The 144,000 before God at the end.

[The Light]

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

[covenantee]

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Christ addresses dispensationalism's chosen:

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[The Light]

Christ addresses dispensationalism's chosen:

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

So you think dispensationalism is a salvation issue?

I bet that tune changes in three.

 

[covenantee]

So you think dispensationalism is a salvation issue?

I bet that tune changes in three.

What did Christ think?

His tune didn't change.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What pre-trib verses?

Oh Yeah, God never spoke a single pre-trib rapture declaration = so you won't find any in the Holy Scriptures.

Your BEST bet is in the 'Left-Behind' series of books.

And yet you have the Rapture in first Thessalonians 4 occurring after the Gathering in Revelation 14 which cannot be and is impossible.
You also cannot address the fact that lot is used by Jesus as a pre-tribulation gathering.
You have painted yourself into a corner sir.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Got those literal seals figured out yet?

Be specific.
If you want to debate the seals, then fine.
Just realize what is symbolic and what is not.
Don't recklessly ascribe symbolism where it is obviously literal.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Those verses do not in any way void rom 11

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Anti-semtic???
LOL - You can ask my Jewish wife and the chabbad rabbi who i am friends with, along with my other Jewish friends

You can a claim like that online knowing nobody can or will verify it. I can't ask your wife or meet your Rabbi friend, so that is just heresay, propaganda like the Fake puts out for our consumption. Are Christians capable of lying online to save face? Lol, sure they are. But IF it is true, that is wonderful. But you referred to the Church/Body as Israel, as if the Church replaced Israel and that leads to the mindset that there are no more Covenants with Israel (Jews), they had their chance and blew it, killed Christ ... they're doomed. This is mindset leads to anti-Semitism and also a maligned interpretation of scripture concerning the future redemption of the remnant Jewish population ( which obviously distinct in Romans 11 and Rev. 7). You failed to see that distinction.

Let's settle this issue.
>> Do you believe that during the Great Tribulation (or just prior to it), the blindness of a remnant population of the Jews ( likely 1/3 of 15 million) will be lifted and they will receive Christ as their Messiah/Savior/Lord?
Yes or No?

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I agree 100% ... spiritually. But God is NOT done Israel. He has covenants with them. See post #93

 

[David in NJ]

And yet you have the Rapture in first Thessalonians 4 occurring after the Gathering in Revelation 14 which cannot be and is impossible.
You also cannot address the fact that lot is used by Jesus as a pre-tribulation gathering.
You have painted yourself into a corner sir.

JESUS said as in the days of Noah and Lot which are post-trib = same as the Gospel and the Apostles and Revelation

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Dispensationalism is enslaved by Replacement Biology racism, which seeks to divide the Body of Christ by DNA.

I disagree. Replacement theology is common with Catholics and only some Protestants, so it is not an exclusive Dispensational view.
Dispensation theology just means that God has an overall plan that is divided into acts/ segments if you will, where he dispenses judgments, changes, new covenants, etc.
1. Creation to man's sin.
2. From Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden to Noah's Flood.
3. From Post Flood to Abram.
4. From Abraham and the Chosen Nation to Christ
5. From the Christian Age to the Great Tribulation
6. From the Millennial Kingdom to the Final Great White Throne Judgment
7. From the New Jerusalem to eternity

We can see that within each segment of time, conditions of life were different than any other time

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

LOL - You can ask my Jewish wife and the chabbad rabbi who i am friends with,

Hey David, that photo is of you and your kids right. Nice family. Is that you in the center with your around your son with the blue shirt?
Since you are online now, can you present a photo of you and your Rabbi friend with arms around him with his long beard and his Sabbath garb in the next five minutes? Then I will believe you. Otherwise there is no way to verify your claim.

 

[David in NJ]

You can a claim like that online knowing nobody can or will verify it. I can't ask your wife or meet your Rabbi friend, so that is just heresay, propaganda like the Fake puts out for our consumption. Are Christians capable of lying online to save face? Lol, sure they are. But IF it is true, that is wonderful. But you referred to the Church/Body as Israel, as if the Church replaced Israel and that leads to the mindset that there are no more Covenants with Israel (Jews), they had their chance and blew it, killed Christ ... they're doomed. This is mindset leads to anti-Semitism and also a maligned interpretation of scripture concerning the future redemption of the remnant Jewish population ( which obviously distinct in Romans 11 and Rev. 7). You failed to see that distinction.

Let's settle this issue.
>> Do you believe that during the Great Tribulation (or just prior to it), the blindness of a remnant population of the Jews ( likely 1/3 of 15 million) will be lifted and they will receive Christ as their Messiah/Savior/Lord?
Yes or No?

I agree 100% ... spiritually. But God is NOT done Israel. He has covenants with them. See post #93

First - You are falsely accusing a Brother in Christ based on your religion/pre-trib rapture.

Second - i believe the Whole Bible, including all the promises God has made to the flesh nation of Israel.
My posts verify this as i hold to this promise = Jeremiah 31:35-37

Third - You need to believe in JESUS concerning Israel of the flesh = Matthew 21: 33-46

Fourth - You need to believe what JESUS says concerning Israel of the flesh = Matthew chapter 23 and Zechariah ch14

Fifth - You need to believe what the Apostle Paul says of the flesh nation of Israel = Romans, Galatians

Sixth - You need to repent from false doctrine that divides Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ = pre-trib rapture

SEVENTH - You will find REST/TRUTH in believing "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God" = Matthew 4:4

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

First - You are falsely accusing a Brother in Christ based on your religion/pre-trib rapture

Any photos of you and your Rabbi friend?
Didn't think so.
I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked you a simple question.
>>> You didn't answer YES OR NO to this question: Do you believe that during the Great Tribulation (or just prior to it), the blindness of a remnant population of the Jews ( likely 1/3 of 15 million) will be lifted and they will receive Christ as their Messiah/Savior/Lord? YES OR NO?
So you go off on a tangent avoiding the question and make accusations about me, and that I need to repent. I AM NOT A PRE-TRIB ADHERENT- another one of your errors.

 

[The Light]

And yet you have the Rapture in first Thessalonians 4 occurring after the Gathering in Revelation 14 which cannot be and is impossible.
You also cannot address the fact that lot is used by Jesus as a pre-tribulation gathering.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. Lot is not used as a pretribulation gathering.

Noah is used as a pretribulation gathering as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.

Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

When the Lord comes for the Church it will be a secret coming. The world will declare that the aliens have come. You can see that happening right now as they continue to ramp up the alien lie

You are one of the few that understands that the Lord is coming for a second rapture which you see in Revelation 14. This event occurs at the 6th seal. When this rapture occurs it will be like the days of Lot. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. Also note that the Son of Man is revealed in that day. Wrath is getting ready to happen and they see Jesus in the clouds. He is revealed. But this is not the second advent when Jesus sets up His kingdom. That obviously occurs at the seventh seal last trumpet.

Luke 17
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

 

[The Light]

First - You are falsely accusing a Brother in Christ based on your religion/pre-trib rapture.

Second - i believe the Whole Bible, including all the promises God has made to the flesh nation of Israel.
My posts verify this as i hold to this promise = Jeremiah 31:35-37

Third - You need to believe in JESUS concerning Israel of the flesh = Matthew 21: 33-46

Fourth - You need to believe what JESUS says concerning Israel of the flesh = Matthew chapter 23 and Zechariah ch14

Fifth - You need to believe what the Apostle Paul says of the flesh nation of Israel = Romans, Galatians

Sixth - You need to repent from false doctrine that divides Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ = pre-trib rapture

SEVENTH - You will find REST/TRUTH in believing "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God" = Matthew 4:4

Last call for lamp oil. The door is getting ready to shut. And I mean last call. Your world is getting ready to change. Seek the truth NOW! You have no clue what's going on all around you.

 

[David in NJ]

Any photos of you and your Rabbi friend?
Didn't think so.
I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked you a simple question.
>>> You didn't answer YES OR NO to this question: Do you believe that during the Great Tribulation (or just prior to it), the blindness of a remnant population of the Jews ( likely 1/3 of 15 million) will be lifted and they will receive Christ as their Messiah/Savior/Lord? YES OR NO?
So you go off on a tangent avoiding the question and make accusations about me, and that I need to repent. I AM NOT A PRE-TRIB ADHERENT- another one of your errors.

Were you unable to SEE Matt 23:37-39 & Zech ch14, as well as Romans ch11 that i confirmed?

Do you believe the Bible or not?

 

[David in NJ]

Last call for lamp oil. The door is getting ready to shut. And I mean last call. Your world is getting ready to change. Seek the truth NOW! You have no clue what's going on all around you.

Silly Rabbit, JESUS is the Door and HE will not shut the door until HIS Second Coming = Matt ch24

P.S. - Anointing Oil is the Holy Spirit of Truth which only fills you when you submit to the TRUTH.

pre-trib rapture is man-made and is not found in the Holy Scriptures of Truth.

 

[covenantee]

I agree 100% ... spiritually. But God is NOT done Israel. He has covenants with them.

God's covenants with Israel were exclusively with those faithful and obedient to Him within the nation.

The corpses of tens of thousands of unfaithful disobedient Israelites whom He slew are a sober attestation to that reality.

 

[covenantee]

Those verses do not in any way void rom 11

Who said that they do?

 

[covenantee]

Be specific.
If you want to debate the seals, then fine.
Just realize what is symbolic and what is not.
Don't recklessly ascribe symbolism where it is obviously literal.

Who appointed you the authority on what is symbolic and what is not?

If 144K (an obviously symbolic number) Jews are literal, then so are their seals.