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[Eternally Grateful]

You cannot show me anything..only the Living witness the Holy Spirit can testify Gods truth to my heart/ spirit.

You cannot make me see anything....you are a mere empty vessel...

Further proof you do not read the written word.

When God sends someone to you. they are nto an empty vessil. When you tell them no. its like telling God now

@Ritajanice said please stick to the topic and not get personal , thanks.

So you callimg me an empty vessil is not personal>

Practice what you preach

 

[Ritajanice]

Your not born again apart from the written word.. Now whether you read the word or it was read or quoted to you. Thats a different topic

Not true...we are Born Of The Spirit...Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Where does the seed that we are+Born Again of liveth and abideth forever where?

I never said it does.

You keep doing this, You read into what others say because you have programmed your mind into hearing only what you ant to hear.

If you want to counsel people. you need to learn hos to interpret what they say, You can;t keep saying the same old stuff over and over..as if it is what the other person said. when they never said anything like that

We born with trusting the word given to us.

We Born trusting the word given us...that is not how God says we are Born Again...we are Born Of The Spirit..is that Written Spirit a dead Spirit . Or a Living Spirit that we are Born Again of?

Your not born any other way. Since you were not there 2000 years ago., You only have his word

We are under the NT...what has being at the cross 2,000 years ago got to do with being Born Again in The now?

Thats a lie, if we did not know God., we could never come to faith. if we are still in unbelief we are still dead.

We only have to know the name of Jesus that is all...as no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws us to Jesus...we are drawn to Jesus by Gods Living Witness His Holy Spirit....

The Living Spirit draws us to Jesus not the Bible.

I am done..

You will never understand until you open your mind.. Until then, No one can help you

Once again your own opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

Further proof you do not read the written word.

When God sends someone to you. they are nto an empty vessil. When you tell them no. its like telling God now

@Ritajanice said please stick to the topic and not get personal , thanks.

So you callimg me an empty vessil is not personal>

Practice what you preach

Calling you an empty vessel means...you have yet to speak Gods truth to my heart/ spirit...only the Holy Spirit can do that...the Spirit is yet to speak to my heart/ spirit through you...as of yet he hasn’t spoken to my heart/ spirit through you

Your words are empty words...there is no spiritual life in your words that you have spoken to me..spiritual words from the Living Holy Spirit penetrates our hearts/ spirit....your words and my words are empty meaningless words......there is only life in the Spirit......imo..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Calling you an empty vessel means...you have yet to speak Gods truth to my heart/ spirit...only the Holy Spirit can do that...the Spirit is yet to speak to my heart/ spirit through you...as of yet he hasn’t spoken to my heart/ spirit through you

Your words are empty words...there is no spiritual life in your words that you have spoken to me.....imo..

Good day

I will pray you understand one day..

I give up trying to help you understand..

 

[Ritajanice]

Good day

I will pray you understand one day..

I give up trying to help you understand..

Good day....may God Bless you as you journey with him to find his truth....I pray that for all of us who are on our own spiritual journey with the Lord.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Our heavenly Father does not speak audibly to me. But there are those times when I am compelled to say or write something that I can only attribute to the Holy Spirit working through me.

So my answer is .. it is made known to me.

Funny and true.

I have written responses to threads on forums and when I started I did not exactly know where I was headed.

Those would include times when I wanted to double check what I was writing and would do a search in addition to looking at a varied supply of online bibles so I could get my wording as it should be... or I wwould be led to a search and to a link that was something I would use.

It NEVER ceases to amaze me that among it all there also are time when something I have written
for some reason comes back up when I am online... something for months, or years ago... and as I start to read
what is written... not cognizant that it was my writing that I say to myself it sounded so good , so spot on, and then I look and see I wrote it....

But it WAS NOT me.... it had to have been the Holy Spirit working through me because it simply did not sound like me.

This is not all the time... but it is often enough that I am so glad what I do on these forums is being watched.

Anyway... in general I heard one televangelist that many on here would not bother to watch I am sure.
Frederick K C Price.

Many years ago he told his story about how he was from the wrong side of the tracks and was living a fast life that included some jail time for stealing a car but he was often wanting to go to church.

Not wanting to be seen he would sit in the balcony, basically in the last row and was always alone.

Then one day while sitting in church he distinctly heard the words... audibly said "You shall preach My word."

He was startled and looked around but there was no one and no where anyone would be hiding. So he did nothing and then again came "You shall preach My word"

For him the rest is history.

His Los Angeles ministry became a megachurch with about 28,000 members and televised services that reached millions world wide.

He died in 2021... from complications from covid.

His son took over the ministry after he retired a few years back.

So.. the point is. When God has something to say.... He will

Spirit has been with me since I can remember. When they speak it isn't aloud of course but it is what some call the voice of intuition.

Don't go down that road,take the long way.

Things like that. If I think to do my own thing and don't heed the advice I regret it without exception.

I don't concern myself with skeptics who insist God does not speak to us today. I think it's a jealousy reflex on their part.

Especially if they later claim to speak to God in their prayers. I think they aren't really then considering their argument.

 

[BlessedPeace]

If we can;t beat them, Lets ignore them.. Instead of trying to learn and be united as a body of believers.

Beat them? What a strange perspective.

This might help you.

Not everyone who joins a Christian discussion site is one.

Some are here as atheists getting their jollies goading Christians by defending their intentional yet patently ridiculous understanding of Doctrine. Just to watch actual Christians work to lead them to right understanding.

There is nothing wrong with refusing to feed such Trolls.

 

[JBO]

Matthew 18​

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King James Version​

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18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

That does not say children are automatically saved-- it is comparing the faith required of us like the faith children have!

Are you telling us here that as a child you had faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, but then sometime later you lost that faith or gave up that faith and thus you needed to become like you were as a child and believe in God once again? Is that what you think? If so, I don't know where you would even get such an idea.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Beat them? What a strange perspective.

This might help you.

Not everyone who joins a Christian discussion site is one.

Some are here as atheists getting their jollies goading Christians by defending their intentional yet patently ridiculous understanding of Doctrine. Just to watch actual Christians work to lead them to right understanding.

There is nothing wrong with refusing to feed such Trolls.

 

[Ritajanice]

What the Bible says about Spiritually Alive
(From Forerunner Commentary)

John 3:3 John 3:3 begins to show the profound importance of the born-again instruction by the fact that this doctrine is the subject of the very first of Jesus' discourses recorded by John. It is as if everything regarding our spiritual future begins and proceeds from this point. Interestingly, this discourse does not cover how men should live but how men are made alive spiritually. In Ephesians 2:1-6, the apostle Paul reveals a major detail of why a spiritual birth is necessary: And You He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Twice, Paul says in these six verses that we "were dead"—not physically dead but spiritually dead. An individual cannot conduct his life before he is born, nor can a dead person direct his steps and regulate his life. Clearly, God perceives a person as spiritually dead before he is born again. Being born again thus begins a convert's progress toward his transformation into Christ's image and living in the Kingdom of God for all eternity. Interestingly, Romans 4:17 states that "God . . . gives life to the dead." Being born again is also likened to a resurrection, but nowhere does the Bible show resurrected people as begotten as a fetus confined to a womb. Rather, Scripture shows the converted as adults freed from spiritual death and at liberty to move about, live life, make choices, and interact with others, putting their new spiritual life to practical use. Luke 9:60 confirms Paul's declaration in a statement by Jesus that illustrates how God perceives the overwhelming majority of people on earth. Jesus commands the man who said he would follow Him but first wanted to bury his dead father, "Let the dead bury the dead." He obviously means, "Let those yet physically alive but spiritually dead bury one of their spiritually—and now physically—dead companions." Jesus thus confirms that God perceives those not yet truly Christian as spiritually dead and in need of spiritual resurrection to spiritual life. Psalm 115:17 adds to this: "The dead do not praise the LORD, nor any who go down into silence." Though this statement obviously applies primarily to the physically dead, it also suggests that the spiritually dead cannot praise God with true spirituality. Jesus' teaching on being born again speaks of a new birth, a new beginning from a state of spiritual death imposed on us because of our sins. Thus, a person cannot begin spiritual life and truly praise God as a Christian until he is first born spiritually. Plainly, discerning figurative language is vital to understanding this doctrine. John W. Ritenbaugh

 

[One 2 question]

God did not rape that 13 y/o The man did

If your praising God for raping that 13 y/o. Then you can see why many people HATE and despise calvinsim..

Sure. I don't really care about Calvinism personally. I'm glad to be free of any Christian group, denomination, theology etc. I mean free to engage with them and free to not. Free to believe what the Spirit teaches me without any care in the world of who or what agrees or disagrees with us. It's great.

Once upon a time I used to try to convince people to believe certain things or to do certain things. Now I just find myself embracing what the Spirit teaches and is doing in my everyday life without much care of what others are believing or doing.

He even led me away from the bible. This has been very very difficult and challenging but I praise Him regularly for doing this. Obviously He had His reasons for doing that.

The Spirit has led me into a newfound freedom that has given me the confidence to mature and to grow into the likeness of Christ since He birthed His Spirit of Truth in me.

We have an understanding, He will carry me wherever He wants me to go unless He puts me down and has me walk with Him. It's that simple now.

God did not rape that 13 y/o The man did.

Of course God personally doesn't rape anyone. He is Spirit and doesn't have the anatomy required to rape. But He does use the anatomy of humans He designed and created to do some great and not so great stuff. He can do as He wants with His own creation. No limits. He can even throw humans and angels into a lake of fire to suffer and be tormented without end. A place which He thought up, designed, created ready for use. Now that has to be unfathomly worse treatment of any human than rape or murder.

 

[face2face]

What the Bible says about Spiritually Alive
(From Forerunner Commentary)

In Ephesians 2:1-6, the apostle Paul reveals a major detail of why a spiritual birth is necessary: Twice, Paul says in these six verses that we "were dead"—not physically dead but spiritually dead.

So here is an example of where things go seriously wrong with your understanding.

even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ Eph 2:4–5.

As Paul states the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 (physical mortal death!)

In fact if you look at the context in Ephesians 2 Paul has already told you...."among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind Eph 2:3.


So what is your problem Rita?

Well, you believe in the immortal soul - a divine essence which you believe you were born with however this is false teaching! You die physically and completely for two reason.

1. You inherited a condemned mortal nature - 1 Corith 15:22

2. You sin and the divine decree is death - Romans 6:23

You also have another issue which is even greater than both of these...you don't read the Bible in context - you project your false understanding on the Word of God, maybe because you have itching ears, or possibly you have a copy and paste faith? Maybe you have not been taught how to read the Bible with more care? Either way, when Paul states you were dead! It means without Christ and the One True Hope you are completely and utterly dead (think worms!) as is all mankind without their savior.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

So here is an example of where things go seriously wrong with your understanding.

even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ Eph 2:4–5.

As Paul states the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 (physical mortal death!)

In fact if you look at the context in Ephesians 2 Paul has already told you...."among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind Eph 2:3.


So what is your problem Rita?

Well, you believe in the immortal soul - a divine essence which you believe you were born with however this is false teaching! You die physically and completely for two reason.

1. You inherited a condemned mortal nature - 1 Corith 15:22

2. You sin and the divine decree is death - Romans 6:23

You also have another issue which is even greater than both of these...you don't read the Bible in context - you project your false understanding on the Word of God, maybe because you have itching ears, or possibly you have a copy and paste faith? Maybe you have not been taught how to read the Bible with more care? Either way, when Paul states you were dead! It means without Christ and the One True Hope you are completely and utterly dead (think worms!) as is all mankind without their savior.

F2F

Uh huh.

 

[face2face]

What the Bible says about Spiritually Alive
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Interestingly, Romans 4:17 states that "God . . . gives life to the dead." Being born again is also likened to a resurrection, but nowhere does the Bible show resurrected people as begotten as a fetus confined to a womb. Rather, Scripture shows the converted as adults freed from spiritual death and at liberty to move about, live life, make choices, and interact with others, putting their new spiritual life to practical use.

Not sure where you are getting this "spiritual death" from?

This section in Romans 4:17 is talking about Abraham who is completely dead to this day, but lived in hope and faith of a future resurrection!

in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist Ro 4:17.

Upon this principle of speaking of things which be not as though they were (because “known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world") Abraham believed in that promised life and acted in such as way as to show he actually had received the promises even though he had not! Such was the enormity of his faith!

The same is said of Christ, in his prayer, even speaks of his disciples as glorified already: “The glory which you gave me I have given them” (John. 17:22); although literally we are told in John 7:39 “that Jesus was not yet glorified!" (I know right!)

Can you see how your belief actually weakens your own faith through ignorance? Real faith doesn't believe they already have a divine essence in them; real faith seeks it in the hope of receiving it at a future time!

to those (enlightened!) who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; Romans 2:7

I could go on but I think you get the picture

F2F

 

[face2face]

Uh huh.

And not offer?

 

[face2face]

What the Bible says about Spiritually Alive
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Luke 9:60 confirms Paul's declaration in a statement by Jesus that illustrates how God perceives the overwhelming majority of people on earth. Jesus commands the man who said he would follow Him but first wanted to bury his dead father, "Let the dead bury the dead." He obviously means, "Let those yet physically alive but spiritually dead bury one of their spiritually—and now physically—dead companions." Jesus thus confirms that God perceives those not yet truly Christian as spiritually dead and in need of spiritual resurrection to spiritual life.

How is it possible for someone to post so much error?

When Jesus said "let the dead (condemned) bury the dead (condemned)" he meant precisely that!

Jesus was pointing out that for this man his earthly dead father was Supreme, and he worshipped death and not life! He had the option of following a COFFIN or the LORD of LIFE! The Grk reads "Let the dead bury their own dead" That father, not being a follower of the Lord was a DEAD man. So the two "would be" Disciples fell by the way side. It is a sobering lesson to you to have nowhere near the perception that Jesus had. Even the LAW taught that! The High Priest in Israel under the Law was not permitted to attend the funeral of his own mother or father!

You overlay your false teaching onto the Lords clear warnings and think this is alright?

Wow - no fear in that but judgement will come!

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

So here is an example of where things go seriously wrong with your understanding.

even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ Eph 2:4–5.

What is made Alive in us?

As Paul states the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 (physical mortal death!)

In fact if you look at the context in Ephesians 2 Paul has already told you...."among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind Eph 2:3.

What in us was once alienated from God?

How would you know that Jesus walked the earth , by reading your Bible?

Anyone can read a Bible my friend in their own human intellect?


Now to bring that Bible to life, what do we need in order for us to understand it?

Who brings us to know that Jesus truly existed?

Who leads you through scripture my friend to understand the written word in the spirit, it’s a spiritual book is it not?

So what is your problem Rita?

Well, you believe in the immortal soul - a divine essence which you believe you were born with however this is false teaching! You die physically and completely for two reason.

we were born alienated from God, what in us was alienated from God?

1. You inherited a condemned mortal nature - 1 Corith 15:22

I inherited the sin of the first Adam, I have become reconciled/ right before God by the second Adam?

How could that be?

2. You sin and the divine decree is death - Romans 6:23

A Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

What seed is that and where does that seed liveth and abideth forever?

You also have another issue which is even greater than both of these...you don't read the Bible in context - you project your false understanding on the Word of God,

Then please prove it by using scripture.

maybe because you have itching ears, or possibly you have a copy and paste faith?

What is a copy and paste Faith?

There is some fantastic commentaries out there, as long as they line up with Gods written word..which the above that I posted does.

Maybe you have not been taught how to read the Bible with more care? Either way, when Paul states you were dead! It means without Christ and the One True Hope you are completely and utterly dead (think worms!) as is all mankind without their savior.

Where were we dead , before we became Born Of The Spirit?

F2F

We are Born Again in our spirit, my friend, not by reading the Bible, ..?

Do you also think that the written word is Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?

Who backs up,Gods written word my friend and what do we need to be before we can have any chance of understanding Gods written word?

Why did Jesus have to die on that cross?

Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

What does that mean even?

 

[Ritajanice]

How is it possible for someone to post so much error?

When Jesus said "let the dead (condemned) bury the dead (condemned)" he meant precisely that!

Jesus was pointing out that for this man his earthly dead father was Supreme, and he worshipped death and not life! He had the option of following a COFFIN or the LORD of LIFE! The Grk reads "Let the dead bury their own dead" That father, not being a follower of the Lord was a DEAD man. So the two "would be" Disciples fell by the way side. It is a sobering lesson to you to have nowhere near the perception that Jesus had. Even the LAW taught that! The High Priest in Israel under the Law was not permitted to attend the funeral of his own mother or father!

You overlay your false teaching onto the Lords clear warnings and think this is alright?

Wow - no fear in that but judgement will come!

F2F

Thank you for voicing your opinion....I agree with the commentary I posted, it spoke to my spirit..I’m afraid what I read above are empty words nothing spiritual in them whatsoever...

It’s the Spirit that speaks and brings Gods truth to our heart/ spirit...not your words ,not my words.

 

[Ritajanice]

Not sure where you are getting this "spiritual death" from?

Well my friend answer this...why do we need to be Born Of The “ Spirit “?

We’re you not once spiritually dead?

Or have you always known Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit?

How do you know that God and Jesus truly exists, just by reading your Bible?

You need to know Him somewhere else before you can ever come to understand His written word?

Good grief without the precious gift of Faith and being Born Of The Spirit, ..we would be leading ourselves through scripture...which I’m afraid counts for nothing.

We need that Living vital ingredient, who is that?

Who only has the supernatural/spiritual power to lead us through the written word in spirit?

It’s certainly not us..I’ve more or less given you the answer my friend?

What in you has been quickened?

Ephesians 2:1​

“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;”

 

[face2face]

What is made Alive in us?

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

What in us was once alienated from God?

remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. Eph 2:12

How would you know that Jesus walked the earth , by reading your Bible?

Anyone can read a Bible my friend in their own human intellect?


Now to bring that Bible to life, what do we need in order for us to understand it?

Who brings us to know that Jesus truly existed?

Who leads you through scripture my friend to understand the written word in the spirit, it’s a spiritual book is it not?

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15

we were born alienated from God, what in us was alienated from God?

I inherited the sin of the first Adam, I have become reconciled/ right before God by the second Adam?

No, you inherited the nature not the sin!

How could that be?

A Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

What seed is that and where does that seed liveth and abideth forever?

Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21

Then please prove it by using scripture.

What is a copy and paste Faith?

There is some fantastic commentaries out there, as long as they line up with Gods written word..which the above that I posted does.

Most are regurgitating error as I have shown you.

Where were we dead without before we became Born Of The Spirit?

Yes, dead is dead!

We are Born Again in our spirit, my friend, not by reading the Bible, ..?

You were born again in the knowledge of Christ without which you cannot grow up in to the HEAD!

In Ephesians 4:15 Paul said, "But holding to truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, Christ." We need to grow up into the Head, Christ, in all things. Even in small matters such as getting our hair cut, combing our hair, and choosing a necktie, we need to do them in Christ.

I wonder if you are wise enough to see a constant theme in these passages?

Do you also think that the written word is Gods Living witness His Holy Spirit?

The written Word was inspired by His Holy Spirit

For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:21

Who backs up,Gods written word my friend and what do we need to be before we can have any chance of understanding Gods written word?

You have an odd way of seeing what is clearly written in Scripture!

Who has the Words of Eternal Life?
Where are those Words?

Why did Jesus have to die on that cross?

To reveal to the world the incurable nature and to declare God's Righteousness in putting the flesh to death.

The Apostle Paul in Galatians 5:24 writes, “And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.” Gal 5:24

Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

Our spirit? Maybe you attach certain things to this Word which is not found in God's Word? Maybe you think you have eternal life already? Or an eternal essence of some sort? The truth is far from this. What true believers have is a true understanding of God's Word which enlightens their minds and allows them to live His Word.

What does that mean even?

Much to learn Rita.

F2F