lump these beheaded into one common group, when they are stuck on earth for at least another thousand years, and still separated from their spirit, thus still spiritually dead. They will not be tossed into the LOF, because they cannot even sin to be placed into death, or the LOF. Unless you want to add that to Scripture and claim they can physically die again and be tossed into the LOF, even though Scripture says they are blessed and cannot do anything to change that fact, which would eventually place them into the LOF, the second death. Being exempt from the LOF, implies they literally cannot do anything to change that fact. They cannot even try to be sinless or try to sin. They are redeemed because they have the first resurrection, not because they have the second birth.

 

[ChristinaL]

From What does Daniel 9:27 mean? | BibleRef.com

The angel Gabriel (Daniel 9:21–23) predicted the arrival of the Messiah, using an anchor point in history. His message indicated sixty-nine "groups of seven," to begin with a decree about rebuilding Jerusalem, and ending with the arrival and sudden "cut[ting] off" of the promised Anointed One (Daniel 9:25–26). Using simplified prophetic "years," this adds up to 173,880 days. Artaxerxes Longimanus made an edict allowing Israelites to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1–8) on March 4, 444 BC. Jesus likely made His triumphal entry (Matthew 21:9–11) into Jerusalem on March 30, AD 33. The difference between those two dates is exactly 173,880 days.

After this comes a gap. The counting of "weeks" will begin again with the arrival of a destroying ruler. This person will make some contract with Israel. However, in the middle of this seven-year agreement, the leader will turn against them, forbidding worship and insisting they bow to him, instead (Revelation 13:11–15). Jesus predicted a partial fulfillment of this event as "the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place" (Matthew 24:15).

However, the desolator will not be allowed to continue his evil works indefinitely. The Lord will pour out His judgment on him (Revelation 19:11–21). Christ will return, destroy the armies of the desolator and the false prophet, and cast these two evil henchmen alive into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20).

Context Summary
Daniel 9:24–27 is a divine look into the future. This is the Lord's timetable for making all things right pertaining to Israel. It comes in response to Daniel's heartfelt prayers on behalf of his people (Daniel 9:3–19). What's recorded in this passage is among the more important and often-examined prophecies in all of Scripture. This section includes famous references to the "seventy weeks" which relate to the appearance of the Messiah and to the schedule of the end times.

 

[ChristinaL]

The whole reason you are wrong, is that these beheaded are beheaded after the Second Coming.

You have them beheaded prior to the Second Coming, which is impossible.

Did you know that only God can birth you into God's family, not you?

If those people who will be beheaded had the second birth, they would not even be on the earth to be beheaded. That is your erroneous assumption they will have the second birth prior to them being beheaded.

You are just as wrong as the Amil in this thread to say they lived and reigned with Christ prior to being beheaded. They did not. They could only live and reign with Christ, and as you put it, be in Christ, which is not even relevant in the Millennial Kingdom, until after they received the first resurrection. The second birth will never apply to them, because the second birth was irrelevant after the Second Coming. The church had already been glorified, restored as complete sons of God, before these people were even beheaded. They would never be part of that group, unless something changes in the NHNE that is not found in Scripture.

Those beheaded are never said to be restored as sons of God, which the second birth does make a son of Adam, a son of God. You claim they become sons of God after standing in Judgment. But that is not expressed nor implied. They were never given robes of white, but only a physical resurrection.

Yes, they were killed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. That is the result of chopping one's head off. But even those currently in sheol are no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and neither are they redeemed. Being out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is not necessarily redemption. A soul destroyed in sheol is still physically and spiritually dead. The problem is that you lump these beheaded into one common group, when they are stuck on earth for at least another thousand years, and still separated from their spirit, thus still spiritually dead. They will not be tossed into the LOF, because they cannot even sin to be placed into death, or the LOF. Unless you want to add that to Scripture and claim they can physically die again and be tossed into the LOF, even though Scripture says they are blessed and cannot do anything to change that fact, which would eventually place them into the LOF, the second death. Being exempt from the LOF, implies they literally cannot do anything to change that fact. They cannot even try to be sinless or try to sin. They are redeemed because they have the first resurrection, not because they have the second birth.

Those beheaded are killed during the 7 years under reign of antichrist.....or is your idea of the second coming when Christ comes for us at the pre trib rapture? Cuz Christ comes back and He reclaims His righteous dead only at the end of the 7 years

 

[David in NJ]

From What does Daniel 9:27 mean? | BibleRef.com

The angel Gabriel (Daniel 9:21–23) predicted the arrival of the Messiah, using an anchor point in history. His message indicated sixty-nine "groups of seven," to begin with a decree about rebuilding Jerusalem, and ending with the arrival and sudden "cut[ting] off" of the promised Anointed One (Daniel 9:25–26). Using simplified prophetic "years," this adds up to 173,880 days. Artaxerxes Longimanus made an edict allowing Israelites to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 2:1–8) on March 4, 444 BC. Jesus likely made His triumphal entry (Matthew 21:9–11) into Jerusalem on March 30, AD 33. The difference between those two dates is exactly 173,880 days.

After this comes a gap. The counting of "weeks" will begin again with the arrival of a destroying ruler. This person will make some contract with Israel. However, in the middle of this seven-year agreement, the leader will turn against them, forbidding worship and insisting they bow to him, instead (Revelation 13:11–15). Jesus predicted a partial fulfillment of this event as "the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place" (Matthew 24:15).

However, the desolator will not be allowed to continue his evil works indefinitely. The Lord will pour out His judgment on him (Revelation 19:11–21). Christ will return, destroy the armies of the desolator and the false prophet, and cast these two evil henchmen alive into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20).

Context Summary
Daniel 9:24–27 is a divine look into the future. This is the Lord's timetable for making all things right pertaining to Israel. It comes in response to Daniel's heartfelt prayers on behalf of his people (Daniel 9:3–19). What's recorded in this passage is among the more important and often-examined prophecies in all of Scripture. This section includes famous references to the "seventy weeks" which relate to the appearance of the Messiah and to the schedule of the end times.

Daniel 9:24-27 is a divine look into the future.

COMPLTELY FALSE
a product of man-made damnable dispensational heresy

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ONLY the last 3.5 years remain to be fulfilled.

Read Daniel 9:24-27 again and again

MESSIAH is 'cut-off' AFTER the 69th week

THINK THINK THINK = GOSPEL GOSPEL GOSPEL

 

[ewq1938]

Those beheaded are killed during the 7 years under reign of antichrist.....or is your idea of the second coming when Christ comes for us at the pre trib rapture? Cuz Christ comes back and He reclaims His righteous dead only at the end of the 7 years

The beast/Ac only has a total of 3.5 years, not 7. Christ told us the trib would be shortened so now we know it was cut in half. There isn't two halves of the trib, just the one half.

 

[Timtofly]

Those beheaded are killed during the 7 years under reign of antichrist.....or is your idea of the second coming when Christ comes for us at the pre trib rapture? Cuz Christ comes back and He reclaims His righteous dead only at the end of the 7 years

Jesus is on the earth with His angels during Jacob's Trouble, which is the first 6 Trumpets.

There is no 7 year period mentioned anywhere in Scripture as an end time series of events. Jesus is the 70th week. For 3.5 years Jesus was the Messiah. Then He was cut off, by ascending to heaven, and will return as the Prince to come. The last 3.5 years, Jesus will be on earth as the Prince of Israel sitting on a throne in Jerusalem per Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations."

So yes, at the 5th and 6th Seal, the church is raptured and Jesus returns as Prince to the Mount of Olives. The 7th Trumpet is the end of the 70th week. Billions of people still alive on earth who will be judged by Jesus for however long God has determined.

Satan and the FP are given 42 months after the 7th Trumpet has sounded as an extension of time. It is only during those 42 months that people receive the mark and are beheaded. And the only reason time is extended, is if there are any who will be beheaded after the final harvest of Matthew 25 and Matthew 13.

The angels are not mentioned in Revelation 19. The Second Coming is when Jesus and the angels come to earth per Matthew 24, Matthew 25, Matthew 13, Revelation 6, at the 6th Seal, and Paul says the angels do the gathering as well.

Revelation 19 is after the 42 months, and only those with the mark are left still alive on the earth. All the rest of humanity have the mark and are gathered at Armageddon. That is the winepress of God's wrath. That is the end of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. All, over 8 billion people will have been removed by the angels during the Trumpets and Thunders, the final harvest. Unless there are some beheaded, those 42 months given to Satan will never happen.

The 7th Trumpet is a week of days. The same week of days mentioned in Daniel 9:27. God will confirm the Atonement Covenant with the many who are left to see if any will be beheaded. If God tells Jesus no one is left, then Satan will not even get 42 months, nor will there be an Armageddon, or Jesus returning on white horses. The only reason why Jesus leaves after the final harvest, is because He does not co-reign with Satan, and those beheaded have to decide for themselves to be beheaded. The angels will not be doing the gathering of those beheaded. That is a decision each individual has to make, not forced upon them.


The time of Jacob's trouble will not last for 3.5 years if those days are shortened. Jesus will gather those of Jacob, and separate them as sheep and goats via the angels. The sheep will be the one third remnant. The goats tossed into the LOF. Then during the 7 Thunders all the Gentiles will be separated as wheat from tares, and the tares will be tossed into the LOF. The wheat and the sheep are redeemed and changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, but do not go to Paradise. They are the firstfruits, the first generation of those living on the earth for a thousand years. God does not need those who will be beheaded. God is just willing to extend time for those who would choose to be beheaded instead of receiving the mark. But if time is extended then whoever is beheaded will stand in judgment after Armageddon and will then be redeemed as firstfruits of the Millennial Kingdom. If Satan is allowed 42 months the sheep and wheat will be those on white horses returning to the earth.

The first resurrection only applies to those beheaded after the 7th Trumpet has sounded, as an actual physical resurrection. But the first resurrection can even address those raptured as they still have to leave this body of death, for a physical body of life. The sheep and wheat are never physically without a body, but they are changed just like the raptured church. Jesus told us in both Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 that He Himself is personally on the earth redeeming many, both of Israel and every Gentile nation. While the angels are the means of transportation, it is Jesus Himself who determines who gets everlasting life and who gets the second death then and there. That is why the church is not on the earth past the 5th Seal. Because the church still has to wait in Paradise until the final harvest is over. The church will still be waiting in Paradise until the thousand years are over. That should not be that hard. The OT redeemed have been waiting in Paradise for almost 1995 years.

The only action that happens in the 5th Seal is the church putting on white robes. That can only happen at one time and one event in all of current creation. That is being glorified, a fully restored son of God: soul, body, and spirit. Since those in the millennium will have a soul and physical body, the putting on of white robes only leaves one thing, the putting on of the spirit to be a complete son of God.

Once fully restored, they are told to wait until the rest of the redeemed are physically changed, that is removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those on earth during the Millennium are not glorified, nor restored as sons of God, but sin and decay and natural death have been removed, just as Daniel 9:24 promised. So the church is told to wait for the final harvest, not wait for any more people to be glorified and restored as sons of God. Redemption on earth will be complete, because the curse and punishment of sin will be removed. This is a Sabbath of rest after 6 days of Adam's punishment placed on creation, and mankind in general.

So yes, in order for the final harvest to even take place which most call the GT or some call a 7 year period, the final harvest can only start and take place after Jesus and the angels are physically on the earth. And when Jesus comes to earth, the church will be removed as no longer necessary to be on the earth, until the church returns as the New Jerusalem. And that is not in this creation, but the next creation.

And Revelation 19 may or may not happen until the final harvest is over, and the 7th Trumpet has sounded, and God confirms the Covenant with those still alive on the earth. Thus, Revelation 19 cannot be the Second Coming, as Jesus would have already been declared King of the earth, and would have yielded that throne to Satan 42 months prior to the battle of Armageddon.

 

[Timtofly]

The beast/Ac only has a total of 3.5 years, not 7. Christ told us the trib would be shortened so now we know it was cut in half. There isn't two halves of the trib, just the one half.

The 3.5 years are shortened, so could be as short as 5 months of torment when the first woe is unleashed on mankind.

Satan's 42 months is not time cut in half. Those 42 months is time added after the 7th Trumpet if there are any humans who choose to be beheaded. Only God will know when the 7th Trumpet sounds, if any are left or not.

If the final harvest is as short as it can get, perhaps that would mean that there would not be any left to be beheaded. Either the rapture removed a vast majority, or no one was left who would even choose redemption, as the church was so apostate, the gospel had been silenced.

Those post final harvest people, need to read the book of Ruth and figure out what the gleanings are. The gleanings are the left overs. If there is a tremendous harvest of 99.99% there are no leftovers to glean.

Ruth was not the church. Ruth the kinsman redeemed picking the gleanings after the final harvest. There will still be many sheep and wheat, whom the church failed, but Jesus as the kinsman redeemer will still gather as the firstfruits of the Millennial Kingdom. Those beheaded are the really really left behind, but not totally forsaken. If there is just one who chooses, Satan still gets 42 months, for that one whom God still redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb.

But the church is removed first, because the church is the main crop prior to any gleaning, and cannot be left in the field as a final harvest, nor a gleaning. The church will not be on the earth during the Day of the Lord. Only the final harvest will be the first generation of the Millennial Kingdom. Along with those beheaded if that is the outcome of the 7th Trumpet.

 

[ChristinaL]

Jesus is on the earth with His angels during Jacob's Trouble, which is the first 6 Trumpets.

There is no 7 year period mentioned anywhere in Scripture as an end time series of events. Jesus is the 70th week. For 3.5 years Jesus was the Messiah. Then He was cut off, by ascending to heaven, and will return as the Prince to come. The last 3.5 years, Jesus will be on earth as the Prince of Israel sitting on a throne in Jerusalem per Matthew 25:31

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations."

So yes, at the 5th and 6th Seal, the church is raptured and Jesus returns as Prince to the Mount of Olives. The 7th Trumpet is the end of the 70th week. Billions of people still alive on earth who will be judged by Jesus for however long God has determined.

Satan and the FP are given 42 months after the 7th Trumpet has sounded as an extension of time. It is only during those 42 months that people receive the mark and are beheaded. And the only reason time is extended, is if there are any who will be beheaded after the final harvest of Matthew 25 and Matthew 13.

The angels are not mentioned in Revelation 19. The Second Coming is when Jesus and the angels come to earth per Matthew 24, Matthew 25, Matthew 13, Revelation 6, at the 6th Seal, and Paul says the angels do the gathering as well.

Revelation 19 is after the 42 months, and only those with the mark are left still alive on the earth. All the rest of humanity have the mark and are gathered at Armageddon. That is the winepress of God's wrath. That is the end of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. All, over 8 billion people will have been removed by the angels during the Trumpets and Thunders, the final harvest. Unless there are some beheaded, those 42 months given to Satan will never happen.

The 7th Trumpet is a week of days. The same week of days mentioned in Daniel 9:27. God will confirm the Atonement Covenant with the many who are left to see if any will be beheaded. If God tells Jesus no one is left, then Satan will not even get 42 months, nor will there be an Armageddon, or Jesus returning on white horses. The only reason why Jesus leaves after the final harvest, is because He does not co-reign with Satan, and those beheaded have to decide for themselves to be beheaded. The angels will not be doing the gathering of those beheaded. That is a decision each individual has to make, not forced upon them.


The time of Jacob's trouble will not last for 3.5 years if those days are shortened. Jesus will gather those of Jacob, and separate them as sheep and goats via the angels. The sheep will be the one third remnant. The goats tossed into the LOF. Then during the 7 Thunders all the Gentiles will be separated as wheat from tares, and the tares will be tossed into the LOF. The wheat and the sheep are redeemed and changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh, but do not go to Paradise. They are the firstfruits, the first generation of those living on the earth for a thousand years. God does not need those who will be beheaded. God is just willing to extend time for those who would choose to be beheaded instead of receiving the mark. But if time is extended then whoever is beheaded will stand in judgment after Armageddon and will then be redeemed as firstfruits of the Millennial Kingdom. If Satan is allowed 42 months the sheep and wheat will be those on white horses returning to the earth.

The first resurrection only applies to those beheaded after the 7th Trumpet has sounded, as an actual physical resurrection. But the first resurrection can even address those raptured as they still have to leave this body of death, for a physical body of life. The sheep and wheat are never physically without a body, but they are changed just like the raptured church. Jesus told us in both Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 that He Himself is personally on the earth redeeming many, both of Israel and every Gentile nation. While the angels are the means of transportation, it is Jesus Himself who determines who gets everlasting life and who gets the second death then and there. That is why the church is not on the earth past the 5th Seal. Because the church still has to wait in Paradise until the final harvest is over. The church will still be waiting in Paradise until the thousand years are over. That should not be that hard. The OT redeemed have been waiting in Paradise for almost 1995 years.

The only action that happens in the 5th Seal is the church putting on white robes. That can only happen at one time and one event in all of current creation. That is being glorified, a fully restored son of God: soul, body, and spirit. Since those in the millennium will have a soul and physical body, the putting on of white robes only leaves one thing, the putting on of the spirit to be a complete son of God.

Once fully restored, they are told to wait until the rest of the redeemed are physically changed, that is removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those on earth during the Millennium are not glorified, nor restored as sons of God, but sin and decay and natural death have been removed, just as Daniel 9:24 promised. So the church is told to wait for the final harvest, not wait for any more people to be glorified and restored as sons of God. Redemption on earth will be complete, because the curse and punishment of sin will be removed. This is a Sabbath of rest after 6 days of Adam's punishment placed on creation, and mankind in general.

So yes, in order for the final harvest to even take place which most call the GT or some call a 7 year period, the final harvest can only start and take place after Jesus and the angels are physically on the earth. And when Jesus comes to earth, the church will be removed as no longer necessary to be on the earth, until the church returns as the New Jerusalem. And that is not in this creation, but the next creation.

And Revelation 19 may or may not happen until the final harvest is over, and the 7th Trumpet has sounded, and God confirms the Covenant with those still alive on the earth. Thus, Revelation 19 cannot be the Second Coming, as Jesus would have already been declared King of the earth, and would have yielded that throne to Satan 42 months prior to the battle of Armageddon.

NO. Jesus is not the 70th week, the 70th week is the rule of antichrist. It has NOT YET HAPPENED - I am not responding to the last of that because likely others have corrected you on that and you arent listening to them either

 

[ChristinaL]

The beast/Ac only has a total of 3.5 years, not 7. Christ told us the trib would be shortened so now we know it was cut in half. There isn't two halves of the trib, just the one half.

Dan 9:27. 7 years. Dan 12:11-12, 7 years plus an extra 75 days, which commentators dont seem to be quite certain about. Rev 12 mentions 3-1/2 years twice. That was intentional because there is a division between the Tribulation and Great Tribulation. That also explains Dan 9:27 as well where it speaks of the worst of the destruction happening after the first 3-1/2 years

 

[David in NJ]

NO. Jesus is not the 70th week, the 70th week is the rule of antichrist. It has NOT YET HAPPENED - I am not responding to the last of that because likely others have corrected you on that and you arent listening to them either

Jesus is not the 70th week, the 70th week is the rule of antichrist.

That is exactly what the spirit of antichrist wants you to believe!

It has NOT YET HAPPENED

From the mouth of unbelieving men

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BELIEVE only what comes from the Mouth of God = Matt 4:4

Daniel 9:24 = GOSPEL

No one could be SAVED if Daniel 9:24 was not fulfilled by MESSIAH

Read and BELIEVE every word from God = Read Hebrews

 

[tailgator]

The difference between the first resurection and the general resurrection ,is the first resurection is of God's elect.It is the first fruits of the harvest.
The first fruits are gather by the harvesters and presented to the high priest in Jerusalem.
It is followed by a feast of the harvest and rest

The general harvest comes later.

 

[ewq1938]

Dan 9:27. 7 years. Dan 12:11-12, 7 years plus an extra 75 days, which commentators dont seem to be quite certain about.

The length was shortened according to Christ so it is a mistake to rely on the old time length.

Rev 12 mentions 3-1/2 years twice. That was intentional because there is a division between the Tribulation and Great Tribulation.

All the events of Rev 12 are BEFORE the trib starts. The 42 months/3.5 years of the actual trib starts in Rev 13.

 

[Timtofly]

NO. Jesus is not the 70th week, the 70th week is the rule of antichrist. It has NOT YET HAPPENED - I am not responding to the last of that because likely others have corrected you on that and you arent listening to them either

There is no Scripture stating any antichrist is given 7 years. Satan is given 42 months, and that is not guaranteed. You deny Jesus comes to earth, and sits in judgment. That means you are post trib.