The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[IndianaRob]

The mystery that had been hidden in times of Old that is now made known through the Scriptures and the prophets is that Gentiles within all the nations of the world would be eternally saved when they believe. And that Gentiles of faith would be saved with Jews of faith and they would complete the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven. When the last Gentile or the fullness of the Gentiles has become saved the seventh trumpet will sound that time given the Church to build the spiritual Kingdom of God as they proclaim the Gospel unto all the nations of the world will be no longer.

Romans 16:25-26 (KJV) Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Ephesians 3:1-6 (KJV) For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Ephesians 3:8-9 (KJV) Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:25-27 (KJV) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 (KJV) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

How do you figure there will ever come a time when “whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved” is no longer true?

The phrase "times of the Gentiles" refers to a period of time where Jerusalem will be under Gentile control or influence, and it will continue until a specific point is reached.

That happened in AD70 but I know some people think that time period is still in the future.

 

[rwb]

Bodies die when the soul leaves. We are not the body, we are a living soul experiencing this life in an earthly body. When it's time to go home to be with the Lord, God takes us and the body falls to the ground. This is exactly what happened to Enoch.

Bodies die when it breathes its last. Our breath of life come from spirit, when the body dies the spirit returns to God who gave it. Will the spirit within mankind return to God a living soul (possessing life), or will our spirit return to God to be in silence and darkness? Only the spirit indwelt with the Holy Spirit of Christ shall return to God alive after our body has died.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:46-49 (KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Hebrews 11:5 (KJV):
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

Enoch did not SEE death. Either one of two things happened. Either Enoch and his earthly body were taken to heaven or Enoch was taken and his body died. The answer to which one happened is in verse 13.

Hebrews 11:13 (KJV):
"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth."

Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, and believers shall not be resurrected physically immortal & incorruptible until the last trumpet sounds (1Cor 15:50-52), if Enoch was translated to heaven rather than to suffer physical death, his spirit would have left his physical body and ascended to heaven. But that creates a difficulty, because before He died and arose from the dead Christ tells us that no man had ascended up to heaven except the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

I believe that Enoch was not physically translated, but that he was spiritually translated. IOW through the power of faith Enoch was eternally saved, and possessing everlasting life through the Spirit, Enoch would not die because when his body breathed its last, his spirit was eternally alive with the Lord. Where he went physically and was not found, the Bible does not say. But spiritually Enoch and all those mentioned in the hall of faithful saints of Old, are now spiritual body with Christ in heaven. They have not yet received the promise of perfection in immortal & incorruptible resurrected bodies because we're told they would not be made perfect without all who shall be saved. That will not happen until the last trumpet sounds.

Hebrews 11:35-40 (KJV) Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[rwb]

Correct, God is the God of the living not the God of the dead. All believers leave this world the same way, God takes the soul to heaven, whether it was the OLD heaven (Abraham's Bosom) or the NEW heaven (the place Jesus prepared for us).

This should be understood and accepted because of this verse.

John 11:26 (KJV):
"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

The problem is most people don't believeth that.

The Bible tells us it is the 'spirit' in mankind that returns to God in heaven. I agree, the spirits in heaven that have the Holy Spirit of Christ within continue to be living souls. Because where there is life there is a living soul. The spirit can live on eternally after our physical body dies through the power of the Holy Spirit, but the body is no longer a living soul after death, it is a corpse, altogether without any life. I agree, this is proven true because God is not God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[rwb]

@rwb
The best example of a Christian leaving this world is Stephen. Before anybody laid a hand on Stephen, Stephen being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God

Yes, and after his body died, Stephen, with blessed assurance knew that death of his mortal body could not kill his eternal spirit, and that after death he would still be a living spiritual soul in heaven. Stephen believed Christ when He says that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die. Death of the physical flesh is not death of the spirit for those who have the Holy Spirit within. Wherever life is found there is soul.

 

[Timtofly]

LOL. So what? I'm not even saying that it's wrong for the word to be translated as "generation".
The English word "generation" has multiple definitions just like the Greek word it's translated from (genea), so what you're saying proves nothing.

May as well say no generation from Adam until the Second Coming shall pass away, no?

 

[Timtofly]

Nowhere in Scripture does it state that Satan needs to be bound in a specific place for a literal thousand years so there will be "world peace" on Earth. This idea envisions a beautiful landscape with waterfalls, where people can live peacefully, and depicts a scenario where a lion sits next to a lamb with Christ's throne in a golden city that covers 1,500 thousand miles square within the physical city of Jerusalem. This doctrine seems absurd and is unrelated to what Christ actually talked about.

So it was absurd of God to place Adam in a Garden that was peaceful and relaxed for thousands of square miles so he could raise a family of over 50 generations for thousands of years? Where no one would ever die?

 

[Timtofly]

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The point is that is not the default position of life. Yes a few humans have allowed Satan to take control of their life. But that is not normal, and not what that verse is saying about humanity in general. King Saul allowed the spirit of Satan to enter him. King Saul sought out the spirit world that was forbidden in the Law.

Your verse is not describing the spiritual dead condition of humanity. We are spiritually dead because we are separated from our spirit, which is currently in the presence of God. We are physically dead because we are in a body of death, and not a body of life. The soul is physically and spiritually in a state of death. Having physical life does not change the point we are physically and spiritually dead, as we are the soul that is in that state of death.

All that happens at physical death, is the mortal body returns to dust, never to be seen again.

 

[Timtofly]

Then why are the physically dead buried in graves in the earth?

But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Matthew 8:28

Human tradition without guidance from Scripture? People do it today for a memorial. But it is just the dead burying the dead.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

We are spiritually dead because we are separated from our spirit, which is currently in the presence of God. We are physically dead because we are in a body of death, and not a body of life. The soul is physically and spiritually in a state of death. Having physical life does not change the point we are physically and spiritually dead, as we are the soul that is in that state of death.

All that happens at physical death, is the mortal body returns to dust, never to be seen again.

Mumbo jumbo. The physical body is dead without the spirit. The spirit returns to God after physical death.

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Marty fox]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”​

This event happens after the resurrection of the saints as shown in Revelation 20: 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.”

This resurrection of God’s people precedes the battle of Gog and Magog shown in the next chapter.

Notice Israel in Ezekiel 38 is shown without walls…

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."



9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,”

At present modern day Israel has very high walls and also many bars and gates, so this is not describing modern day Israel, which is also not at rest and dwelling safely as described above.

Also if you notice the weapons they use in the battle are not modern day weapons, and also notice they are on horses…

Ezekiel 38:4 “And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army,horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:”

This makes perfect sense because the earth is determined to burned up along with everything that is in it, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. So not only will the current walls surrounding Israel be destroyed, but also all the modern day weapons shall be destroyed in the inferno that is coming upon the earth.

But we are told by God's words that a few men shall be left after this fiery destruction…

Isaiah 24:6 “Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: thereforethe inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”

God said in Ezekiel 39 that He would leave a “sixth part” of Gog that will come upon the mountains of Israel in verse 2 “And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:”

This portion that remains after the wrath of God is poured out on the earth is shown in Daniel as the rest of the beasts that had their dominion taken away, whose lives were prolonged for a season and time, or for a thousand years as shown in the Revelation.

Daniel 7:12 “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.”

So the next big battle to take placebefore the resurrection of the saints is the battle of Armageddon, not the battle of Gog and Magog, which happens after the resurrection of the saints and after the thousand year reign of Christ.

Peace and God bless

Actually Revelation 20 shows us that the reigning doesn't end until the end of our world. (Verse 12 & 5) which is after the binding ends (verse 7).

Thus the 1000 year reigning ends at a different time than the 1000 year binding ends. Jesus doesn't reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

 

[TribulationSigns]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

True, Many people are trying to apply the battle of Gog and Magog to current events in the Middle Eastern country called Israel thinking it will be a physical battle. They got the wrong Israel, the Wrong Gog and Magog, etc.

That's all I am going to say for now.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Thus the 1000 year reigning ends at a different time than the 1000 year binding ends.

Wrong….

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: (the saints) and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[TribulationSigns]

Actually Revelation 20 shows us that the reigning doesn't end until the end of our world. (Verse 12 & 5) which is after the binding ends (verse 7).

You got the timing wrong.

Satan was bound at the Cross and kept him restrained for the sake of the Elect as Christ built his Church for a symbolical thousand years which lasted from Pentecost to the last Elect as a great commission for the Saints. Therefore Christ has established his kingdom through the church. Once all Elect are secured, Satan will be loosened by God and be used to test the faithfulness of the Church as a judgment upon her before the Second Coming. So premillennial doctrine isn't correct.

Thus the 1000 year reigning ends at a different time than the 1000 year binding ends. Jesus doesn't reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God

Facepalm.

 

[Marty fox]

You got the timing wrong.

Satan was bound at the Cross and kept him restrained for the sake of the Elect as Christ built his Church for a symbolical thousand years which lasted from Pentecost to the last Elect as a great commission for the Saints. Therefore Christ has established his kingdom through the church. Once all Elect are secured, Satan will be loosened by God and be used to test the faithfulness of the Church as a judgment upon her before the Second Coming. So premillennial doctrine isn't correct.



Facepalm.

I totally agree with what you said but I'm not premil at all I'm a partial preterist amil.

What I'm saying is that satan was bound at the cross (the 1000 year binding) and released in Revelation 20:7 for his little season before the end of our world.

The saints began to reign (the 1000 year reigning) at the cross and it doesn't end until the end of our world as shown in revelation 20:12. We know this because verse 5 shows us that "5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. "

Verse 12 shows us when the rest of the dead come back " 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. " . This is on the great white throne judgement day.

We don't reign with Jesus because satan is bound we reign with Jesus because Jesus concurred sin and death.

The cross and resurrection is the cause of both the reigning and binding but we don’t reign because of the binding. They have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Marty fox]

Wrong….

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: (the saints) and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

See post #514

 

[Timtofly]

Mumbo jumbo. The physical body is dead without the spirit. The spirit returns to God after physical death.

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Your body is called mortal. That is mumbo jumbo for death. You are physically dead already. It has the Holy Spirit living in it and is still dead.

Nothing can change the fact your dead body is going to remain dead and return to dust.

Your soul will not have physical life until it leaves death and enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body. That is immediate upon the soul leaving the body.

 

[Timtofly]

Actually Revelation 20 shows us that the reigning doesn't end until the end of our world. (Verse 12 & 5) which is after the binding ends (verse 7).

Thus the 1000 year reigning ends at a different time than the 1000 year binding ends. Jesus doesn't reign because satan is bound Jesus reigns because He is God.

The reign of Christ is not the length of the thousand years.

That length is how long those beheaded, are given physical bodies and reign on the earth, with Christ. That reign ends at the NHNE. But the thousand years stop when Satan is loosed. They are still reigning after that thousand years, during that little season.

 

[Marty fox]

The reign of Christ is not the length of the thousand years.

That length is how long those beheaded, are given physical bodies and reign on the earth, with Christ. That reign ends at the NHNE. But the thousand years stop when Satan is loosed. They are still reigning after that thousand years, during that little season.

See post #514

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your body is called mortal. That is mumbo jumbo for death. You are physically dead already. It has the Holy Spirit living in it and is still dead.

Nothing can change the fact your dead body is going to remain dead and return to dust.

Your soul will not have physical life until it leaves death and enters God's permanent incorruptible physical body. That is immediate upon the soul leaving the body.

 

[TribulationSigns]

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LOL.