Spiritual Israelite
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I couldn't think of any other way to respond to his nonsense. It doesn't even deserve a response, really. I don't think even he understands what he said.
The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ
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I already knew a long time ago when i placed him on ignore list. That’s why i didnt have to read his nonsense. Your gif image proved my point. ;).
Spiritual Israelite
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Yeah, he's actually on my ignore list as well, but I sometimes click where it says "show ignored content" and then I saw his post. The only way anyone can react to that nonsensical post is with utter confusion as shown in that animated gif.
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In Rev 20 there is one thousand year period where satan is bound and imprisoned and there is reigning. There are not two different thousand year periods spoken of.
Earburner
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Ref. Post #1:
I could give you the details of what the symbolic 1000 years is, when it began and when it shall end, but I won't.
However, I will give you the scripture of WHY
it is! KJV 2 Peter 3:1-18.
Specifically:
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day IS with the Lord AS a thousand years, and a thousand years [IS] AS one day.
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his PROMISE, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Earburner
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Satan has been loosed since the 1800's.
It was at that time that he went to work in "the children of disobedience", inventing and discovering everything we have today, including WMD to kill off 1/3 of men, through the subtil genius of his evil benevolence.
Haven't you noticed that the gospel message has had extreme competition, through "science", to the point that it is "expiring" in the world today.
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Your title is correct, but not for the Ezek Gog and Magog war. There is a Gog (the leader) and Magog (the land) war at the end of the 1,000 years, but the question is which one is mentioned the Rev 20 or the Ezek 38 war, there are both wars that are named Gog and Magog, just like we have WW1 and WW2. Same name (WW) for both of these wars. There Gog and Magog in Ezek is the leader of the Northern army, the Gog for the Rev20 war is Satan. These are two different wars, taking place in the same Geographical areas.
Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit at Jesus's return - Revelation 20:1-3
At the end of the one thousand years, Satan will be released for a short time, to deceive the nations once more - Revelation 20:7-10.
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Really Douggg, you still peddling your rubbish as God's truth. Isiaih 24:21-22 tells us that all of the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts are imprisoned at the same time for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Your diagrams do not convey this truth.
Jay, when Jesus returns, the kings of the earth who gather their armies to make war on Jesus and his army, will be destroyed. Revelation 19:21.
verse 19 - (1) the beast king who leads the attempted war (2) the kings of earth (3) and their armies.
verse 20 - the beast king and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire
verse 21 - the kings of the earth and their armies destroyed, killed, slain by Jesus.
So those slain kings are the kings of Isaiah 24:21-22, as their departed souls will be placed in the prison of the unsaved dead...called hell...to await the Great White Throne Judgement.
Also when Satan and his angels are cast down to earth in the middle part of the 7 years....then at Jesus's return, Satan will be placed in the bottomless pit prison, Revelation 20:1-3.
While Satan's angels, at Jesus's Return, will be placed in the same prison.... called hell..... to await the Great White Throne Judgement as well.
So two different prisons. (1) the bottomless pit. (2) hell.
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The same private rhetoric which bears not resemblance to what the Scriptures tells us about the end time.
Your understanding of the end times is like that of a pup, which creates havoc wherever you go.
Which kings of the earth in Isaiah 24:21-22 do you think the verses are referring to and why ?
The kings of the earth that will assemble at the place called Armageddon, at the end of the present age and the end of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn trampling God's Temple and His earthly hosts, which comes to its completion at Armageddon when the Kings of the earth are judged for being influenced by the Little Horn to be part of His last effort around 2044 AD to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.
When the kings of the earth are judged on the earth, the heavenly hosts will also be judged in heaven and together they will be imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment. Who are the Heavenly hosts that will be judged in the year 2044 AD? They will be Satan, the four beasts who have influenced the sea of humanity to manifest the dominate characteristic of each of the respective beasts that they have chosen to manifest. In Ezekiel 34:25-30 we also read this same undertaking of God's.
Ezekiel 34:25-30: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause the evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill {i.e. my religion} a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"
In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the three frog like spirits with their signs and wonders will draw the kings of the earth to the place called Armageddon to be judged as Isaiah foretold us in Isa 24:21-22.
Now the judged kings of the earth together with the judged heavenly hosts, i.e. Stan, the Beasts and the Little Horn will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit, i.e. called the Bottomless Pit in the Book of Revelation, at the same time around the year 2044 AD. Paul tells us that when the fullness, with respect to time of the Gentiles comes to its designated completion, that all of Israel will be saved.
Matt 24:32 confirms when this present age will end in 2044 AD.
The God Magog army will begin marching across the globe around the year 3045AD to end with this army assembling at Jerusalem to be judged as well and becoming a feast for the birds of the air and the animals on the face of the earth.
Douggg, your diagrams do not show the above at all.
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[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relationship between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.
Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.
In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.
Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.
Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.
Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.
In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.
Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.
Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.
The text does not say 2300 years, but 2300 days. So the premise to your 2044 AD theory is wrong, Jay. Also, you are trying to predict that Jesus returns in 2044 AD based on that changing of what the text says. It is 2300 days, not 2300 years.
Daniel 8:
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Jay, the kings of the earth will be judged in their natural bodies when Jesus returns in Revelation 19:19-21 and slays them in verse 21.
Then their souls go then to hell where they will await the Great White Throne Judgement, when hell is emptied of its dead in Revelation 20:13.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Doug, I have made no statement that Christ will return in the year 2044 AD. This is your unusual tactic of twisting what has been stated in other peoples' post.
As for my statement that Israel will be saved after 2044 AD, which is the last year of the fourth age, of the existence of Israel from the time of the birth of Isaac, when the completion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children will occur. Paul tells us in Romans 11:25b-26 that when the fullness with respect to the allocated time of the Gentiles of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts is completed, that after this God will hear from Heaven and will begin saving Israel by Gathering them to Himself and planting them in His fertile field.
History actually confirms that the time of the Gentiles has run continually from around 250 BC up and until the present time and still has around another 20 years to go before its completion. Now if you can show that God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts has not been trampled during this 2,300-year period except for the 2,300 days around 170-160 BC, then your claims are false.
As for your claim for "days" in this prophecy
The Hebrew text speaks of "evenings and mornings" and not days as your translation suggests. So, the usual convention Daniel used in his prophetic writings in the Book of Daniel where a day was taken to mean a year in Daniel 9:24-27 does not also apply in Daniel 8:14.
Now Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that the kings of the earth will be judged at the same time as the heavenly hosts are also judged in this single prophecy.
Your logic has added another 1,000 years which is just shy of an additional age/generation.
You will be held to account for your published flawed understandings.
Goodbye Douggg
2300 evenings and mornings is not "years". Every day has an evening and morning to it.
Do you know what the evenings and mornings refers to ? It refers to the two lambs sacrificed every day, one in the morning, one in the evening, that the Jews do when there is a temple standing in compliance with the Mt. Sinai covenant.
Read the preceding text in Isaiah 24. The description is that of the world having gone through the great tribulation.
The kings of the earth will be judged, slain, by Jesus at the end of the great tribulation, when Jesus returns. Then, their souls will go to hell to await the Great White Throne judgment a thousand year later.
Satan's angels will be cast into hell at the same time, to be cast into the lake of fire at the time of the Great White Throne judgment.
There is not a 2300 years time factor involved.
Here is Isaiah 24 in full: -
Isaiah 24: - Impending Judgment on the Earth
24:1 Behold, the Lord makes the earth empty and makes it waste,
Distorts its surface
And scatters abroad its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be:
As with the people, so with the priest;
As with the servant, so with his master;
As with the maid, so with her mistress;
As with the buyer, so with the seller;
As with the lender, so with the borrower;
As with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The earth shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered,
For the Lord has spoken this word.
4 The earth mourns and fades away,
The world languishes and fades away;
The haughty people of the earth languish.
5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants,
Because they have transgressed the laws,
Changed the ordinance,
Broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth,
And those who dwell in it are desolate.
Therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
And few men are left.
7 The new wine fails, the vine languishes,
All the merry-hearted sigh.
8 The mirth of the tambourine ceases,
The noise of the jubilant ends,
The joy of the harp ceases.
9 They shall not drink wine with a song;
Strong drink is bitter to those who drink it.
10 The city of confusion is broken down;
Every house is shut up, so that none may go in.
11 There is a cry for wine in the streets,
All joy is darkened,
The mirth of the earth is gone.
12 In the city desolation is left,
And the gate is stricken with destruction.
13 When it shall be thus in the midst of the land/earth among the people,
It shall be like the shaking of an olive tree,
Like the gleaning of grapes when the vintage is done.
14 They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing;
For the majesty of the Lord
They shall cry aloud from the sea.
15 Therefore glorify the Lord in the dawning light,
The name of the Lord God of Israel in the coastlands of the sea.
16 From the ends/very beginning of the earth we have heard songs:
"Glory to the righteous!"
But I said, "I am ruined, ruined!
Woe to me!
The treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously,
Indeed, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously."
17 Fear and the pit and the snare are upon you,
O inhabitant of the earth, {i.e. God’s earth}.
18 And it shall be
That he who flees from the noise of the fear
Shall fall into the pit,
And he who comes up from the midst of the pit
Shall be caught in the snare;
For the windows from on high are open,
And the foundations of the earth are shaken.
19 The earth, {i.e. God’s earth}, is spoilt beyond spoiling,
The earth is broken beyond breaking,
The earth is in turmoil beyond turmoil.
20 The earth shall waver beyond wavering like a drunkard,
And the {watchman’s} hut shall waver;
The transgression shall be heavy upon it,
And it will be overwhelmed, and not continue.
21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the face of the land the kings of the face of the land.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.
Douggg, I will let the readers decide if your claim is true for Isaiah 24 quoted above.
it is my view that you have again presented a flase claim to support your private understanding.
Fair enough.
Jay, it is not a false claim. The verses describe the earth as having gone through the great tribulation.
It is then, right afterward, that the kings of the earth will be judged, slain by Jesus, then their souls and the fallen angels will be placed in hell. Where after 1000 years, they will be emptied out of hell to stand before the Great White Throne judgement and cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Jay, a person might argue that instead of hell, the fallen angels will be placed into the bottomless pit. No matter which, whether hell or the bottomless pit, the fallen angels will be cast into the lake of fire just as Satan will be after the 1000 years are over.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Douggg, you keep shooting yourself in the foot with your insistence that Satan is not also imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit at the same time as the other judged heavenly hosts. Remember that Satan is also a fallen heavenly host. Isaiah 24:21-22 clearly states that Satan, a fallen heavenly host will be imprisoned at the same time as the other heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth. Your reading comprehension is pretty poor by claiming that Satan will be placed into the Bottomless pit, 1,000 years after the other heavenly hosts will be placed into the Bottomless pit and then released.
Douggg, get real and stop presenting your private personal interpretations of scripture. They simply just do not stack up to any part of the End Time Prophecies.
Goodbye
What we are experiencing at this present time is the Time of Jacob's trouble and not the time of the Great Tribulation.
No, that's is not what I wrote, said, nor implied.
Satan will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit on the day that Jesus returns. And a thousand years later, released for a short time to deceived the nations. Then cast into the lake of fire.
The other fallen angels, at the same time as Satan is imprisioned, will also be imprisoned for a thousand years, before likewise being cast into the lake of fire.
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