T U L I P explained

[Ritajanice]

Total depravity/inability exposed below. Man actually has total ability. Just the opposite of the false premise of tulip.

Man has total ability to know God ,by their own human understanding of reading God’s written word of course.

What other means must we know God?

Not by reading scripture that’s for sure.

 

[ChristisGod]

The faulty premise of calvinism/determinism which is the foundation for tulip.

The cause and effect principle. There is no effect without a cause. In calvinism God is always the first cause of all that occurs, comes to pass. Every molecule that moves is caused by God. There is nothing that happens that is not caused by God.


A1- If EDD is true, then God determines all Christians to affirm some false theological beliefs.

A2- If God determines all Christians to affirm some false theological beliefs, then God is deceptive and His Word (the Bible) cannot be trusted.

A3- God is not deceptive and His Word can be trusted.

A4- Therefore, God does not determine all Christians to affirm some false theological beliefs.

A5- Therefore, EDD is false.
“Think about it: If a wizard, a demon, or a Jedi using a mind trick used their power to necessitate your false beliefs, then these folks would properly be referred to as deceptive agents. Now, suppose a Jedi intentionally used his power to determine and necessitate all people to affirm false beliefs about ultimate reality. It would be fair to describe this fellow as a ‘Jedi of deception.’ If a demon used his power to determine and necessitate all humans to affirm false beliefs about ultimate reality, it would be fair to say that this being is a ‘demon of deception.’

What’s the difference between a demon of deception and a deity of deception? Does a deity who intentionally uses his power to determine and necessitate all humans to affirm false beliefs about ultimate reality suddenly become non-deceptive just because this being has more power than demons? Is this deity who determines all humans to affirm false beliefs about ultimate reality suddenly become non-deceptive just because he created the universe? If Loki, the ‘god of mischief,’ created the universe, is he no longer a ‘god of mischief’? Of course not. Loki is still untrustworthy, and so is any deity who intentionally uses his power to determine every single human — including all Christ followers — to affirm false theological beliefs.” What Makes a Deity Deceptive? | Free Thinking Ministries

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That describes the condition of the parents.

David used the word I, so it is not the parents

Nature is not a sin.

No but it is defiled. the nature of man causes man to commit acts of sin. Sin comes from our nature as Jesus said

Clearly, that is figurative, not literal

And what is it figurative of???????????????????????????????

If that is the case, then it is God's fault, not the fault of the individual. God is the only one who could impute uncommitted sin to the one being conceived.

You are confusin g the acts of sin with a sin nature. Men are lost not because of acts of sin, but are born condemned.

 

[ChristisGod]

Man has total ability to know God ,by their own human understanding of reading God’s written word of course.

What other means must we know God?

Not by reading scripture that’s for sure.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ- Rom 10:17.

 

[BlessedPeace]

nor is the opposite that babies are automatically saved.

You appear to argue for the sake of arguing.

You have vacated your own statement when you said you don't know what happens to babies who die after you claimed babies don't go to Heaven .
Maybe you target babies in threads so to upset members with your statements against them. You don't.

It is clear what you are about.

Babies don't go to Heaven.

Where do they go?

I don't know.....

Basic English composition.

Please remember that and adjust your tactics accordingly if you choose to persist in this evil.


Goodbye.

 

[Ritajanice]

There was no direct reference to Adam or Eve, however there was this.

So here's a question . . . are you thinking that Adam and Eve were unable to speak with God, but their children were able to?

Much love!

I ain’t thinking nothing.i ain’t interested in Adam and Eve...I voiced my opinion marks.

I don’t need to know anything about Adam and Eve.

I am Spirit led thank God...no way do I have to study night and day to know God ...I know him in my spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ- Rom 10:17.

Faith my lovely is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit ...if you hear from God then your spirit must be Born Again that’s how we communicate with God in our spirit ....you can’t hear God without His witness His Living Holy Spirit.

We must be Born Again to communicate with God...you need that vital witness my friend testifying Gods truth to your heart/spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You appear to argue for the sake of arguing.

You have vacated your own statement when you said you don't know what happens to babies who die after you claimed babies don't go to Heaven .
Maybe you target babies in threads so to upset members with your statements against them. You don't.

It is clear what you are about.

Babies don't go to Heaven.

Where do they go?

I don't know.....

Basic English composition.

Please remember that and adjust your tactics accordingly if you choose to persist in this evil.


Goodbye.

No I do not argue for the sake of arguing.

I said I could not say for sure and gave biblical verses as to why I cannot say definitively.

I do not target babies. I speak to issues that come up on threads. I didn't start this whole baby thing.

But bye-bye then.

 

[ChristisGod]

You appear to argue for the sake of arguing.

You have vacated your own statement when you said you don't know what happens to babies who die after you claimed babies don't go to Heaven .
Maybe you target babies in threads so to upset members with your statements against them. You don't.

It is clear what you are about.

Babies don't go to Heaven.

Where do they go?

I don't know.....

Basic English composition.

Please remember that and adjust your tactics accordingly if you choose to persist in this evil.


Goodbye.

Doomed from the womb theology. That’s why infant baptism was invented lol.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Doomed from the womb theology. That’s why infant baptism was invented lol.

and even that is sad for water baptism never has saved.

 

[ChristisGod]

Faith my lovely is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit ...if you hear from God then your spirit must be Born Again that’s how we communicate with God in our spirit ....you can’t hear God without His witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Nowhere is faith ever said to be a gift to an unbelieving sinner. And Jesus taught just the opposite regarding faith and numerous times said : your faith saved you , your faith made you well. Not once did He ever say or imply it was the faith He gave, granted or infused them with that saved them.

 

[ChristisGod]

and even that is sad for water baptism never has saved.

Ditto

 

[Ritajanice]

As both you and I know God delivers from evil and does not cause evil

Bible, King James Version​

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Isaiah​

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Previous Chapter​

Isa.45​

[1] Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
[2] I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
[3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
[4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

 

[marks]

sweet pea...

If what you believe is spiritual isn't Biblical, shouldn't that be a red flag to you?

Why did God give us His Book?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Show me my cherry picking and show me that I’m in error when I say we need to know Jesus in our spirit?

That wasn't the context to my comment. Maybe relook at my post?

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Nowhere is faith ever said to be a gift to an unbelieving sinner

Who said it was?..

. And Jesus taught just the opposite regarding faith and numerous times said : your faith saved you , your faith made you well. Not once did He ever say or imply it was the faith He gave, granted or infused them with that saved them.

How would you know God truly exists?

What good is human faith?

Does human faith know that Jesus died and was resurrected?

How would you know that Jesus hung on a cross?

By reading a bible yes....but...where else do we need to know this ?

 

[ChristisGod]

Bible, King James Version​

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Isaiah​

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Previous Chapter​

Isa.45​

[1] Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
[2] I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
[3] And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
[4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
[5] I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
[6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

the New American Standard Bible gives the sense of Isaiah 45:6-7 more clearly: “There is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.” In other words, God devises calamity as a judgment for the wicked. But in no sense is He the author of evil.

 

[Ritajanice]

If what you believe is spiritual isn't Biblical, shouldn't that be a red flag to you?

Why did God give us His Book?

Much love!

Have you actually read my posts sweet pea regarding “spiritual “?
Why did God make us spirit children?

He gave us his written word so that we can grow and mature in Christ?

You won’t die without your Bible .

 

[Ritajanice]

the New American Standard Bible gives the sense of Isaiah 45:6-7 more clearly: “There is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these.” In other words, God devises calamity as a judgment for the wicked. But in no sense is He the author of evil.

I posted scripture my love...showing God creates evil..if you ain’t happy with it. I suggest you take it up with him.

[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

 

[marks]

I know can you believe we do not need a faithful translation of the biblical text.

Not everyone shares the same regard for Scripture.

What I have a difficult time understanding is that someone who claims to value communication from God doesn't value His words written for us.

It's like telling someone "I love you, and I cherish everything you tell me", and then tossing their letter into a drawer, because I get telephone calls from them, so what do I need their letter for?"

I think that people are not always clear in their minds, and can sometimes think that they've understood something, and maybe they have, and maybe they haven't. But in the meantime, we have a written book by which we can test our ideas and thoughts, and see if they REALLY ARE Spirit led.

I feel the complete assurance that anything I think that is contrary to what is written in the Bible isn't from God. The Bible helps to keep us from error, but not if we reject it, or cherry pick translations, or whatever. We have to be willing to change when we find, "it is written", and it's different from what we think.

Much love!