The Coming Rapture

[Keraz]

Don’t people realize what a joke the rapture to heaven theory is? And Satan is delighted at how Christians argue over whether it going to be pre, mid or post!!!!!!!
For all of our lifetimes, this issue has been discussed, argued over, even fought over. Innumerable books, movies, etc, are made about it and still no consensus about when it could happen. There is no Bible verse that says God will take living people to heaven, but those who promote a rapture say; It is there, you just can't see it! Sorry, I can't see it because it isn't there!

There is a huge deception going on here. People have believed false teachers, Paul said they would. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
And God has allowed those wolves to ravage His flock. So most of the Church is not aware of what God really does plan for our future. They are complacent and careless, which means when the hard times come, they won't have the strength of faith to stand firm. Luke 21:34-36

And don't think ‘escape all these things’, means a rapture, because that idea is pure assumption and conflicts with scriptures as above. It means protection, as many Prophesies confirm.

 

[mailmandan]

Who said anything about saving ourselves??? View attachment 61070

Those living in sin after having once been saved have willingly and knowingly turned away from the Lord and have become corrupt.

Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

So called "once saved always saved" is false doctrine not supported by God's Word View attachment 61072

Those who seek salvation by works and/or maintaining salvation based on the merits of their performance are seeking to help save themselves. In Hebrews 10:26, to sin willfully carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, habitual, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Hermeneutics.

Hebrews 10:26 (AMPC) - For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. Nothing there about being saved then turning away and losing salvation. That is your eisegesis.

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So, in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse (and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So, the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved in all cases, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

There seems to be no cure for your severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Don’t people realize what a joke the rapture to heaven theory is? And Satan is delighted at how Christians argue over whether it going to be pre, mid or post!!!!!!!
For all of our lifetimes, this issue has been discussed, argued over, even fought over. Innumerable books, movies, etc, are made about it and still no consensus about when it could happen. There is no Bible verse that says God will take living people to heaven, but those who promote a rapture say; It is there, you just can't see it! Sorry, I can't see it because it isn't there!

There is a huge deception going on here. People have believed false teachers, Paul said they would. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
And God has allowed those wolves to ravage His flock. So most of the Church is not aware of what God really does plan for our future. They are complacent and careless, which means when the hard times come, they won't have the strength of faith to stand firm. Luke 21:34-36

And don't think ‘escape all these things’, means a rapture, because that idea is pure assumption and conflicts with scriptures as above. It means protection, as many Prophesies confirm.

Maybe you think Jesus coming for his bride is a joke.
You most likely do since you know nothing about it.
Sad you are so decieved

 

[PinSeeker]

Look Jr.

LOL! Well that's an inferiority-complex remark if I ever heard one... <smile>

Take your little mess somewhere else.

And I might say the same to you... <chuckles> But hey, suit yourself.

Stop stalking me with your games.

No "games" on my part, for sure. I guess that's your way of saying "don't disagree with me," or "don't make my comments look stupid"...

Your posts addressed to me, EVERY SINGLE ONE, has your condescending nothing burger baloney in it

Back atcha. And I'm certainly not the only poster here to whom you... do what you do in addressing other posters as you do. Just such a lack of grace. And, you're not alone in that respect...

Nothing of substance.

Back atcha. Actually, I take that back; to you I would rather say nothing of good substance. Very little, anyway.

Off topic, and and juvenile stupidity attacks.

Back atcha. You just don't like the things you say being exposed for what they are. Which I understand; pride is certainly a real thing.

Get a life

<eye roll>

Get away from me jr.

<chuckles>

Grace and peace to you, Rebuilder. Especially grace.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Don’t people realize what a joke the rapture to heaven theory is? And Satan is delighted at how Christians argue over whether it going to be pre, mid or post!!!!!!!

There is no rapture to heaven, but there is a rapture to meet Jesus "in the air", so there is nothing wrong with showing that it is post-trib.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Look Jr.
Take your little mess somewhere else.
Stop stalking me with your games.
Your posts addressed to me, EVERY SINGLE ONE, has your condescending nothing burger baloney in it
Nothing of substance.
Off topic, and and juvenile stupidity attacks.

Get a life
Get away from me jr. .

Says the guy making a "juvenile stupidity attack".

 

[rebuilder 454]

Says the guy making a "juvenile stupidity attack".

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Lol
See your still stalking and wasting time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL! Well that's an inferiority-complex remark if I ever heard one... <smile>


And I might say the same to you... <chuckles> But hey, suit yourself.


No "games" on my part, for sure. I guess that's your way of saying "don't disagree with me," or "don't make my comments look stupid"...


Back atcha. And I'm certainly not the only poster here to whom you... do what you do in addressing other posters as you do. Just such a lack of grace. And, you're not alone in that respect...


Back atcha. Actually, I take that back; to you I would rather say nothing of good substance. Very little, anyway.


Back atcha. You just don't like the things you say being exposed for what they are. Which I understand; pride is certainly a real thing.


<eye roll>


<chuckles>

Grace and peace to you, Rebuilder. Especially grace.

Like I said get away from me.
Go play your little games with somebody else jr.
Get!
You little pest.
I am not here to play your stupid games.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Like I said get away from me.
Go play your little games with somebody else jr.
Get!
You little pest.
I am not here to play your stupid games.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There are people on this board that when debated, can't stand up.
They got to attack personally.
Then when push back happens they go even lower.
In SI 's defense I have seen him.make thoughtful posts.
But lately he just goes personal.
Sad.
He can't debate.
I have been here a few years , never put anyone on ignore.
SI is the first.
We will see if PinSeeker can stop his stupid games.
If not he goes to ignore .
If anyone has anything thoughtful and decent I am happy to engage.
But that SI groupie mess is brain dead .

 

[rebuilder 454]

Rename the thread the baby boys playpen.
Nothing resembling a debate.

 

[Keraz]

There is no rapture to heaven, but there is a rapture to meet Jesus "in the air", so there is nothing wrong with showing that it is post-trib.

Right, but to call what will happen, as per 1 Thess 4:16017, a 'rapture', causes confusion.
That catching up, is just a transportation - from wherever we Christan's are; to where Jesus will be; in Jerusalem.

Posters here should remember that this is an international forum and childish antics by certain people, reflects very badly on them and their country.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Right, but to call what will happen, as per 1 Thess 4:16017, a 'rapture', causes confusion.

It shouldn't cause any confusion. People confuse themselves. Everyone can see that it talks about us being caught up to Him "in the air" and not to heaven. The word "rapture" does not mean "caught up to heaven" it just means being caught up to meet Christ.

That catching up, is just a transportation - from wherever we Christan's are; to where Jesus will be; in Jerusalem.

Now, you're doing the same kind of thing that they're doing, so you're no better than them. Nowhere does it say we are caught up and taken to Jerusalem just as it says nowhere that we are caught up and taken to heaven.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are people on this board that when debated, can't stand up.
They got to attack personally.

LOL. Says the guy who attacks others personally like when he says things like this:

Like I said get away from me.
Go play your little games with somebody else jr.
Get!
You little pest.
I am not here to play your stupid games.

Then when push back happens they go even lower.

Look in the mirror, hypocrite.

In SI 's defense I have seen him.make thoughtful posts.
But lately he just goes personal.

Wrong. As if you don't go personal? You are a total hypocrite.

He can't debate.

I can debate FAR better than you can as everyone here can see. I give coherent arguments to back up my claims while you just post random incoherent gibberish.

I have been here a few years , never put anyone on ignore.
SI is the first.

Which shows that when you are challenged you have no idea how to respond using scripture, so the only solution is to put me on ignore.

We will see if PinSeeker can stop his stupid games.
If not he goes to ignore .
If anyone has anything thoughtful and decent I am happy to engage.
But that SI groupie mess is brain dead .

And you say I use personal insults. Look at you, hypocrite.

 

[PinSeeker]

Like I said get away from me.

I don't care. <smile>

Go play your little games...

No "games"... unless you call disagreeing with you a "game"... <smile>

with somebody else jr.

Call me what you will. I literally don't care.

Get!

You little pest.

I am not here to play your stupid games.

Again, you will get no "games" from me. Ever. Hey, I get it; you're just here to be a petty little internet bully and troll. I mean yeah, suit yourself.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

There are people on this board that when debated, can't stand up.
They got to attack personally.
Then when push back happens they go even lower.

I agree, and one of them is you. The only thing you said in response to me, initally... with any sort of relevancy to what I had said... was, "
Uh no. You thoughouly tortured all that for doctrine sake. Very bad to do that." No effort was made on your part to engage me in any kind of discussion, much less debate. So regarding any kind of discussion regarding my fairly brief but thorough commentary on the sequence of the events of and subsequent to the return of Christ, Rebuilder, in Post 479, there has been absolutely no debate of any kind, and you have been absolutely nothing but a troll... and absolutely devoid of grace.

But hey, yeah, again:

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I don't care. <smile>

But, you have to care. He really, really wants you to get away from him.

Call me what you will. I literally don't care.

Okay, jr. I kid! <smile>

Again, you will get no "games" from me. Ever. Hey, I get it; you're just here to be a petty little internet bully and troll. I mean yeah, suit yourself.

That truly is his only purpose in being here. He complains about personal insults while making personal insults. It's hilariously hypocritical.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rename the thread the baby boys playpen.

How about rebuilder 454's playpen? Same thing.

Nothing resembling a debate.

LOL. As if you have any idea how to debate.

 

[Keraz]

Nowhere does it say we are caught up and taken to Jerusalem

But the Prophesy in Zechariah 14:4 does say Jerusalem is His destination and if we are gathered to Him at the glorious Return, then we will go with Him to Jerusalem and commence the Millenium.
THAT is the one and only 'Coming rapture'.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But the Prophesy in Zechariah 14:4 does say Jerusalem is His destination and if we are gathered to Him at the glorious Return, then we will go with Him to Jerusalem and commence the Millenium.
THAT is the one and only 'Coming rapture'.

Zechariah 14 can't possibly have anything to do with a time period after His return because that would mean that obsolete animal sacrifices would be reinstated (impossible - read Hebrews 8 to 10) which would suggest that Christ's "once for all" sacrifice wasn't sufficient. And it would mean that God would inexplicably require people to again go to Jerusalem to worship Him after making it so that people no longer had to do that because He wants people to worship Him in spirit and in truth instead (John 4:19-24).

Stop changing scripture. We will meet Jesus in the air for a reason and not one single Premill knows what that reason is. It's not so that we can then be taken to Jerusalem. In that case we would not be gathered to meet Jesus in the air, as scripture says, but would be gathered to meet Him in Jerusalem instead. We will meet Him in the air because the earth will be burned up when He comes, so it would not make sense to leave us on the earth while that is happening (2 Peter 3:10-12).