And in John 5, Jesus nails them down with also NOT believing the sacred scriptures even written down by Moses, so not only do they not believe in Christ, they also do not believe Moses and the OT scriptures. None of them are His people. They are the devils children and they seek to do the will of Satan.
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Ziggy
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So we should disregard Romans chapter 11 then?
I think you all think I'm arguing with ya, but I'm not.
There is a day when the branches that were broken off due to unbelief shall be grafted in again.
There are other branches that will never be grafted in again.
But you can't discount the origen of Christianity which has it's foundation in Judaism, which has it's foundation in Christ.
The Apostles themselves were Jews and they were "converted" to Christianity, not the other way around.
It's cyclical... and intertwined.
Christ called out for himself a people. Israel. Israel failed in that it had no faith and lived in unbelief. Agnostic if you will.
When Christ came to earth, he called out 12 disciples that were jews. This is the remnant.
God blessed this remnant and told them to go out and multiply.
Those that opposed them called them Christians. So being considered a Christian which in their eyes is a slang, are our enemies for the gospel sake.
So that the gospel could be spread not only to the lost sheep, but other sheep abroad.
That be us, who are not of the jews. Or of jewish heritage by physical birth.
And through faith in Christ we are grafted into the tree of life.
Romans chapter 11 tells us that at some point God will graft the ones who come to have faith back in.
God knows how to keep and tend his garden better than I do.
He's the master of tree surgery. Just like circumcision of the heart. We can see the physical but we can't see the spiritual operation by which God does these things.
The difference with the Judeo/Christian isn't in their faith in Jesus Christ. It's that they still continue under the law of Moses.
They see these, like the Holy Days and the feasts as blessings. But they also recognize the finished work of Christ on the cross.
They just haven't crossed over yet.
I believe these are much different than the Zionists, in that Zionists don't believe in Christ at all.
So I'm not disagreeing, I'm just explaining how I see a difference in the branches.
Much Love
Hugs
I think you all think I'm arguing with ya, but I'm not.
There is a day when the branches that were broken off due to unbelief shall be grafted in again.
There are other branches that will never be grafted in again.
But you can't discount the origen of Christianity which has it's foundation in Judaism, which has it's foundation in Christ.
The Apostles themselves were Jews and they were "converted" to Christianity, not the other way around.
It's cyclical... and intertwined.
Christ called out for himself a people. Israel. Israel failed in that it had no faith and lived in unbelief. Agnostic if you will.
When Christ came to earth, he called out 12 disciples that were jews. This is the remnant.
God blessed this remnant and told them to go out and multiply.
Those that opposed them called them Christians. So being considered a Christian which in their eyes is a slang, are our enemies for the gospel sake.
So that the gospel could be spread not only to the lost sheep, but other sheep abroad.
That be us, who are not of the jews. Or of jewish heritage by physical birth.
And through faith in Christ we are grafted into the tree of life.
Romans chapter 11 tells us that at some point God will graft the ones who come to have faith back in.
God knows how to keep and tend his garden better than I do.
He's the master of tree surgery. Just like circumcision of the heart. We can see the physical but we can't see the spiritual operation by which God does these things.
The difference with the Judeo/Christian isn't in their faith in Jesus Christ. It's that they still continue under the law of Moses.
They see these, like the Holy Days and the feasts as blessings. But they also recognize the finished work of Christ on the cross.
They just haven't crossed over yet.
I believe these are much different than the Zionists, in that Zionists don't believe in Christ at all.
So I'm not disagreeing, I'm just explaining how I see a difference in the branches.
Much Love
Hugs
God still has some among them as believers, some few did believe in Christ as will some yet to be born will believe in Christ.
Romans 11 is speaking to nations not individual people. The nation of Israel and the gentile nations broadly, not individually.
Refer to that hardness has come upon the jews, so the gospel went to the gentile nations and at the end after the fullness of the called gentiles believe, at the very end of the age, the gospel will go back to the jews.
Romans 10 clarifies also about the unbelieving jews and gentiles. And v20 is significant as to those who God calls, they find God as they were not seeking or asking for God, God did that.
And v16-17 also much significance as to why people believe.
And v18, The jews also heard the gospel, but did not believe in the gospel, this was of God's will, refer back to Romans 11. AND JOHN 12 that shows this was God's will, that they not believe in Christ. Notice, I highlighted this in purple, it is very important concept.
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John 12
These things Jesus spoke, and departed, and was hidden from them.
Who Has Believed Our Report?
37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
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Romans 10
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”
19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:
“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:
“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
21 But to Israel he says:
“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”
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Ziggy
Well-Known Member
I have heard it 2 ways.
1. is the lost tribes of Israel
and
2. The heathen I guess they were called or foreignors and strangers in the land.
And seeing Jesus sent his disciples to gather the lost sheep of Israel, and sent Paul to the Gentiles.
They must be different one from the other.
This is how I understand it.
I haven't studied the word Gentile.
Thank You
Hugs
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
So in another thread I'm working on, it is concerning John the Baptist and who the Holy Spirit is.
When John came preaching repentance for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand,
there are two groups which come to the river.
Those that hear and believe and are baptised, and the Sadusees and Pharisees that didn't believe but were trying to sneak in.
John called them a generation of vipers.
Who is God trying to provoke to jealousy?
Those jews that do believe and yet are not saved, or those who have been concluded in unbelief?
I'm learning..
thank you for your patience.
Much Love
Hugs
Downright Sinister!!
We need a way to exterminate these evil demon possessed...
Scientists Developing Controversial ‘Contagious Vaccines’ That Spread From Vaccinated to Unvaccinated
by Jamie White
Scientists are currently developing “self-spreading vaccines” aimed at infecting others from vaccinated to unvaccinated populations, according to National Geographic.
The “controversial” research by several groups of scientists are developing these “contagious” vaccines for Ebola, bovine tuberculosis, and Lassa fever in animals with the hopes these diseases will be less transmissible from animals to humans.
The vaccine would essentially be a genetically recombinant virus that infects anybody within a close enough proximity to the inoculated individual, so that one person could potentially spread the vaccine to many other unsuspecting people.
From National Geographic:
Imagine a cure that’s as contagious as the disease it fights—a vaccine that could replicate in a host’s body and spread to others nearby, quickly and easily protecting a whole population from microbial attacks. That’s the goal of several teams around the world who are reviving controversial research to develop self-spreading vaccines.
Researchers are currently developing self-spreading vaccines for Ebola, bovine tuberculosis, and Lassa fever, a viral disease spread by rats that causes upward of 300,000 infections annually in parts of West Africa. The approach could be expanded to target other zoonotic diseases, including rabies, West Nile virus, Lyme disease, and the plague.
Advocates for self-spreading vaccines say they could revolutionize public health by disrupting infectious disease spread among animals before a zoonotic spillover could occur—potentially preventing the next pandemic.
This emerging vaccine technology uses a cytomegalovirus (CMV), a group that belongs to the herpes family, which stays in the body for life and is species-specific.
The ethical implications of inoculating people without their expressed consent let alone knowledge is deeply troubling, and for that reason, field or laboratory studies of these vaccines have been extremely limited, with only one field test conducted in 1999 on rabbits:
…the research team captured 147 rabbits, placed microchips in their necks, administered the vaccine to about half of them, and released them all back into the wild. For the next 32 days, the vaccinated and unvaccinated rabbits lived as they normally did. When researchers recaptured micro-chipped rabbits that had not been vaccinated originally, they found that 56 percent of them had antibodies to both viruses, indicating that the vaccine had successfully spread from vaccinated to unvaccinated animals.
“Once you set something engineered and self-transmissible out into nature, you don’t know what happens to it and where it will go,” warned Jonas Sandbrink, a biosecurity researcher at the University of Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute.
“Even if you just start by setting it out into animal populations, part of the genetic elements might find their way back into humans.”
However, interest in the technology resurfaced in 2016, and new experiments are set to begin on the Lassa virus vaccine within the next year, but because of the “extremely high-risk and international nature of this work” and the “potentially irreversible” consequences, this experimental research faces numerous ethical and legal hurdles.
“We can’t even get people to take a vaccine in a global pandemic. The idea that you would be able to surreptitiously vaccinate the population with a virus without causing riots is just, you know, it’s stuff of fantasy. It will never be used in humans,” according to Alec Redwood, a principal research fellow at the University of Western Australia.
Nevertheless, Redwood insists that this dangerous technology should still be developed just in case it ever needs to be used on humans “if we need it.”
“You don’t need to be a Rhodes scholar to work out that people will be nervous about a disseminating viral vector. It’s a concept that will scare people,” Redwood said.
“The way that I like to think about it is that it may never be used, but it’s better to have something in the cupboard that can be used and is mature if we need it. And to say, ‘Let’s just not do this research because it’s too dangerous,’ to me, that makes no sense at all,” he added.
We need a way to exterminate these evil demon possessed...
Scientists Developing Controversial ‘Contagious Vaccines’ That Spread From Vaccinated to Unvaccinated
by Jamie White
Scientists are currently developing “self-spreading vaccines” aimed at infecting others from vaccinated to unvaccinated populations, according to National Geographic.
The “controversial” research by several groups of scientists are developing these “contagious” vaccines for Ebola, bovine tuberculosis, and Lassa fever in animals with the hopes these diseases will be less transmissible from animals to humans.
The vaccine would essentially be a genetically recombinant virus that infects anybody within a close enough proximity to the inoculated individual, so that one person could potentially spread the vaccine to many other unsuspecting people.
From National Geographic:
Imagine a cure that’s as contagious as the disease it fights—a vaccine that could replicate in a host’s body and spread to others nearby, quickly and easily protecting a whole population from microbial attacks. That’s the goal of several teams around the world who are reviving controversial research to develop self-spreading vaccines.
Researchers are currently developing self-spreading vaccines for Ebola, bovine tuberculosis, and Lassa fever, a viral disease spread by rats that causes upward of 300,000 infections annually in parts of West Africa. The approach could be expanded to target other zoonotic diseases, including rabies, West Nile virus, Lyme disease, and the plague.
Advocates for self-spreading vaccines say they could revolutionize public health by disrupting infectious disease spread among animals before a zoonotic spillover could occur—potentially preventing the next pandemic.
This emerging vaccine technology uses a cytomegalovirus (CMV), a group that belongs to the herpes family, which stays in the body for life and is species-specific.
The ethical implications of inoculating people without their expressed consent let alone knowledge is deeply troubling, and for that reason, field or laboratory studies of these vaccines have been extremely limited, with only one field test conducted in 1999 on rabbits:
…the research team captured 147 rabbits, placed microchips in their necks, administered the vaccine to about half of them, and released them all back into the wild. For the next 32 days, the vaccinated and unvaccinated rabbits lived as they normally did. When researchers recaptured micro-chipped rabbits that had not been vaccinated originally, they found that 56 percent of them had antibodies to both viruses, indicating that the vaccine had successfully spread from vaccinated to unvaccinated animals.
“Once you set something engineered and self-transmissible out into nature, you don’t know what happens to it and where it will go,” warned Jonas Sandbrink, a biosecurity researcher at the University of Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute.
“Even if you just start by setting it out into animal populations, part of the genetic elements might find their way back into humans.”
However, interest in the technology resurfaced in 2016, and new experiments are set to begin on the Lassa virus vaccine within the next year, but because of the “extremely high-risk and international nature of this work” and the “potentially irreversible” consequences, this experimental research faces numerous ethical and legal hurdles.
“We can’t even get people to take a vaccine in a global pandemic. The idea that you would be able to surreptitiously vaccinate the population with a virus without causing riots is just, you know, it’s stuff of fantasy. It will never be used in humans,” according to Alec Redwood, a principal research fellow at the University of Western Australia.
Nevertheless, Redwood insists that this dangerous technology should still be developed just in case it ever needs to be used on humans “if we need it.”
“You don’t need to be a Rhodes scholar to work out that people will be nervous about a disseminating viral vector. It’s a concept that will scare people,” Redwood said.
“The way that I like to think about it is that it may never be used, but it’s better to have something in the cupboard that can be used and is mature if we need it. And to say, ‘Let’s just not do this research because it’s too dangerous,’ to me, that makes no sense at all,” he added.
And so why is the term gentiles NOT applied to (Khazarian) fake modern Jews and only applied to every one else - even all believers in Christ? Are we heathens and foreigners to Abraham and our Father in heaven?
"Those Jews that do believe and yet are not saved, or those who have been concluded in unbelief?"
Wont be any Jews that do believe and are not saved, maybe phrase it more like, those Jews that will become believers, but are not yet saved. God foreknows those who are His, those who will believe.
I think this jealousy question can cut both ways, to provoke some to be saved, but others will be jealous and also angry, such as this
"I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
The foolish nations would be the holy nation of believers, which to the unsaved is foolishness.
Some relevant jealousy verses
- Romans 10:19
But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Romans 11:11
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Romans 11:14
if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
1 Corinthians 1:21-23
New King James Version
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Because I believe they are devils. And their name is Legion for they are many.
I don't think they fall under any catagory Jew or Gentile.
IDK..
As far as Abraham goes, those which are of faith are Abrahams seed and co heirs of the kingdom.
Those who are of faith are neither Jew nor Gentile but are one in Jesus.
Hugs
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Live Updates: Shocking Video Reportedly Shows Ukrainians Shooting & Torturing Russian POWs
Infowars.com
https://www.twitch.tv/banneddotvideo
Shocking video from Ukraine purportedly shows Ukrainian forces shooting and torturing Russian prisoners of war, prompting several journalists to call for an official investigation into these potential war crimes.
Warning: the following videos are graphic and viewer discretion is advised:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975823290216448
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975846384082945
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975823290216448
https://twitter.com/i/status/1508010736269750279
In this age of censorship and propaganda from all sides of the Ukraine-Russia conflict, it’s more important than ever to facilitate a free flow of information with videos, reports, and data points from every perspective. Only then can you truly inform yourself about what’s happening during this fluid and dangerous crisis.
This post will be updated periodically, so bookmark this page to get the latest developments!
03/27/2022:
Following the circulation of the horrific videos of torture against Russian soldiers, an adviser to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky released a video reminding Ukrainian troops to adhere to the Geneva Convention.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/st...^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.infowars.com/
Former Obama-appointed CIA director Michael Morell called Joe Biden’s calls for regime change in Russia an “unforced error” that ultimately “strengthens” Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Infowars.com
https://www.twitch.tv/banneddotvideo
Shocking video from Ukraine purportedly shows Ukrainian forces shooting and torturing Russian prisoners of war, prompting several journalists to call for an official investigation into these potential war crimes.
Warning: the following videos are graphic and viewer discretion is advised:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975823290216448
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975846384082945
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507975823290216448
https://twitter.com/i/status/1508010736269750279
In this age of censorship and propaganda from all sides of the Ukraine-Russia conflict, it’s more important than ever to facilitate a free flow of information with videos, reports, and data points from every perspective. Only then can you truly inform yourself about what’s happening during this fluid and dangerous crisis.
This post will be updated periodically, so bookmark this page to get the latest developments!
03/27/2022:
Following the circulation of the horrific videos of torture against Russian soldiers, an adviser to Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky released a video reminding Ukrainian troops to adhere to the Geneva Convention.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/st...^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.infowars.com/
Former Obama-appointed CIA director Michael Morell called Joe Biden’s calls for regime change in Russia an “unforced error” that ultimately “strengthens” Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Will You Bow To A NWO?
Jon Bowne
The New World Order has a plan for the aging Boomer generation that outweighs the young in many countries.
See video...
Will You Bow To A NWO?
The technocratic oligarchs have decided to exterminate the population once you reach 75 years of age.
Meanwhile, the younger population will be under the boot of the Mark of the Beast system where you will own nothing and be happy killing your pets, eating bugs and drinking sewage.
Jon Bowne
The New World Order has a plan for the aging Boomer generation that outweighs the young in many countries.
See video...
Will You Bow To A NWO?
The technocratic oligarchs have decided to exterminate the population once you reach 75 years of age.
Meanwhile, the younger population will be under the boot of the Mark of the Beast system where you will own nothing and be happy killing your pets, eating bugs and drinking sewage.
We live in evil times. Today it is a worse and more perilous time to be alive than it was a few years ago for me in the USA.
Not only is Biden etc...continuing to destabilize other nations, he is destabilizing the US. And lots of people are resisting that, but lots of people are cheering it on.
Politicians like Biden want to form and rule the NWO, in whatever evil form it takes. He is not an American, he is an installed globalist, and cares about the globalist agenda. Trump was a dangerous man to these globalists as he is a nationalist American, MAGA, and so will always be resisted by them.
Not only is Biden etc...continuing to destabilize other nations, he is destabilizing the US. And lots of people are resisting that, but lots of people are cheering it on.
Politicians like Biden want to form and rule the NWO, in whatever evil form it takes. He is not an American, he is an installed globalist, and cares about the globalist agenda. Trump was a dangerous man to these globalists as he is a nationalist American, MAGA, and so will always be resisted by them.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Socialist are socialist regardless as was Nazi Germany Socialist, it's the same disease that leads to a cancer Communism regardless, were the fact is all the people under the Governments regardless are all equal nothings ! Slaves under the State ? The create an out right lie ! that's called Political Correctness ? most people do not understand what PC is truly at all ! most people truly do totally idolise such nonsense as PC ? I have seen this in people over the years, it has become like a religion to them and if you do go and upset their gods they idolise they will go off their rocker at you, they are totally brainwashed and in a trance state, you found this same state of mind with the Nazis in Germany and anyone who called them out on anything that was not the PC line then you were regarded an enemy of the State ! the same attitude is here in Australia, only it's a different bag of snakes that are being played in this Game to suit for our situation ? the Game players in all such are masters of manipulation and it is they who manipulated Germany to become Nazis, just as they did with Russia to become Communist.
It's such a simple Game that is at play to get control over people who are foolish enough to fall for such tactics.
They want to dominate over you all ! or one could say that they want to hold all the cards and you are in their Casino ! The whole Game is totally rigged and you have no hope at all.
They are just like Vampires sucking the life blood out of everyone, body and soul ! to become a abomination to God !
The Bible points them out clearly, They set people up to kill others ! as they set it all up and laugh and make big money out of it all ! look at Ukraine
. it's all a joke to them ! not to mention they are just playing games with people on every situation, the MSM is a total disgrace, it's lies and deceptions are abomination !I have not heard anyone in the MSM say to de escalate the War ! nothing but every thing to try and escalate the war. Crush kill destroy ! hoping fro WW3
then hang on this is not a joke anymore.Nowadays if such was just only a Mexican stand off, Billions around the world would die of starvation for a starters and you do not want to know the rest, you will not have any Government handouts apart from a soup kitchen line, the economy would crash over night. need I say more, but to say de escalate the War, this is Russia we are dealing with here, not some 3rd world Arab Nation that can be played silly buggers with no regard.
Not to mention lookout for the Democrats and a underhand letting Iran get the nuclear bomb so it can blow the Jews up. Obama was in love with Iran.
JohnPaul
Soldier of Jehovah and Christ
Ukrainian Soldiers Film Themselves Calling Up Mothers of Russian Soldiers Killed in Action And Mocking Them
by Paul Joseph Watson
Footage posted to Twitter shows what appears to be Ukrainian soldiers calling up the mothers of dead Russian soldiers killed in action and mocking them over their loss.
Yes, really.
“Pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter translated the videos and celebrated the heinous acts with glee,” writes Chris Menahan.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507361591418892298
A translation of the exchange reveals that the soldier tells the mother “this @#$$$&* moron is no more,” informing her that all that was left of him was “his ass and a leg.”
The Ukrainian appeared to be using the phone that belonged to the dead Russian to call his mother.
An alleged neo-nazi Azov Battalion member named Ivan Zaliznyak uploaded the video and five others to his Telegram channel.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507344429090279434
The clips hardly do much to bolster the narrative, relentlessly amplified by the legacy media, that the Ukrainians are the ‘good guys’.
Over the weekend, horrific footage emerged of Ukrainian fighters committing literal war crimes by shooting captured Russian soldiers in the knees and watching them die in agony.
However, that doesn’t seem to have deterred the ‘Ukrainian flag in my Twitter bio’ crowd, who seem more hopped up on signaling their virtue than ever before.
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by Paul Joseph Watson
Footage posted to Twitter shows what appears to be Ukrainian soldiers calling up the mothers of dead Russian soldiers killed in action and mocking them over their loss.
Yes, really.
“Pro-Ukraine accounts on Twitter translated the videos and celebrated the heinous acts with glee,” writes Chris Menahan.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507361591418892298
A translation of the exchange reveals that the soldier tells the mother “this @#$$$&* moron is no more,” informing her that all that was left of him was “his ass and a leg.”
The Ukrainian appeared to be using the phone that belonged to the dead Russian to call his mother.
An alleged neo-nazi Azov Battalion member named Ivan Zaliznyak uploaded the video and five others to his Telegram channel.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1507344429090279434
The clips hardly do much to bolster the narrative, relentlessly amplified by the legacy media, that the Ukrainians are the ‘good guys’.
Over the weekend, horrific footage emerged of Ukrainian fighters committing literal war crimes by shooting captured Russian soldiers in the knees and watching them die in agony.
However, that doesn’t seem to have deterred the ‘Ukrainian flag in my Twitter bio’ crowd, who seem more hopped up on signaling their virtue than ever before.
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https://twitter.com/Crypto2077/status/1508417372075753475
That caller looks to have been caught by the "Crimean Battalion"
Others have questioned if this is fake news, as the Russians soldiers are not allowed personal phones taken into war.
But yes, it looks pretty awful of UAF personal to do such a thing.
Such a person must be possessed, regarding killing people like that .
I thought that taking any ones life is not something that you would boast about at all regardless ever !
If the twitter etc shows such they should be shut down directly and fined that heavy that they never rise again. how sick and totally depraved to air such at all. regardless of who's Nation it is. not to mention that person showing such must be kicked out of the defence and jailed as a totally bad egg.
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